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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Karmastic:

Please explain as precisely as you can what the "penalty" would be?

When you answer, please keep the following facts in mind:

(1) Nobody even knows how many CM members would consult the list of fakes/liars

(2) Those people who DO consult the list probably have had bad experiences and, therefore, they just want to avoid (if possible) chatting with a fake or a liar.

(3) Consequently, the worst thing that would happen is that CM member #1 might not respond to a message by CM member #2 because CM member #2 has received multiple listings by several different people who have mentioned their experienes with dishonesty in CM member #2's behavior.

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

it's a specious argument that having a bad rating is not a PENALTY.

and you again ignore that it's allowing a bunch of anon people to give another anon person a rating, which ultimately is mob rule. it's not the same thing as rating a restaurant, and open to more abuses, and it's value outweighs it's risks and it's weaknesses in being easy to avoid with new profiles.

ps edit - thank you for your ideas, and sticking up for them, even if they're misguided. and your rebuttals were entertaining, like rational matter colliding with irrational anti-matter.

GET YOUR POPCORN, FRESH HOT POPCORN HERE!

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ORIGINAL: KyttynTheMynx

Ok. So if myself, and every other poster fabricated reasons to penalize you, would there be a way for you to clear your name?

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

I 'pick and choose' who I want to respond to? I think I have responded to almost everyone here.

Actually, I've asked a few questions on this thread that you haven't answered, so I'm calling shenanigans.

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ORIGINAL: DrkJourney

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

I 'pick and choose' who I want to respond to? I think I have responded to almost everyone here.

Actually, I've asked a few questions on this thread that you haven't answered, so I'm calling shenanigans.

He only picks the ones he can find a "word" in their response so he can fight with them....all others, that might actually give him a discussion, he ignores

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Karmastic:

Please explain as precisely as you can what the "penalty" would be?

When you answer, please keep the following facts in mind:

(1) Nobody even knows how many CM members would consult the list of fakes/liars

(2) Those people who DO consult the list probably have had bad experiences and, therefore, they just want to avoid (if possible) chatting with a fake or a liar.

(3) Consequently, the worst thing that would happen is that CM member #1 might not respond to a message by CM member #2 because CM member #2 has received multiple listings by several different people who have mentioned their experienes with dishonesty in CM member #2's behavior.

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

it's a specious argument that having a bad rating is not a PENALTY.

and you again ignore that it's allowing a bunch of anon people to give another anon person a rating, which ultimately is mob rule. it's not the same thing as rating a restaurant, and open to more abuses, and it's value outweighs it's risks and it's weaknesses in being easy to avoid with new profiles.

ps edit - thank you for your ideas, and sticking up for them, even if they're misguided. and your rebuttals were entertaining, like rational matter colliding with irrational anti-matter.

GET YOUR POPCORN, FRESH HOT POPCORN HERE!

i'm using my 999th post to answer you - i guess that's fitting.

it's disingenuous, again, to not recognize that the ultimate outcome is that person #2 is penalized, because "GENUINE" people may ignore them or not contact them (right or wrong, just or not).

and you continue to ignore that whether the penalty is just or not is based on mob rule, or worse, by someone spoofing their IP address and voting down someone.

and finally, you continue to ignore that this isn't like rating some restaurant, and the "UN-GENUINE" people will just make a new profile, while leaving "GENUINE" people to suffer the "PENALTY".

sheesh, for someone who appears to be intelligent and articulate, you sure seem to avoid issues. hmmm, seems to be a pattern here.

I hereby inaugurate your own rating system, and rate you as "UN-GENUINE".
Does anyone else care to agree with me?
Please vote now.

bwa hahaha, how does that feel? good fit?

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Reply to no particular person in general.

Has it occurred to anybody else that the OP is bothered by people who lie on the internet, but believes only "honest" people would contribute to the list?

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ORIGINAL: KyttynTheMynx

Ok. So if myself, and every other poster fabricated reasons to penalize you, would there be a way for you to clear your name?

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Reply to no particular person in general.

Has it occurred to anybody else that the OP is bothered by people who lie on the internet, but believes only "honest" people would contribute to the list?

Yes... his answer seems to be a pattern of accusations. Not sure about the multiple ID thing and what he thinks on that. It really is ridiculous to think there are so many liars that lie to us and there won't be liars reporting falsely.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Reply to no particular person in general.

Has it occurred to anybody else that the OP is bothered by people who lie on the internet, but believes only "honest" people would contribute to the list?

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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

You totally lost me Karmastic.

1. There would be no "anonymous" people unless you mean that CM members are not using their actual names but screen names to post comments?

is pshornyguy your real name? then you're anonymous. next.

2. How does providing information, which you can totally ignore and never even see, if that is your preference, amount to "mob rule"?

a group of people making a rating that can negatively affect another person is a mob. why quibble with words? next

3. Why does it matter if a genuine CM member decides not to contact someone whom they believe might be a fake or a liar -- or whom they otherwise are not interested in contacting?

irrelevant red herring. we already discussed the reality of penalties.

4. I do not understand your comment about spoofing an IP address. Once again, consider this more likely scenario:

it means that i can register multiple handles using different IP addresses, and then make many negative votes against you.

(a) You are contacted by someone who interests you
(b) ...(irrelevant)


(2) You can bring some of this information to the attention of the member you are chatting with and ask for his/her explanation. If the explanation seems reasonable to you, then you continue chatting. If it is NOT reasonable or credible, you can (if you want) discontinue contact OR if you are bored and just want to chat with anyone (legitimate or phony) then you continue anyway

bwa haha fucking ha! i can see that going well. what world are you from?

They do that right now---if they don't like what they see in profile information. Some people here don't even provide basic information about their interests or preferences -- they just input their location and/or age -- and that's it!

again, it's value is unreliable at best, outweighed by risk of abuse, and most importantly, easily avoided by the real ungenuine people who just create a new profile.

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Karmastic:

Please explain as precisely as you can what the "penalty" would be?

When you answer, please keep the following facts in mind:

(1) Nobody even knows how many CM members would consult the list of fakes/liars

(2) Those people who DO consult the list probably have had bad experiences and, therefore, they just want to avoid (if possible) chatting with a fake or a liar.

(3) Consequently, the worst thing that would happen is that CM member #1 might not respond to a message by CM member #2 because CM member #2 has received multiple listings by several different people who have mentioned their experienes with dishonesty in CM member #2's behavior.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Karmastic

it's a specious argument that having a bad rating is not a PENALTY.

and you again ignore that it's allowing a bunch of anon people to give another anon person a rating, which ultimately is mob rule. it's not the same thing as rating a restaurant, and open to more abuses, and it's value outweighs it's risks and it's weaknesses in being easy to avoid with new profiles.

ps edit - thank you for your ideas, and sticking up for them, even if they're misguided. and your rebuttals were entertaining, like rational matter colliding with irrational anti-matter.

GET YOUR POPCORN, FRESH HOT POPCORN HERE!

i'm using my 999th post to answer you - i guess that's fitting.

it's disingenuous, again, to not recognize that the ultimate outcome is that person #2 is penalized, because "GENUINE" people may ignore them or not contact them (right or wrong, just or not).

and you continue to ignore that whether the penalty is just or not is based on mob rule, or worse, by someone spoofing their IP address and voting down someone.

and finally, you continue to ignore that this isn't like rating some restaurant, and the "UN-GENUINE" people will just make a new profile, while leaving "GENUINE" people to suffer the "PENALTY".

sheesh, for someone who appears to be intelligent and articulate, you sure seem to avoid issues. hmmm, seems to be a pattern here.

I hereby inaugurate your own rating system, and rate you as "UN-GENUINE".
Does anyone else care to agree with me?
Please vote now.

bwa hahaha, how does that feel? good fit?

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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

No, you are wrong LadyPact!

Remember what I have said repeatedly: there would have to be a PATTERN of behavior (which, by definition, would require multiple listings by different people).

And EVEN THEN --- it would STILL be up to you to decide how to proceed.

Nothing would change from the current system EXCEPT there would be an information source (a database) where dishonest behavior could be listed....but everybody would make up their own minds regarding its authenticity, accuracy, and credibility.

If my proposed info list is something you believe to be utterly worthless for all the reasons you (and others) have mentioned --- THEN, you would NEVER even look at it.

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ORIGINAL: DrkJourney

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Reply to no particular person in general.

Has it occurred to anybody else that the OP is bothered by people who lie on the internet, but believes only "honest" people would contribute to the list?

Yes... his answer seems to be a pattern of accusations. Not sure about the multiple ID thing and what he thinks on that. It really is ridiculous to think there are so many liars that lie to us and there won't be liars reporting falsely.

I've brought up the multiple ID thing and other points, but I guess I'm invisible to him, I guess he can't find that "one" word in my response to fight about...lol I've given up on trying to communicate with the man, I'll just respond to others post....lol