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subrob1967 -> Democrat War On Women (5/24/2012 7:03:11 PM)

Wow, just wow...

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That is well above the 23 percent gap that Democrats claim exists between male and female workers nationwide. The figure is based on a 2010 U.S. Census Bureau report, and is technically accurate. However, as CNN’s Lisa Sylvester has reported, when factors such as area of employment, hours of work, and time in the workplace are taken into account, the gap shrinks to about 5 percent.

A significant “gender gap” exists in Feinstein’s office, where women also made about $21,000 less than men in 2011, but the percentage difference—41 percent—was even higher than Murray’s.

Boxer’s female staffers made about $5,000 less, a difference of 7.3 percent.

The Free Beacon used publicly available salary data from the transparency website Legistorm to calculate the figures, and considered only current full-time staff members who were employed for the entirety of fiscal year 2011.

The employee gender pay gap among Senate Democrats was not limited to Murray, Boxer, and Feinstein. Of the 50 members of the Senate Democratic caucus examined in the analysis, 37 senators paid their female staffers less than male staffers.

Senators elected in 2010—Joe Manchin, Chris Coons, and Richard Blumenthal—were not considered due to incomplete salary data.

Women working for Senate Democrats in 2011 pulled in an average salary of $60,877. Men made about $6,500 more.

While the gap is significant, it is slightly smaller than that of the White House, which pays men about $10,000, or 13 percent, more on average, according to a previous Free Beacon analysis.

The pay differential is quite striking in some cases, especially among leading Democrats. Sen. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.), who runs the Senate Democratic messaging operation, paid men $19,454 more on average, a 36 percent difference.

Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) paid men $13,063 more, a difference of 23 percent.

Other notable Senators whose “gender pay gap” was larger than 23 percent:

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.)—47.6 percent
Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D., N.M.)—40 percent
Sen. Jon Tester (D., Mont.)—34.2 percent
Sen. Ben Cardin (D., Md.)—31.5 percent
Sen. Tom Carper (D., Del.)—30.4 percent
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D., Minn.)–29.7 percent
Sen. Kent Conrad (D., N.D.)–29.2 percent
Sen. Bill Nelson (D., Fla.)—26.5 percent
Sen. Ron Wyden (D., Ore)—26.4 percent
Sen. Tom Harkin (D., Iowa)—23.2 percent

Lilly Ledbetter anyone? When will Holder prosecute these law breakers?




Musicmystery -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/24/2012 7:08:22 PM)

Fair and balanced question--how do Republican senators fare on the same issue?

Then let's address it across the board.




subrob1967 -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/24/2012 7:14:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Fair and balanced question--how do Republican senators fare on the same issue?

Then let's address it across the board.


When was the last time a progressive posed a fair and balanced topic? You want to search for the info, be my guest.




Musicmystery -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/24/2012 7:15:21 PM)

Ah. I thought you were interested in justice. My bad.




Lucylastic -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/24/2012 7:25:01 PM)

Can you imagine the screams of outrage if the Prez had announced congress and senate women were getting pay raises? SNORT
Thankyou Rob, I didnt know you gave a damn, do we have a champion for womens rights in you??
Brava




subrob1967 -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/24/2012 8:32:40 PM)

So as usual, attack the messenger instead of showing outrage at the offending parties... Typical Progressives.




Musicmystery -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/24/2012 8:45:12 PM)

Ooo. Irony.

I think the OP is a valid question. I'd like to see whether its apples to apples, first, and I'd like to see if this is standard practice among the Senate or just a silly partisan swing. Then, to the extent there's a problem, I'd like it fixed.

That doesn't appear to be your intention.




BamaD -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/24/2012 8:56:37 PM)

I am inclined to agree that we should know if it is a standard senate practice. However, I think the OP is making the point that when someone like Boxer is demanding that the government make everyone else give equal pay to women( and I do believe in equal pay for equal work) paying women who work for her less looks like she wants to make everyone else engage in what she decides is fair pay pratices.




Musicmystery -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/24/2012 9:02:31 PM)

But to then dodge the same question for Republican Senators simply repeats the irony.

The result? No score...just petty.

If there's a problem, let's look at it. If Republican Senators are doing this as well, it's a bullshit charge. If the attempt to dig at perceived hypocrisy has unwittingly unearthed a problem, let's delve in and fix it. If the problem is manufactured by comparing apples and oranges, rather than truly equal work at disparate rates, then that dishonesty should also be exposed.

That there's nothing here at all about Republican Senators suggests the answer.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/24/2012 9:09:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Wow, just wow...

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That is well above the 23 percent gap that Democrats claim exists between male and female workers nationwide. The figure is based on a 2010 U.S. Census Bureau report, and is technically accurate. However, as CNN’s Lisa Sylvester has reported, when factors such as area of employment, hours of work, and time in the workplace are taken into account, the gap shrinks to about 5 percent.

A significant “gender gap” exists in Feinstein’s office, where women also made about $21,000 less than men in 2011, but the percentage difference—41 percent—was even higher than Murray’s.

Boxer’s female staffers made about $5,000 less, a difference of 7.3 percent.

The Free Beacon used publicly available salary data from the transparency website Legistorm to calculate the figures, and considered only current full-time staff members who were employed for the entirety of fiscal year 2011.

The employee gender pay gap among Senate Democrats was not limited to Murray, Boxer, and Feinstein. Of the 50 members of the Senate Democratic caucus examined in the analysis, 37 senators paid their female staffers less than male staffers.

Senators elected in 2010—Joe Manchin, Chris Coons, and Richard Blumenthal—were not considered due to incomplete salary data.

Women working for Senate Democrats in 2011 pulled in an average salary of $60,877. Men made about $6,500 more.

While the gap is significant, it is slightly smaller than that of the White House, which pays men about $10,000, or 13 percent, more on average, according to a previous Free Beacon analysis.

The pay differential is quite striking in some cases, especially among leading Democrats. Sen. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.), who runs the Senate Democratic messaging operation, paid men $19,454 more on average, a 36 percent difference.

Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) paid men $13,063 more, a difference of 23 percent.

Other notable Senators whose “gender pay gap” was larger than 23 percent:

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.)—47.6 percent
Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D., N.M.)—40 percent
Sen. Jon Tester (D., Mont.)—34.2 percent
Sen. Ben Cardin (D., Md.)—31.5 percent
Sen. Tom Carper (D., Del.)—30.4 percent
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D., Minn.)–29.7 percent
Sen. Kent Conrad (D., N.D.)–29.2 percent
Sen. Bill Nelson (D., Fla.)—26.5 percent
Sen. Ron Wyden (D., Ore)—26.4 percent
Sen. Tom Harkin (D., Iowa)—23.2 percent

Lilly Ledbetter anyone? When will Holder prosecute these law breakers?


#1) A study done by "Savvy" magazine (a woman's magazine, now defunct) 18+ years ago showed that women, when given an opportunity.....don't ask for raises (men do), nor....more importantly, when they get promotions....they bring MEN up in the ranks behind them....not women.

#2) In most cases (anecdotal, I'll admit), women, when asked out to dinner wait for the man to pick up the check, yet when men are asked {by other men} out for dinner....they do their best to fight over the bill.

#3) When there is a scenario wherein which either sex has done a great job....men will go in and say "I've got 3 offers....care to beat them?" yet women sit there waiting for men to recognize their exceptionalism.

Ladies....men aren't keeping you down....your compadre's are. When you stand up and say (as a group)...."Uhhhhh....I'm worth this and when you're willing to pay X....I'll be back"...you'll get X (and more).

As an employer I can tell you...with NO hesitation....I'll hire a woman (for a comparable job over a man every day) at the same and MORE pay because....a woman will always try harder and do a BETTER job than a man.

But you have to stand up and demand more.

(It's that simple).

Dat be da fact jack.

In most cases (other than lifting really heavy shit) a woman is almost ALWAYS a better choice (and in my office....women get paid more than a man).

Stop doing all this bullshit about how women are downtrodden....it just fucking ain't true.

It just fucking isn't.




joether -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/24/2012 11:14:24 PM)

Its curious how Republicans have been trying to move the issues away from the view of what is most important to Americans right now: The Economic Health of the USA. We had Republicans create a huff over women's issues (and got owned for it), than it was over gay marriage being ban, before moving on to requiring President Obama to prove he's an American (while Mr. Romney doesnt being in the same 'boat' for status questions). Now, we are on this topic.

Seriously, are conservatives REALLY this ignorant on the economy? Employment vs Unemployment? Health Coverage and medical bankruptcies? Pay and Wages? The long term effect of student loans on the economy; not to mention likelyhood of repayment in a quick and timely manner?

I wonder what will be dreamed up for next week's 'B.S.' reason to ignore the economy at the GOP tent? Wouldn't it be nice to have a calendar, so we can simply ignore the petty and moronic crap the GOP throws out, because its members not only helped create the economic mess we find ourselves in, but avoid showing responsibility? Its not like the GOP can talk about science, education, health care between red and blue states (most blue states seem to beat out red states in all three areas). Maybe we can 'debate' in a discussion three weeks from now on whether black people can be President of the United States, and get a jump on THAT GOP topic two weeks ahead of their schedule (I think they jotted down that 'national discussion' for five weeks from now)?

Anyone else noticing all this petty bull dropping crap for the last few weeks that conservatives have been spewing?




Moonhead -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/25/2012 4:39:30 AM)

Anybody would think somebody was getting arsey about his party being criticised for its attitude towards women, and is trying to retaliate by making a general hiring policy look like it's a partisan thing...




mnottertail -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/25/2012 5:44:10 AM)

Amy Klobuchar from Minnesota is a woman.   Just pointing that out.




dcnovice -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/25/2012 5:52:45 AM)

FR

One point that wasn't really addressed in the article was whether women were making less for the same work. Or are they comparing, say, chiefs of staff to junior assistants?

ETA:

Another important question, for which I don't know the answer, is whether individual senators have complete discretion in setting their staff's salaries or if there's a Senate-wide pay structure.




SternSkipper -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/25/2012 6:07:00 AM)

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So as usual, attack the messenger instead of showing outrage at the offending parties... Typical Progressives.


If there was EVER a reason to shoot messengers, I would say you epitomize it. I can pretty much guarantee that if we go back through your long history of 10 Paragraphs Paste / 1 Sentence New Content ... who even knows how far back, we might come up with maybe one or two posts where the intent wasn't to get up the so-called "Dems" ass.
Rob, if you want a different perception, you should offer something different. Like even if it feels like someone is inserting a shishkabob skewer into your urethra (and come to think of it, a real male sub might even find that big incentive), try to write a ration of one in three "informative" posts. For a guy like you it would probably hurt like hell. But it would literally FORCE people to take you seriously. Which is TOTALLY not happening now.




SternSkipper -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/25/2012 6:15:54 AM)

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whether women were making less for the same work. Or are they comparing, say, chiefs of staff to junior assistants?


That's a good point. The other one I would be curious about, since in some cases the Congressional employees are paid a premium in the first place for conditions like working far from their original homes for instance, how that pay compares with the same job say, back here in New England?
I know a woman who works for one of my members of Congress, whom I knew in private life back say 20 years ago, who is useless as tits on a bull and she is being GROSSLY overpaid. So much so that last fall someone raised a question locally about whether her job was even justified.




subrob1967 -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/25/2012 6:45:05 AM)

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The Free Beacon used publicly available salary data from the transparency website Legistorm to calculate the figures, and considered only current full-time staff members who were employed for the entirety of fiscal year 2011.


Here ya go, http://www.legistorm.com/ You want to find out how my source got it's numbers be my guest.

joe, you kill me, really... Your side has been avoiding the real issues, like the economy since 2008, and especially now.

Other than one lady trying to make $20 posting a video about Obama, show me ONE topic on the economy, started by a liberal on page one, or the topic posted by Music on page two.

Music is the ONLY progressive who's started a discussion on the economy, so keep your holier than thou posting... Frankly it's ridiculous.




mnottertail -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/25/2012 6:56:13 AM)

Whatever his side is, hasn't been avoiding the economy at all, any number of us have pointed out loudly and constantly, that the republican controlled house has lorded over the most heinous and historic debt in this nations history, and want to borrow and spend even more. 




Arturas -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/25/2012 7:02:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

But to then dodge the same question for Republican Senators simply repeats the irony.

The result? No score...just petty.

If there's a problem, let's look at it. If Republican Senators are doing this as well, it's a bullshit charge. If the attempt to dig at perceived hypocrisy has unwittingly unearthed a problem, let's delve in and fix it. If the problem is manufactured by comparing apples and oranges, rather than truly equal work at disparate rates, then that dishonesty should also be exposed.

That there's nothing here at all about Republican Senators suggests the answer.


The progressive assumption is Republicans already are at war with women and underpay them so diverting this thread by asking for like data on Republicans is a thinly veiled diversion and off topic; Even if Republicans were to show a like tendency to underpay women this does not justify discussing that rather than the OP.

Nice diversion though. Well done.




Arturas -> RE: Democrat War On Women (5/25/2012 7:04:46 AM)

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that the republican controlled house has lorded over the most heinous and historic debt in this nations history, and want to borrow and spend even more.


You mean over the last two years and not the first two when the Democrates owned both houses? Interesting take on reality.




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