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RE: Verizon To Lay Off 1,700 Workers After Paying CEO $... - 6/12/2012 5:39:58 AM   
Sanity


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I tried to help you out gramps, youll just never understand todays youth and their newfangled gadgets

Go on believing that theyre only useful on the trading floor. Go on, angrily lashing out at those who use them in ways you cant begin to understand

Its amazing the way some elderly people are fully capable of embracing new technology while some old people fear it, may even try to cast the demons out of it


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Was that a copy/paste from the advert that talked you out of your $500?

Sure sounds like it.

The fact that you admit to it being a 'necessity' would be the giveaway there. Suckers always claim that it was a 'sure thing,' or a 'necessity.'

The previous poster cogently laid out what features he actually used, explaining their utility to him, whereas you just ran down a list of available features, another copy/paste.

Your posting history indicates that you would be less than capable of availing yourself of even half the features listed.

Even the previous poster did not claim it to be a 'necessity,' merely that he found it useful and worth the money, to him. My brother who has traveled for 25 years, as an auditor, declined the offer. Two different people, different choices. Neither of them doing copy/paste of an advert to explain it.

PS

You didn't even list a GPS in your long list of features. Boy, you got gypped. But I noticed that the cell cam and voice recording were first of what you listed. Just can't get enough of yourself, huh? Good thing you can record yourself for playback. Definitely a necessity there, no question.









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RE: Verizon To Lay Off 1,700 Workers After Paying CEO $... - 6/12/2012 3:48:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Irony is leftists using the Internet to bemoan private Internet providers... such as Verizon

You have a little slice of heaven in North Korea you know... instead of trying to change everyone else to your way of thinking why not just move to where your way of thinking is king

Obama left his heart in Kenya you know... instead of trying to fundamentally transform America into his own personal playground why doesn't he just move to where his heart is?


And here is a hissy fit from the right

Nah, Sanity's just nipple tweaking/twisting.

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RE: Verizon To Lay Off 1,700 Workers After Paying CEO $... - 6/18/2012 7:17:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

America’s largest wireless service provider plans to cut 1,700 jobs by offering its technicians and call center employees buyouts. Verizon Communications announced last week that it would reduce its nationwide workforce by 1 percent, and if enough workers don’t accept the buyouts, it will resort to involuntary layoffs.

Verizon paid chief executive Lowell C. McAdam more than $22.5 million in 2011, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of executive compensation. The company has paid its top five executives more than $350 million in the last five years, according to the Communications Workers of America, the union that deals most directly with Verizon:



More than half of McAdam’s compensation package came from “Performance Awards,” according to the WSJ analysis. In 2011, the company’s shareholders saw an 18.8 percent increase in the value of their returns. Workers, however, have not shared in those gains. Verizon eliminated 26,000 jobs over a two-year period in 2008 and 2009 — including 16,000 jobs in 2009 alone — and laid off roughly 13,000 more in 2010.

At the same time, Verizon has demanded sizable concessions from workers in its negotiations with unions, asking for the elimination of the company’s pension plan, increases in health care premiums, and extra leeway to outsource jobs, according to a release from the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/04/494469/verizon-layoff-ceo-pay/


Ya know, I used to think Tom Cruise wasn't worth 20 million bucks a picture (having had an interest in becoming an actor a thousand years ago) and then I realized....he actually put the time into making that happen (for him)...and I didn't.

A CEO (often) makes decisions for thousands of people (I'm one....but I make decisions for dozens), and none of those people (when we lose money) ever come to my office and say "Hey Boss....we just lost X....and 'd like to turn over my pay check because....I'm in...all the way".

That doesn't happen.

EVER.

So....if a CEO makes 50K or 4,500K a year....I support that guy or girl....because his or her head is on the chopping line.

Wanna bitch? Step up. Put everything you have on the line.

(And by the way....unless it's everything you own....shut the fuck up).



unless u actually have a profit sharing plan with said employees u shut ur own "The fuck up".
no sane person is going to invest in ur little smarmy company unless they intend to get something back other than the heady honor of working for a man who has little regard for his workers. And with ur attitude the ones who would work for u would only do so long enough to find out what an ass u are and ether rob u blind, make substandard products or both. And u would deserve it ....IMO.

And for that damn matter most of the CEOs that u love so much get paid no matter if the company does well or falls flat on its face as part of their "Golden Parachute" compesation package. For the second time in a week, go find out how Big coporations compensate their CEO's.




Well "Sir", from a guy who hasn't taken a salary for over 3 and a half years (so that my employees could continue to have jobs and we could keep our firm alive, waiting for the turn in the economy...because I actually believe in our chances, and we'll finally, thanks to a lot of great effort by everyone in our various companies, shortly be profitable for the first time in nearly 3 years), and for firms that are roughly 37 years old, pays 100% of health care....I'd submit that I'm doing fairly well for my 9 people and putting them first. (Quite the concept eh, for a dance on your grave, evil sob CEO?).

401K's? LOL....how's yours? Down 60% or more?.....(I wonder if you can eat that). I know my staff likes having a J.O.B. that pays well while their friends are in the unemployment line.

As to "all the CEO's that I love so much", I could give a flying fuck about them...or for that matter, their employees.

If they can stay profitable or borrow enough to stay in the game, more power to them. If their shareholders pay them too much, that only shows their ignorance or sheepishness, hardly my lack of understanding.

We've never had a layoff, nor have we ever cut hours in 3 recessions, this one included. In fact, in this one, the worst one in 70 some years I've read, we're hiring.

(And "Sir", before you embarrass yourself and say something remarkably stupid like "Hey DUMBASS, read a book once in a while, the big depression was in 1929....that'd make it almost 83 years"......the stock market fell in late 1929, the economy didn't start to falter until mid to late 1931 and it didn't hit the high point (also in 1931) until late 1938", which, according to a reasonable persons math would be "yo some years...").

But I do appreciate your comments as well as your complete ignorance as to how business works.

So long as there are people like you....I and multiple other CEO's will not only always have a job...we'll always have someone thoroughly inarticulate and absolutely pleasurable to fire :) )

Feel free to check in on occasion if you'd like some lessons in business basics....I'm here any time you have a question (and based on your comments, you either need to find a good job and stay true to it for a looooong time, or.....ask a LOT of questions....and then do what most opinionated people don't do: Listen to the answers).

(Forgot to mention one quick thing....just checked out your profile...couple of spelling and grammar errors. Not a really big issue, they just make you look childish. They don't quite rise to the level of ignorance...not quite).

< Message edited by LookieNoNookie -- 6/18/2012 7:50:02 PM >

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RE: Verizon To Lay Off 1,700 Workers After Paying CEO $... - 6/19/2012 8:38:36 AM   
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Say there Lookie, what do you think of the health care debate from the CEO point of view?

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RE: Verizon To Lay Off 1,700 Workers After Paying CEO $... - 6/19/2012 6:01:54 PM   
LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: outhere69

Say there Lookie, what do you think of the health care debate from the CEO point of view?


Great question. Not sure if my opinion fits with other business owners but, in previous posts, years back, I've commented on this very thing, and with exception for comma's and apostrophe's, I'm guessing it stands right up there word for word with what I've said years ago.

I don't know enough about it to know if it's financially a good idea...I'm not as smart as I'd prefer, but I do believe that we should, of all countries in the industrialized world, be capable of providing for our people as to some kind of universal health care and...as a business person, I'm in favor.

As a small business person, I also know that it'll actually benefit me financially. As a small business person with certain products that will likely take me over the threshold of "small business" within the next 3 - 5 years, it'll end up costing me far more than health care costs me today on a percentage basis.

But here's the deal: Large corporations are at an advantage in this gig...they can self insure...they have the size and stature to be able to run their own health care (most of which run it with employees paying 30 - 40% of the monthly fee...my firm pays 100% and I prefer it that way)...small guys like myself don't have that luxury so, a national system puts everyone on equal footing.

Which, by the way, is not why I'm in favor of a national solution.

I like a national solution for the very same reasons why 30 years ago I opted to pay for my employees health care bills 100%, even when at that time, fewer than 45% of all company's did so.

Because I prefer (and preferred) to have employees that are healthy....that go to see doctors when their sick (not when they're dying).

As to whether or not Obama's plan is the right one...I can only admit that I'm not smart enough to understand all the intricacies, and....with reports of Canadian citizens waiting for months and months (some reports say these are false stories) for major surgeries, I wonder if we're on the right track. I hope we are.

I also know that here, those with means can hire (or pay for) better insurance (on top of whatever is deemed to be a national plan) so in all cases, the wealthy are always going to do better (whether it's cars, houses or health care), but I just think that, whether it should be a "right" as some would have you believe, or a moral imperative as others may insist....I just think we can do better, and regardless of the cost...it just seems right to me.

(Someone please come take away my Republican card......ASAP!!!!).

(I suspect my viewpoint may not be "all" CEO's viewpoints).

< Message edited by LookieNoNookie -- 6/19/2012 6:50:35 PM >

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RE: Verizon To Lay Off 1,700 Workers After Paying CEO $... - 6/25/2012 11:57:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

America’s largest wireless service provider plans to cut 1,700 jobs by offering its technicians and call center employees buyouts. Verizon Communications announced last week that it would reduce its nationwide workforce by 1 percent, and if enough workers don’t accept the buyouts, it will resort to involuntary layoffs.

Verizon paid chief executive Lowell C. McAdam more than $22.5 million in 2011, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of executive compensation. The company has paid its top five executives more than $350 million in the last five years, according to the Communications Workers of America, the union that deals most directly with Verizon:



More than half of McAdam’s compensation package came from “Performance Awards,” according to the WSJ analysis. In 2011, the company’s shareholders saw an 18.8 percent increase in the value of their returns. Workers, however, have not shared in those gains. Verizon eliminated 26,000 jobs over a two-year period in 2008 and 2009 — including 16,000 jobs in 2009 alone — and laid off roughly 13,000 more in 2010.

At the same time, Verizon has demanded sizable concessions from workers in its negotiations with unions, asking for the elimination of the company’s pension plan, increases in health care premiums, and extra leeway to outsource jobs, according to a release from the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/04/494469/verizon-layoff-ceo-pay/


Ya know, I used to think Tom Cruise wasn't worth 20 million bucks a picture (having had an interest in becoming an actor a thousand years ago) and then I realized....he actually put the time into making that happen (for him)...and I didn't.

A CEO (often) makes decisions for thousands of people (I'm one....but I make decisions for dozens), and none of those people (when we lose money) ever come to my office and say "Hey Boss....we just lost X....and 'd like to turn over my pay check because....I'm in...all the way".

That doesn't happen.

EVER.

So....if a CEO makes 50K or 4,500K a year....I support that guy or girl....because his or her head is on the chopping line.

Wanna bitch? Step up. Put everything you have on the line.

(And by the way....unless it's everything you own....shut the fuck up).



unless u actually have a profit sharing plan with said employees u shut ur own "The fuck up".
no sane person is going to invest in ur little smarmy company unless they intend to get something back other than the heady honor of working for a man who has little regard for his workers. And with ur attitude the ones who would work for u would only do so long enough to find out what an ass u are and ether rob u blind, make substandard products or both. And u would deserve it ....IMO.

And for that damn matter most of the CEOs that u love so much get paid no matter if the company does well or falls flat on its face as part of their "Golden Parachute" compesation package. For the second time in a week, go find out how Big coporations compensate their CEO's.




Well "Sir", from a guy who hasn't taken a salary for over 3 and a half years (so that my employees could continue to have jobs and we could keep our firm alive, waiting for the turn in the economy...because I actually believe in our chances, and we'll finally, thanks to a lot of great effort by everyone in our various companies, shortly be profitable for the first time in nearly 3 years), and for firms that are roughly 37 years old, pays 100% of health care....I'd submit that I'm doing fairly well for my 9 people and putting them first. (Quite the concept eh, for a dance on your grave, evil sob CEO?).

401K's? LOL....how's yours? Down 60% or more?.....(I wonder if you can eat that). I know my staff likes having a J.O.B. that pays well while their friends are in the unemployment line.

As to "all the CEO's that I love so much", I could give a flying fuck about them...or for that matter, their employees.

If they can stay profitable or borrow enough to stay in the game, more power to them. If their shareholders pay them too much, that only shows their ignorance or sheepishness, hardly my lack of understanding.

We've never had a layoff, nor have we ever cut hours in 3 recessions, this one included. In fact, in this one, the worst one in 70 some years I've read, we're hiring.

(And "Sir", before you embarrass yourself and say something remarkably stupid like "Hey DUMBASS, read a book once in a while, the big depression was in 1929....that'd make it almost 83 years"......the stock market fell in late 1929, the economy didn't start to falter until mid to late 1931 and it didn't hit the high point (also in 1931) until late 1938", which, according to a reasonable persons math would be "yo some years...").

But I do appreciate your comments as well as your complete ignorance as to how business works.

So long as there are people like you....I and multiple other CEO's will not only always have a job...we'll always have someone thoroughly inarticulate and absolutely pleasurable to fire :) )

Feel free to check in on occasion if you'd like some lessons in business basics....I'm here any time you have a question (and based on your comments, you either need to find a good job and stay true to it for a looooong time, or.....ask a LOT of questions....and then do what most opinionated people don't do: Listen to the answers).

(Forgot to mention one quick thing....just checked out your profile...couple of spelling and grammar errors. Not a really big issue, they just make you look childish. They don't quite rise to the level of ignorance...not quite).




....well congrats,.... in other words u had a inflated salary that u could live off that u could have savings set aside for this long without having to take a salary now. good for u.... for u are in the minority of owners who give a little shit about ur employees and I suspect the only reason u do is its still ur own company and/or u didnt have an exit strategy to sell it off if things did get worse...

still u get the sound of one hand clapping for sticking it out..... good boi....continued success to u and tha crew.

u still need to have a clue about what the big boyz get for compensation and that they, unlike u dont need to care about the nameless & faceless people whos lives are changed with a stroke of a pen beyond what the Board & major stockholders think, and the short-term profits they can stuff in their faces like chipmunks.

If u had anything beyond ur own business to hold up that Im off-base u'd of shown Me.... I guess not. Im honored I've warranted u to see who's kicking ur CONservative concepts to the curb.

I dont have a 401k,..... and if it had been left up to the GOP a few years ago and social security was privatized, it'd of been in the dumpster with the banks. My retirements on SHAREBUILDER, where I bought a chunk of XM radio stock at .05 cents a share at the bottom of the last crash, ....u can look it up at what it is now... Im not as slow as u want a lib to be "NoNo"

dont worry NoNookie, (THERES a telling name if there ever was one....jus' say'n) Im sure if ur only reason for firing me would of been "thoroughly inarticulate " I would of made sure u would of known how I felt about it by pissing on ur desk.... So Im sure no words would of been necessary then.... and dared u to do anything more than call the cops over it.... and THAT would be "absolutely pleasurable" ...

not that its likely I would of worked for u in the first place, for u would of not hired Me for My liberalism anyway, and I have a hard time thinking Id come to someone like u for a job ether.


nice try on the profile critique (see pissing on ur desk) u dont like it - dont read it. ur childish for bothering to think I'd care,

....and its the last refuge of somebody who knows they've been wrong.






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What would the internet be like if we couldn't say trump is a moron?

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RE: Verizon To Lay Off 1,700 Workers After Paying CEO $... - 6/26/2012 12:39:35 AM   
itsSIRtou


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

quote:

ORIGINAL: outhere69

Say there Lookie, what do you think of the health care debate from the CEO point of view?


Great question. Not sure if my opinion fits with other business owners but, in previous posts, years back, I've commented on this very thing, and with exception for comma's and apostrophe's, I'm guessing it stands right up there word for word with what I've said years ago.

I don't know enough about it to know if it's financially a good idea...I'm not as smart as I'd prefer, but I do believe that we should, of all countries in the industrialized world, be capable of providing for our people as to some kind of universal health care and...as a business person, I'm in favor.

As a small business person, I also know that it'll actually benefit me financially. As a small business person with certain products that will likely take me over the threshold of "small business" within the next 3 - 5 years, it'll end up costing me far more than health care costs me today on a percentage basis.

But here's the deal: Large corporations are at an advantage in this gig...they can self insure...they have the size and stature to be able to run their own health care (most of which run it with employees paying 30 - 40% of the monthly fee...my firm pays 100% and I prefer it that way)...small guys like myself don't have that luxury so, a national system puts everyone on equal footing.

Which, by the way, is not why I'm in favor of a national solution.

I like a national solution for the very same reasons why 30 years ago I opted to pay for my employees health care bills 100%, even when at that time, fewer than 45% of all company's did so.

Because I prefer (and preferred) to have employees that are healthy....that go to see doctors when their sick (not when they're dying).

As to whether or not Obama's plan is the right one...I can only admit that I'm not smart enough to understand all the intricacies, and....with reports of Canadian citizens waiting for months and months (some reports say these are false stories) for major surgeries, I wonder if we're on the right track. I hope we are.

I also know that here, those with means can hire (or pay for) better insurance (on top of whatever is deemed to be a national plan) so in all cases, the wealthy are always going to do better (whether it's cars, houses or health care), but I just think that, whether it should be a "right" as some would have you believe, or a moral imperative as others may insist....I just think we can do better, and regardless of the cost...it just seems right to me.

(Someone please come take away my Republican card......ASAP!!!!).

(I suspect my viewpoint may not be "all" CEO's viewpoints).


u get both hands clapping for this one..... nice to see ya aint all bad...


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I will allways be a knight, instead of a prince.

What would the internet be like if we couldn't say trump is a moron?

The Republican party complains government doesnt work for people, and then makes darn sure it cannot.

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