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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

How am I supposed to stay on topic when shit like this crosses the screen?

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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

What I detect here is a VERY anti-intellectual bias by people who not accustomed to explaining themselves or not willing to actually defend their position with specific details. Instead, it is always easier to make snide comments, ad hominem slurs, and attempt to demonize the messenger rather than address the message.

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

A little over 15,000 people in the states die every year from AIDs. That may seem like a small number to you but I would be willing to bet it isn't a small number to those people or the people that knew them.

To get back on topic though.....you never defined the word "recurring" for me. I do ever so want to know it I would end up on your list or not.

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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Piss is sterile...very unlikely you can "pass" something on. In fact, in some cultures, piss is considered to have medicinal value and is routinely ingested.

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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Karsmatic:

The questions you ask are the reason I posted my original message. I asked for suggestions. Everyone would be free to post the screen name of someone they believe to be dishonest. But no single listing would be of any significance unless there was a pattern of dishonest behavior.

Keep in mind that the dishonest behavior could be validated thru multiple sources. The whole point of the information list (or database) is simply to give genuine people a caution about whom they are dealing with. They can then pursue their future discussions in whatever way they think appropriate.

For example: Suppose somebody lies about their age, height, weight, etc. Perhaps somebody might post website names where that person has other profiles using the same screen name that reveal his/her dishonesty because the info on those other sites is totally different. Perhaps even the pictures posted are of totally different people.

I don't understand why you are so negative about the number of pages in this thread. Any proposal or idea which generates a discussion will consume pages -- especially if people use the "quote" option to include the original message they are responding to.

What I detect here is a VERY anti-intellectual bias by people who not accustomed to explaining themselves or not willing to actually defend their position with specific details. Instead, it is always easier to make snide comments, ad hominem slurs, and attempt to demonize the messenger rather than address the message.




pshornyguy, i only read your responses from the first and last page, to see how your absurd suggestion has evolved. amazing!

so, how in the hell does a person qualify to be the judge and arbiter of who gets to add to the database?

what is the criteria for allowing a person to contribute?

how do you stop people from lying, and placing false data in the database?

it's hard to believe you stuck with this thread for 14 pages now with this absurd proposal.


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Be who you are sexually...OWN it, and live it.

note to self...add more snappy quotes and shit

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

What I detect here is a VERY anti-intellectual bias by people who not accustomed to explaining themselves or not willing to actually defend their position with specific details. Instead, it is always easier to make snide comments, ad hominem slurs, and attempt to demonize the messenger rather than address the message.

Maybe most of us get that not getting an answer is an answer in itself? That somebody who doesn't send emails or pics is trying to tell you that they aren't interested. Come on, that concept is hardly challenging and you don't need much of an intellect to grasp it.

Seeing how annoying you are in this thread, I am not surprised that people just "fade out" on you... Add to that your HIV infection... I might be able to deal with it if I'd be in love with a person but I would think several times about getting involved with somebody carrying the virus. If that makes me shallow, so be it, I can live with it, but my life and health is worth something to me, and sorry, no fuck is worth dying for, condoms can break. You'd have to be one hell of a special person to make me risk that, from what I've seen of you, you could be the healthiest person on the planet and I would not seek you out for company. I try to say it as politely is I can, you're not my cup of tea and my tolerance for people who whinge and complain about fakes instead of using common sense is possibly not the best.

Live long and prosperous - and the same goes for your sex partners....

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

Karsmatic:

The questions you ask are the reason I posted my original message. I asked for suggestions. Everyone would be free to post the screen name of someone they believe to be dishonest. But no single listing would be of any significance unless there was a pattern of dishonest behavior.

Keep in mind that the dishonest behavior could be validated thru multiple sources. The whole point of the information list (or database) is simply to give genuine people a caution about whom they are dealing with. They can then pursue their future discussions in whatever way they think appropriate.

For example: Suppose somebody lies about their age, height, weight, etc. Perhaps somebody might post website names where that person has other profiles using the same screen name that reveal his/her dishonesty because the info on those other sites is totally different. Perhaps even the pictures posted are of totally different people.

I don't understand why you are so negative about the number of pages in this thread. Any proposal or idea which generates a discussion will consume pages -- especially if people use the "quote" option to include the original message they are responding to.

What I detect here is a VERY anti-intellectual bias by people who not accustomed to explaining themselves or not willing to actually defend their position with specific details. Instead, it is always easier to make snide comments, ad hominem slurs, and attempt to demonize the messenger rather than address the message.




pshornyguy, i only read your responses from the first and last page, to see how your absurd suggestion has evolved. amazing!

so, how in the hell does a person qualify to be the judge and arbiter of who gets to add to the database?

what is the criteria for allowing a person to contribute?

how do you stop people from lying, and placing false data in the database?

it's hard to believe you stuck with this thread for 14 pages now with this absurd proposal.


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I don't mind being respectfully challenged, or being proven wrong. If either happens, then I've learned something and grown.

Be who you are sexually...OWN it, and live it.

note to self...add more snappy quotes and shit

okay, you surprised me with rational logic. but you're not articulating it very well. perhaps if you hadn't let someone suck you off topic, i might not have missed where you might have properly articulated it. how the fuck did this get into whether or not repeatedly pissing in someones mouth can transmit aids? btw - of course it can if there's enough repeated exposure to areas exposed to blood vessels that aren't sealed (small open cuts or bruises).

what you're suggesting is simply a rating type of system that i've seen at another dating site. it's similar to rating a video or movie. when others see a person's profile, they see the average of the person's rating.

this sounds okay, but still prone to abuse, esp if someone spoofs their IP and makes many votes. and i have problems with mob rule. i find it entertainingly ironic that your complaints and description of being personally attacked were essentially akin to complaining about mob rule, which your suggestion promotes.

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ORIGINAL: pshornyguy

What the hell are you talking about? I have no problem with someone not sending me their pics. What I am objecting to is when they promise to do so (and they even volunteer a particular time of day!) and then they disappear and you never hear from them again.

Again, for the 101st time -- the issue is DISHONESTY -- not whether or not you choose to post pics in your profile or send pics to someone. If you are upfront and honest about your choice -- then fine. Just don't promise to do it (and with multiple people) but then disappear and expect to be considered a genuine person.

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their listing would alert you to the possibility that they are NOT genuine people -- and they may well be manipulating you.

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

Nothing you have said in this post is news to me. I only quoted a number because you said a small number of people in the states die from AIDs. As to if you want to hide behind the idea that people with AIDs die from pneumonia and not AIDs.....well. That is a lot like saying diabetics die from kidney failur not diabetes. Hey we shouldn't bother looking for a cure for AIDs or Diabetes should we? We should just find a cure for kidney failure and pneumonia. Logical man, yes indead, you are one.

*side note...is there an emoticon that rolls its eyes or should I stop looking for it*

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Nope---you STILL don't get it. Geez!

There is no "mob rule" involved here --- UNLESS you also believe that consumer protection laws are an example of "mob rule" ??

Truth-in-advertising is a well-known and accepted principle of doing business. Most states (probably all of them) have specific laws regarding fraudulent ads.

What I am suggesting is something entirely voluntary and which has no enforcement mechanism of any type nor any penalties of any kind whatsoever.

It is simply an informational device -- which you could totally ignore if you wanted to do so.

BUT---if you wanted to consult the informational list, you might discover the name of somebody on CM whom you are chatting with (or whom you are thinking of responding to their profile) --- and their listing would alert you to the possibility that they are NOT genuine people -- and they may well be manipulating you.

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ORIGINAL: Whenready

All I have done, for the 100th time, is ask a question which should appeal to EVERYONE on this website or any other....i.e. how do we minimize wasting our time on fakes and liars?

I've had 4 "timewasters" in my inbox in the last 6 months. Two were scammers: they found me on the net. I'm irresistible. Please send them money so they can come and worship. Block & delete. 20 seconds. A third was someone who disagreed with me. We had an exhange of mails here - 3 or 4 each way. He blocked me after calling me fake because his way was not my way. Call it 15 minutes tops over a couple of days. The last I spent a fair amount of time talking to online, and met for half a day. That person knew I was married - it's on my profile - but decided in the end that it WAS - for them - a dealbreaker. One could argue that they wasted my time - a day all told. Personally, I think they changed their mind. It happens. Shrug and move on. That person isn't fake, even though they promised to do x y z after first meet, and didn't do so. But, by your initial criteria, they would be eligible for your "fake information listing".

I too would be eligible. I'm married. It says so on my profile. It doesnt say what my wife's views are. Some people have in the past concluded that I am lying to her, therefore have no interest in me, since I cannot be trusted. They're entitled to that opinion. It doesn't make me - or them - fake. My marriage isn't the issue in this thread - but other people's PERCEPTION of that marriage is.

You say "pattern" is a qualifier. How do I as joe punter tell the difference between one genuine complaint, and the multiple ID stitch up the moderator used as an example? Are 4 accusations a stitch up, and the one real? There's no way to tell. Therefore, a list becomes useless, since it can only be subjective. Coming back to my one "genuine" "timewaster", what actually happened is that we both put the time in finding out about each other. In the end, part of that finding out was "not for me". That person "fails" half of your original questions:

1. promise to send pics but then never does so
2. promise to contact again (thru email or instant message) but never does so
3. dishonest or highly suspect profile details (such as phony age, weight, height, or other attributes OR discovering profiles on other websites that present materially different details about same person)
4. dishonest responses to questions or comments (such as giving different answers at different times)

Where do you draw the line on pattern? One "accusation"? 3? 17?

Last but not least ] Anyone have other suggestions? Spend the time. Put in the effort. Some of it will be "wasted" because it will not end in what you have said you are looking for. On the other hand, you just might make a friend, or even have a decent conversation along the way.

I havent met anyone who isnt "genuine". Everyone here genuinely wants something. It just probably isn't what you - or I - want. So keep looking.....

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Do you hate gay people or maybe just gay men?