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Musicmystery -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (5/29/2012 11:51:49 AM)

Wow. Are you channeling Real One?

IF you bothered to watch the video in the OP, you'd see that we're not talking about the same thing here.

IF you bothered to pay attention, you'd note my repeated take on Obama as Bush-Light. There's little difference between them except health care.

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As would-be president Mitt Romney tells it: “I will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno.”


How the fuck is he gonna do that? Nixon's secret plan to end the war?

It will take ALL FOUR of these:

1) cutting defense
2) adjusting SS and Medicaid/Medicare
3) cutting spending
4) raising taxes.

Look at any responsible independent analysis. Anything less is pushing an agenda, and will NOT get us out of debt. Nor will the Republican favorite, "We're just gonna grow out of it." No, we're not.

IF you bothered to look at the video in the OP, you'd see that Maher argues that "the left" is certainly NOT happy with Obama. IF you bothered to look, you'd see that it's about the "right"'s knee-jerk reaction----and here you are, right on cue-----ignoring that nobody on the left is getting what we want.

Maybe if you posted the pictures bigger?

And the spin is mutual. Bush begged for that stimulus. Obama passed it. That's a difference?

Get a clue.




FirmhandKY -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (5/29/2012 1:17:37 PM)

Talk about not paying attention ... [8|]

Firm




Musicmystery -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (5/29/2012 1:23:20 PM)

If you want to have discussions, offer responses, not dodges.




subrob1967 -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (5/29/2012 2:09:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

First link says NOTHING about the economy.
quote:

Crossroads Generation, a new super PAC formed with the help of a handful of established GOP groups, is tapping into the economic frustrations of under-30 voters facing dim job prospects, crippling student loans or the prospect of having to move back home with their parents.

Starting Monday, the PAC is launching a $50,000 social media ad campaign targeting younger voters in eight swing states, including Ohio and Virginia. Their ultimate goal: woo younger Americans to the Republican side, including some who supported Obama in 2008.


Second link says "Obama bad" and NOTHING about how they're going to fix it.
quote:

CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Mitt Romney on Wednesday issued a withering dissection of President Obama’s speech at the Democratic National Convention in Denver four years ago, delivering a point-by-point rebuttal of what he said were his opponent’s unfulfilled promises to revive the economy.

Standing in the shadow of Bank of America Stadium, where Mr. Obama will accept his party’s nomination in September, Mr. Romney said that “on the measures the president himself indicated would determine whether we’re making progress or not, he has failed.”
Now you want actual numbers? Keep changing those goalposts Bill, deflect, deflect, deflect.

Third link "Romney pledged to repeal Obama’s federal health care law and the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act." That's it.
quote:

CHESTER TOWNSHIP – During a campaign stop in Delaware County on Monday, Republican Mitt Romney laid out reasons why he believes be would do a better job than President Barack Obama.

The former Massachusetts governor – and presumptive GOP nominee for president – said Obama has been “anti-job, anti-investment and anti-growth,” during his term in the White House.
Gee, not one word about abortions, gay marriage, or women

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Fourth link, Precisely the same as the second.
Different venue, therefore another discussion of the economy, and not gay marriage... Same with the last three links, all different campaign stops.

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Fifth link Ditto
Sixth link. Same old same old except this time, Romney is claiming that he "Feels the pain of the middle class" [sm=rofl.gif]

In all seriousness, did you read this crap before you posted it?


So, what we have is the Republicans are saying "Obama bad, we good" and claiming they'll kill health care reform and deregulate Wall Street just like their handlers told them to.

As for a national Republican figure focusing on something besides the economy, How about the chairman of the RNC? Is that national enough for ya?

http://www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/rnc-chairman-candidate-reince-priebus-expresses-pro-life-positions-sba-interview


Again, you wanted proof Romney was campaigning on the economy, and NOT on social issues, I proved it, now man up and admit you were wrong.

I never claimed Romney provided his plans, that's your fallacy.




SternSkipper -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (5/29/2012 2:45:45 PM)

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Lying with statistics for partisan purposes:


It was Bush that cratered the US Economy PERIOD.

Show all the charts you want have all the "aha" moments it still all goes back to a tent in Crawford in 01 with a bunch CEOs and a Bunch of Wealthy NeoCons getting the word that would be able to do snakeoil economics beyond their wildest dreams. Eventually the bill arrived ... and you dining buddies were STIFFS.




Musicmystery -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (5/29/2012 2:54:02 PM)

We were already ON the path out of debt and spending.

Then Bush cut taxes instead of paying down the debt--something Greenspan warned was reckless and irresponsible.

....and then he jacked up spending on top of it, borrowing to cover the new deficits.

Fiscal responsibility? "Reagen proved deficits don't matter." ~Dick Cheney.

Except for Clinton, it's been downhill ever since the Reagan economic fantasy.




mnottertail -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (5/29/2012 2:57:58 PM)

And what they don't realize and wont admit is that St Wrinklemeat damn near swallered his cordovan shoe polish while dressing his hair, when confronted with the deficit balooning and the tax reductions not working as theorized, and spent the rest of his 6 years in office hunting up  'Revenue Enhancements'.




FirmhandKY -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (5/29/2012 3:40:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

If you want to have discussions, offer responses, not dodges.

i was having a discussion, and giving examples. You just don't get the expected "amen" corner praise that you think you deserve.

You started the thread with an example of partisan lying about facts. Admittedly, you later owned up to that, but said the purpose was in order to get everyone ("Republicans") to stop misleading the public.

Now you wish to have the discussion about what lying bastards they are.

From my point of view - while there is certainly shading to some degree on all sides - it is the statists who have been, and continue to lie and mislead people about the economy.

My example (in which you belittled) and my point doesn't exactly meld well with your perceived and biased point of view. Therefore, you only interest is in discounting it, insulting me continuously and attempting to deflect from the beam in your own eye.

You are wanting to "have a discussion"? What you are "wanting" is to display your erudite intelligence, penetrating insight, and have everyone drop to their feet in praise of your lightness of being.

Sorry. Not gonna happen. Until you can come off your sanctimonious attitude, the only "discussion" you are going to have is with like-minded ideologically straitjacketed partisans.

Firm




Musicmystery -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (5/29/2012 7:15:52 PM)

Nope. I'm sharing Maher's point that while ranting about the "leftist" policies of Obama, the right is missing that he's Bush-Light.

The left isn't getting what they wanted, except health care.

Imagine whatever you like. That's the thread.




SternSkipper -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (5/31/2012 11:23:42 PM)

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You do know the DHS is new under Bush, and employs 180,000 people, right?


Absolutely ... Did create an ENORMOUS Bureaucracy with the stroke of a pen.

Thanks for being honest and admitting that.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (5/31/2012 11:31:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Bill Maher laments the status quo under Obama and wonders what the right is screaming about.

[image]http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/6/Slowest_spending_growth_in_decades.jpeg[/image]

The "left" certainty didn't get what it wanted--in fact, we got mainly what the right wanted.

Republicans have no ideas. Actually, neither do Democrats, leaving, as Maher proposes:
"Elect us--we're lame, but the other guys are nuts."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax15XRL1URQ&sns=fb

I have to confess--that largely sums up my own feelings.



OMG, I'm laughing my ass off here... This is so so so true. Thanks for sharing.




Hillwilliam -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (6/1/2012 3:58:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

First link says NOTHING about the economy.
quote:

Crossroads Generation, a new super PAC formed with the help of a handful of established GOP groups, is tapping into the economic frustrations of under-30 voters facing dim job prospects, crippling student loans or the prospect of having to move back home with their parents.

Starting Monday, the PAC is launching a $50,000 social media ad campaign targeting younger voters in eight swing states, including Ohio and Virginia. Their ultimate goal: woo younger Americans to the Republican side, including some who supported Obama in 2008.


Second link says "Obama bad" and NOTHING about how they're going to fix it.
quote:

CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Mitt Romney on Wednesday issued a withering dissection of President Obama’s speech at the Democratic National Convention in Denver four years ago, delivering a point-by-point rebuttal of what he said were his opponent’s unfulfilled promises to revive the economy.

Standing in the shadow of Bank of America Stadium, where Mr. Obama will accept his party’s nomination in September, Mr. Romney said that “on the measures the president himself indicated would determine whether we’re making progress or not, he has failed.”
Now you want actual numbers? Keep changing those goalposts Bill, deflect, deflect, deflect.

Third link "Romney pledged to repeal Obama’s federal health care law and the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act." That's it.
quote:

CHESTER TOWNSHIP – During a campaign stop in Delaware County on Monday, Republican Mitt Romney laid out reasons why he believes be would do a better job than President Barack Obama.

The former Massachusetts governor – and presumptive GOP nominee for president – said Obama has been “anti-job, anti-investment and anti-growth,” during his term in the White House.
Gee, not one word about abortions, gay marriage, or women

quote:

Fourth link, Precisely the same as the second.
Different venue, therefore another discussion of the economy, and not gay marriage... Same with the last three links, all different campaign stops.

quote:

Fifth link Ditto
Sixth link. Same old same old except this time, Romney is claiming that he "Feels the pain of the middle class" [sm=rofl.gif]

In all seriousness, did you read this crap before you posted it?


So, what we have is the Republicans are saying "Obama bad, we good" and claiming they'll kill health care reform and deregulate Wall Street just like their handlers told them to.

As for a national Republican figure focusing on something besides the economy, How about the chairman of the RNC? Is that national enough for ya?

http://www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/rnc-chairman-candidate-reince-priebus-expresses-pro-life-positions-sba-interview


Again, you wanted proof Romney was campaigning on the economy, and NOT on social issues, I proved it, now man up and admit you were wrong.

I never claimed Romney provided his plans, that's your fallacy.

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Go back and read post 26 again. I said "Show us where the Right is pushing the economy more than abortion, birth control and gay marriage. "

I didnt mention Romney. Who is moving goal posts?[:D]





subrob1967 -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (6/1/2012 7:48:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


Go back and read post 26 again. I said "Show us where the Right is pushing the economy more than abortion, birth control and gay marriage. "

I didnt mention Romney. Who is moving goal posts?[:D]



"We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan

Is this not the title of the thread?
Isn't Romney the GOP Presidential nominee?

Sorry Bill, I didn't move the goal posts,I addressed what the GOP Presidential candidate was campaigning on, and it ain't the bullshit war on women. What GOP state legislatures do has no bearing on this thread, and was thrown out there to distract people from the real issue of the campaign...

To quote James Carville, "It's the economy, stupid!"

Romney knows it, Obama knows it and is trying to avoid it, and now you know it too.




Musicmystery -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (6/1/2012 8:20:27 AM)

Now all Romney needs is a plan.

Damn details.




Hillwilliam -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (6/1/2012 8:44:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


Go back and read post 26 again. I said "Show us where the Right is pushing the economy more than abortion, birth control and gay marriage. "

I didnt mention Romney. Who is moving goal posts?[:D]



"We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan

Is this not the title of the thread?
Isn't Romney the GOP Presidential nominee?

Sorry Bill, I didn't move the goal posts,I addressed what the GOP Presidential candidate was campaigning on, and it ain't the bullshit war on women. What GOP state legislatures do has no bearing on this thread, and was thrown out there to distract people from the real issue of the campaign...

To quote James Carville, "It's the economy, stupid!"

Romney knows it, Obama knows it and is trying to avoid it, and now you know it too.


I've been saying it for a year but only 2 GOP candidates have mentioned it in any depth.

Let me explain slowly what "Running based on the economy" means.

It does NOT mean saying "the economy is bad, vote for me." which is what Mitt is doing.

Only Ron Paul (who I voted for in the primary) and Herman Cain (who I supported early on before he got wierd on us) have run on the economy.

Running on the economy has 2 parts.

1. Identify the problem. Everyone has done that.

2. Explain their plan to fix it. Only Paul and Cain had a plan. (maybe not so good but at least they had a damn plan)

Everyone else mentioned some vague tax breaks or went Morality on us.

Romney's latest statement from this morning is "I give Obama an F in everything".
Know what he didn't do? he didn't say fuckall about "Here is what I'll do different" except to say he'll give a small tax break to employers who hire someone.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57444955/romney-gives-obama-an-f-across-the-board/?tag=re1.channel

I'm a business owner. A $2000 tax break isn't going to convince me to hire someone.

Remember the old joke told by conservatives early in the primaries.

A conservative, a moderate, a liberal and a mormon walk into a bar. The barkeep says "What'll ya have Mr romney?""




subrob1967 -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (6/1/2012 8:51:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


Go back and read post 26 again. I said "Show us where the Right is pushing the economy more than abortion, birth control and gay marriage. "

I didnt mention Romney. Who is moving goal posts?[:D]



"We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan

Is this not the title of the thread?
Isn't Romney the GOP Presidential nominee?

Sorry Bill, I didn't move the goal posts,I addressed what the GOP Presidential candidate was campaigning on, and it ain't the bullshit war on women. What GOP state legislatures do has no bearing on this thread, and was thrown out there to distract people from the real issue of the campaign...

To quote James Carville, "It's the economy, stupid!"

Romney knows it, Obama knows it and is trying to avoid it, and now you know it too.


I've been saying it for a year but only 2 GOP candidates have mentioned it in any depth.

Let me explain slowly what "Running based on the economy" means.

It does NOT mean saying "the economy is bad, vote for me." which is what Mitt is doing.

Only Ron Paul (who I voted for in the primary) and Herman Cain (who I supported early on before he got wierd on us) have run on the economy.

Running on the economy has 2 parts.

1. Identify the problem. Everyone has done that.

2. Explain their plan to fix it. Only Paul and Cain had a plan. (maybe not so good but at least they had a damn plan)

Everyone else mentioned some vague tax breaks or went Morality on us.

Romney's latest statement from this morning is "I give Obama an F in everything".
Know what he didn't do? he didn't say fuckall about "Here is what I'll do different" except to say he'll give a small tax break to employers who hire someone.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57444955/romney-gives-obama-an-f-across-the-board/?tag=re1.channel

I'm a business owner. A $2000 tax break isn't going to convince me to hire someone.

Remember the old joke told by conservatives early in the primaries.

A conservative, a moderate, a liberal and a mormon walk into a bar. The barkeep says "What'll ya have Mr romney?""


I guess you missed this from 9/6/2011

Romney's plan to fix the economy




Musicmystery -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (6/1/2012 9:04:03 AM)

"Mitt Romney unveiled his plan to fix the economy - a mix of tax and spending cuts."

That's not a plan--that's fantasy he's selling to his base.





Hillwilliam -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (6/1/2012 9:07:14 AM)

Ya think he still has any of those 9 months later given his past propensity for flip flopping?

I also doubt he has the balls to sanction China. (that was displayed on his board)




Musicmystery -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (6/1/2012 9:25:11 AM)

That's his plan? Sanction our third largest trading partner?

Brilliant. Jesus fucking Christ.




SternSkipper -> RE: "We're lame, but the other guys are nuts" campaign slogan (6/1/2012 10:22:58 AM)

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Isn't Romney the GOP Presidential nominee?


Yeah... he's the side that's NUTS... and I mean SERIOUSLY NUTS

As is ANY campaign that's letting a PAC put out shit like this:


[image]local://upfiles/18637/1E003BE7D3E6460889F1C29EB68C4D52.jpg[/image]




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