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Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Little G... - 5/24/2012 3:59:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Catholic Church excommunicates mother and doctors of a nine-year-old rape victim that had abortion – but not accused rapist

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/catholic-church-excommunicates-mother-and-doctors-of-a-nineyearold-rape-victim-that-had-abortion-ndash-but-not-accused-rapist-16163052.html

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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/24/2012 4:47:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		For once I have to agree with the Fargster. It is a disgusting story where rigid morality triumphs over any sense of humanity. However, even according to their own morality the decision doesn't seem to have been a given since the operation was a life saving one, and an extant human being also has a right to life just as the fetus does. The criminal actions of one (and a cardinal sin in the eyes of the faith) should not automatically consign a victim of said crime to an agonising death, which is in effect what the church seems to be saying by stating that no one has a right to "eliminate innocent life". Either way innocent life would have been eliminated. At least there was less suffering with the chosen option.

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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/24/2012 6:30:20 AM   
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Catholic Church excommunicates mother and doctors of a nine-year-old rape victim that had abortion – but not accused rapist

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/catholic-church-excommunicates-mother-and-doctors-of-a-nineyearold-rape-victim-that-had-abortion-ndash-but-not-accused-rapist-16163052.html


I think most of you are well aware of my views on these topics.

But here is the thing. Very few societies treat rape the same as murder. Very few.

So given the doctrine of the Catholic Church, where abortion is viewed as a "murder", I think it does follow "logically" that you will end up with this outcome.

I am not going to belabor the point of how absurd this outcome obviously is. But I do hope it gives people who are anti-abortion pause to think about what the real implications are of designating abortion to be the equivalent of murder.


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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/24/2012 6:45:26 AM   
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So given the doctrine of the Catholic Church, where abortion is viewed as a "murder", I think it does follow "logically" that you will end up with this outcome.
This is correct. The action taken is the only action compatible with Christian (and Jewish) doctrine. Rape is not a sin, and moreover has biblical sanction (Zechariah 14:1-2 and Deuteronomy 22:28-29 among many others).

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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/24/2012 8:43:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Most shocking is that the Catholic church still excommunicates anyone!?!?!?! This is the 15th century anymore, and they were not some weird herritics that denounced Jesus and embraced Satan. This is nothing more than pouring salt on the wounds of a family in crisis. I am so happy I left the church more than a decade ago.

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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/24/2012 10:31:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps if the church actually followed the bible, in all cases this would not be an issue.

But you can't claim to follow bible rules or rights, in some cases and not in others...Gee cause I thought the bible really looked down on divorce, but ti seems the church has no problem keeping the money, I'm sorry, keeping the believers in the church after they have gotten divorced

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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/24/2012 11:03:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		More to the point, if the Church actually followed the teachings of Christ and did more as an example of making appropriate moral decisions based on one's individual nature, experience and circumstances.

A sizeable majority of Christians are living proof that this is possible, so why not the Church?

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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/24/2012 12:13:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
For once I have to agree with the Fargster. It is a disgusting story where rigid morality triumphs over any sense of humanity.


There are plenty of things this can be called, I don't think morality is one of them

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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/24/2012 1:50:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		It bears mentioning at this point, that many of the major religions in the world are decidedly anti-woman. This is obviously not a Catholic only issue. So in addition to the murder/rape distinction, there is also the male/female gender issue and the disproportionate burdens that each face in many religions.

Consider this also:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-catholicchurch-nunsbre84n1eq-20120524,0,899081.story

from which I quote the following:

quote:

The Vatican last month accused the leading organization of U.S. nuns, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, of focusing too much on social-justice issues such as poverty and not enough on abortion, gay marriage and euthanasia.


There is something just so wrong about this. No matter what one's religious background.

The Vatican also specifically criticized the Leadership Conference of Women Religious for being “silent on the right to life”. Is this perhaps, because, when you are a nun focused on social-justice issues such as poverty, you understand all too well what the implications of anti-abortion advocacy are, and don't want any part of making poor women's lives any more difficult than they already are?

I'll take the opinion of the nuns anytime. I consider them on the front-lines of assistance to the poor. And their refusal to take on certain doctrine is absolutely related to what they have seen first hand, and the understanding that in some cases, the religious impositions are simply too much relative to the realities.

Religious leadership in many religions, is far removed from any sense of the realities of life. Which is all the more reason why religious doctrine of any religion should not govern our politics.



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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/24/2012 3:16:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with the catholic churches stance.

Why should they change their views, on say homosexuality for example.

It was only 50 years ago or so it was considered immoral by almost everyone, who's to say it won't go full circle again.


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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/25/2012 4:56:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: stellauk

More to the point, if the Church actually followed the teachings of Christ and did more as an example of making appropriate moral decisions based on one's individual nature, experience and circumstances.

A sizeable majority of Christians are living proof that this is possible, so why not the Church?

Mostly because the mother church is an authoritarian power structure and a means for collecting money from people who can't afford it first and a religious organisation second, third or fourth...

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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/25/2012 12:37:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Uh, there is a point that seems to be missed here.

The article says the victim was a NINE year old girl. I am trying to figure out HOW she got pregnant in the first place.

While I am against abortion in general, I do see a problem with the actions of the church.


By the way, in the eyes of the Catholic Church, the act of rape is a sin, as is any act of violence. However it is forgivable, if one seeks forgiveness.

I see a problem with excommunication in this case seems a bit extreme since murderers in the church have not had the same treatment.

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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/25/2012 12:53:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		How does the victim's age make any difference to Pope Adolph trying to exonerate the rapist and excommunicate the victim, mother and abortionist?

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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/25/2012 5:09:33 PM   
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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/25/2012 6:43:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stellauk
More to the point, if the Church actually followed the teachings of Christ and did more as an example of making appropriate moral decisions based on one's individual nature, experience and circumstances.

A sizeable majority of Christians are living proof that this is possible, so why not the Church?


I suspect you're talking about the Christians who largely ignore or are ignorant of what is according to the Bible God's dictation concerning morality. They end up implementing humanism likely justified by a quote such as:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Luke 6:31 NIV
Do to others as you would have them do to you.


Humanism is fundamentally different from the idea that morality consists of the commandments of a celestial dictator. The Catholic Church as an organization is a long term proponent of the latter and as such is stuck with some seriously harmful garbage.

That said how would they do this: "making appropriate moral decisions based on one's individual nature, experience and circumstances."

What experiences and circumstances do these virgins set apart from normal life have that would allow them to have a remotely reasonable understanding of sexuality, women, girls or rape?

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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/25/2012 7:21:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
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For once I have to agree with the Fargster. It is a disgusting story where rigid morality triumphs over any sense of humanity.

There are plenty of things this can be called, I don't think morality is one of them

In my post I was referring to a certain moral code as it relates to universal notions of right and wrong. That isn't to say it is a moral code I approve of. There are many different moral codes that conflict with each other and many that are objectionable.

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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/25/2012 7:37:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Catholic Church excommunicates mother and doctors of a nine-year-old rape victim that had abortion – but not accused rapist

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/catholic-church-excommunicates-mother-and-doctors-of-a-nineyearold-rape-victim-that-had-abortion-ndash-but-not-accused-rapist-16163052.html


I think most of you are well aware of my views on these topics.

But here is the thing. Very few societies treat rape the same as murder. Very few.

So given the doctrine of the Catholic Church, where abortion is viewed as a "murder", I think it does follow "logically" that you will end up with this outcome.

I am not going to belabor the point of how absurd this outcome obviously is. But I do hope it gives people who are anti-abortion pause to think about what the real implications are of designating abortion to be the equivalent of murder.


bravo, well said. i thought same, how logical this was for the church, despite how fucked up it is.

their dogma runs over their karma.


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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/25/2012 8:17:09 PM   
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Most shocking is that the Catholic church still excommunicates anyone!?!?!?!


It's a revival thing... It compliments alterboy rape nicely.

All I know is they as a _political_ organization are pushing me and many others further and further away with every declaration.

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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/25/2012 8:18:15 PM   
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if the Church actually followed the teachings of Christ


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RE: Scumbag Catholic Church. Loves Rapists, Hates Litt... - 5/26/2012 3:17:07 AM   
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Karmastic
their dogma runs over their karma.


Isn't that usually the case with organised/institutionalised religions?

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