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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/28/2012 7:52:18 AM

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Nonmedical personnel make medical decisions here all the time, especially if you're a retiree. The meds my mom needs are "not in the formulary". They're available for purchase, at about a thousand dollars a month, but medicare won't pay, nor will her auto company retiree insurance.

There's a procedure in the VA for getting around this. What I did was accept the medication I didn't want, reported its side effects (which I looked up; I didn't actually take it), and asked for the medication I did want.

Your Mom's plan may have a similar provision.

Additionally, I saved thousands of dollars when my Husky had cancer by buying his meds from http://www.getcanadiandrugs.com/ They require a prescription, which I got from the vet and faxed to them. Other sites "require" a prescription with their "have prescription" checkbox.

That link doesn't work in Canada, but this redirected link, does, mua-ha!

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/28/2012 3:31:15 PM

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I am reminded of when my ex-wife and I became legal guardians of our granddaughter who was diagnosed with autism. We applied for a welfare program that helps with medical cost for children with special needs. We cared for out granddaughter from ago 9 months to 10 years old. A least once every 3 months we would get a letter, stating that our granddaughter did not sign up for the work program nor has shown any proof she had been looking for work and now they were going to cut her from the medical program if proof of her looking for work was not given to the case manager. When I took her to the Welfare and meet with a case manager, a new one each time,every, when I explained the situation I would get my rights read to me by the case manager and told I was running a scam. I repeated told the case manager look at the file, which had the date of birth. We would agrue for hours, the Supervisior would get into as well. I repeated told them to look at the file which was on the case manager desk. Finally someone open the file and saw the date of birth. Then the case manager would ask why am I wasting their time.....

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/28/2012 3:57:32 PM

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Pfft. Who cares? The vermin and the cause of all our miseries are Jews, single mothers, blacks, Eastern Europeans, the work-shy unemployed . . . Whatever. Just take your pick. So long as you never, *ever*, get to thinking that it's the rich fat fuckers at the top. It's *never* their fault. And if you ever do get to thinking that far: stop! Just look at the tits on the girl on Page 3 and guess which footballer she might be shagging!

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/28/2012 4:06:33 PM

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Here's another article...

Work for free and 'be of benefit' to a large multinational like Tesco

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 6:21:23 AM

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The fact that there hasn't been more of a fuss over that beggars belief. Quite apart from the fact that the taxpayer is funding the cheap bastards to employ staff for less than half of minimum wage, this is likely to be dissuading certain employers from advertising vacancies in the first place, if they know they can exploit the unemployed at no expense to themselves.

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 6:24:08 AM

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 9:56:15 AM

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Here's another article...

Work for free and 'be of benefit' to a large multinational like Tesco

I don't have a problem with 30 hours a week doing work "of benefit to the community" but working for free for a for-profit certainly does not fall under that definition.

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 10:43:02 AM

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I have a serious problem with a thirty hour week of benefiting the community. That much time distracts them from a real job search and contributes to the use and unfair practices of those in power. Many companies benefit from some government programs or guidelines that abuse those that are seeking to improve their lives. Some of these companies offered good jobs and benefits at one time and now because of government programs, they are getting cheap labor and don't have to provide benefits and these people are begging for those jobs because of the promises of both the government and employer that are using them. Job seekers need time to seek employment!

Not only would thirty hours, add the time of job seeking and all the bs of these types of situations... that many hours could lead to the destruction of family structure, especially in single parent homes. It could cause some serious emotional health issues in feeling defeated, lied to and frustrated in being able to do the right thing, hindered by people using your situation to keep you down actually, provide cheap labor and preventing you from actually getting somewhere real and positive, because of their program.

I watched UPS and the government hand holding... it is an ugly thing and I know many lives that were negatively effected. Thus... I refuse to use UPS, the government I am stuck with.

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 12:28:24 PM

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Have you had a proliferation of the use of the phrase 'hard working' your side of the pond? Over here, those on benefits are always contrasted with 'hard working' people. Nobody just does work here, anymore. If they do any work at all, it'll be *hard* work.

Me, I just do work. I don't do hard work, because I've discovered that this makes me knackered. I've never really learned how to enjoy being knackered, unfortunately.

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 12:40:51 PM

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Of course. And everyone lives really well on welfare, and food stamps too, while it's nose to the grindstone for the rest of us, earning money to pay taxes for some welfare queen's escalade...

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 12:46:01 PM

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Have you had a proliferation of the use of the phrase 'hard working' your side of the pond? Over here, those on benefits are always contrasted with 'hard working' people. Nobody just does work here, anymore. If they do any work at all, it'll be *hard* work.

Me, I just do work. I don't do hard work, because I've discovered that this makes me knackered. I've never really learned how to enjoy being knackered, unfortunately.

I'm not sure how to answer your question, as I only know my own experiences. When I directed the shelter, I saw a lot of 'attitude' about the clients. I may have had some of my own to start with, because I was amazed at who needed to be there. Some that donated for the cause, were often abused or homeless at some point in life and they would share that with me, but didn't want anyone to know. If they felt the need to hide a life changing experience, then they felt that they would be judged by it.

I know when I lost it all and I mean, I lost it all... career, volunteer work, income, savings, house, cars, health and one day... my children, that I was and am still judged. People think I made poor choices. They think I did something wrong. I know I worked around the clock. One of the things said most about me by employers was that I was the hardest worker they knew... when I was there. I was too sick to be consistent in being there every day.

Sometimes things happen to people you wouldn't expect them to happen to (Kind of like that, people get pregnant, but it won't happen to me bit) and yes, I think there is a lot of judgement and condemnation of those that have things happen to them. I think in part that it is fear that something could happen to them, not understanding those types of life issues and that if they look the other way, they don't have to be humane about it and find fault sometimes where there is no fault, because they might be expected to do something. Yet, that is my personal take on it and maybe my own attitudes! lol

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 12:53:26 PM

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I often worked 60 hour weeks, especially if you include all the years I went to night school, so would consider 30 hours a vacation. Of course, I've worked while on vacation too.

If you're looking for a FT (40 hr/wk) job, I see nothing wrong with working in the community for 30.

Think of all the communities that have had to cut essential services due to budget shortfalls - if a workfare program could replace some paid employees and allow firefighters to be hired back, I'd be all for this.

Being forced to work for a for-profit company is just plain exploitative though.

Study: Unemployed Spend Only 1% of Time Looking for Work

NEW YORK (MainStreet) — If you’re out of work, there’s no escaping the fact you have more time on your hands than the masses of employed Americans – probably more than you know what to do with.

That begs the question: What do you do with the extra time triggered by a layoff – especially in a toxic economic environment?

The National Bureau of Economic Research took a look at the issue in a white paper titled “Time Use During Recessions.” In it, researchers Mark Aguiar, Erik Hurst and Loukas Karabarbounis looked at business cycles from 2003 to last year, when U.S. unemployment rose to 9.6% from 5.8%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

They found that, in general, the time spent by the unemployed during a recession breaks down like this:

- Home production/maintenance: 30% to 40%
- Increased sleep: 30%
- Leisure activities: 30%

The NBER cites “leisure activities” as time spent watching television, socializing, exercising and hobbies. The study also includes time spent on medical and health care needs and going to church and other religious activities in this category.

The paper breaks down the numbers a bit as well, finding that 13% of “forgone work hours” are spent on housekeeping (cooking, cleaning and laundry), while 8% is spent on shopping and 6% on child care. Another 5% is spent on education, mainly for career advancement, while 5% is spent on the person’s “own medical care.”

Somewhat surprisingly, the study finds that only 1% of an unemployed person’s time is spent looking for work. “However, this represents a fairly large percentage increase given how little time unemployed workers allocate to job search,” the paper states.

The study is a rare glimpse inside the day of an unemployed American. The main takeaway seems to be this: People who find themselves out of work focus way more time on leisure activities than they do on looking for a job.

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 1:20:42 PM

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I often worked 60 hour weeks, especially if you include all the years I went to night school, so would consider 30 hours a vacation. Of course, I've worked while on vacation too.

If you're looking for a FT (40 hr/wk) job, I see nothing wrong with working in the community for 30.

Do you see anything wrong with being paid less than half of minimum wage for that?

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 2:09:01 PM

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Really? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought benefits were 50% of the salary you were making - how does this come to half of minimum wage for 30 hours of work?

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 4:08:43 PM

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I often worked 60 hour weeks, especially if you include all the years I went to night school, so would consider 30 hours a vacation. Of course, I've worked while on vacation too.

If you're looking for a FT (40 hr/wk) job, I see nothing wrong with working in the community for 30.

I read a while ago that the average Brazilian rainforest tribesman or woman is used to working just 16 hours a week. However, I think all of us in advanced technological societies accept that it takes many more hours of hard work to get the mod-cons that make our lives easier.

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 5:33:29 PM

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I forget how long we have to work just to pay our taxes...none of that for those hunter gatherers!

Remember the tales of the 30's and all those government projects that kept people doing things? I can see some kind of scheme to train people to do something useful, or let them use skills they had already.

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 6:09:48 PM

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I think that the inevitable course is for people on benefits to be concentrated into work camps. These camps could be called . . . well, that doesn't matter right now . . . but, anyway, it would stop them being a drain on society, living in houses that cost a packet, as they do, and for which hard-working people have to work hard, long, hard and workfully hardful, lives, in a hard way, to keep, hardly.

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 6:12:38 PM

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Brilliant!

I suppose 'gulag' is already taken...?

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 6:29:47 PM

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dont tempt the bastards!!!!

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RE: "The disabled are mainly parasites and down an... - 5/29/2012 9:44:43 PM

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I think that the inevitable course is for people on benefits to be concentrated into work camps. These camps could be called . Special Enterprise Zones. . well, that doesn't matter right now . . . but, anyway, it would stop them being a drain on society, living in houses that cost a packet, as they do, and for which hard-working people have to work hard, long, hard and workfully hardful, lives, in a hard way, to keep, hardly.

It's already in place - The Welfare Reform Act.

Housing Benefit caps will prevent people on benefits from being able to afford to live in London, so they will be forced to relocate to these special zones in places such as Bolton, Burnley, Preston and Wigan.

Where I live in London is a district called Nine Elms which they have handed over to property developers for development over the next ten years. Wandsworth Council have received £350 million from these property developers for 'infrastructure'. This is the area where in 2017 the new US Embassy and Consulate will be open.

They plan to make Nine Elms the most densely populated area of London.

Lambeth Council want 40% of the property development to be to be earmarked for 'affordable housing' but Wandsworth Council want social housing to be reduced to less than 15% in their borough.

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