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What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 11:14:08 AM

FemalecumLover

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It is more than a Question to answer
It is an inquiry about the rules defining the whole lifestyle
Share us with your opinion

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 11:17:35 AM

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There are no rules defining the whole "lifestyle". Everyone chooses the rules they live by and they can't be encompassed by cute little acronyms.

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 11:39:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

There are no rules defining the whole "lifestyle". Everyone chooses the rules they live by and they can't be encompassed by cute little acronyms.

From my profile

I realized there is wide range of preferences
between members of this lifestyle
you dont have to like mine
and i dont have to like yours
but we still can be friends ...
as you know we were vanilla before
so I am open for discussions about any kind of play

Back to your comment

The idea behind my words is not looking for "cute little acronyms"
but looking for objective discussion regarding the rules regarding the lifestyle

we can consider Dom and sub words
a cute little definition for roles in the KINK relationships
and mock them like any other vanilla

feel free to discuss objectively ... Thank you

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 12:21:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FemalecumLover
but looking for objective discussion regarding the rules regarding the lifestyle

But, as was noted, there ARE no rules regarding the lifestyle. I don't subscribe to either RACK or SSC. At an even more basic level, I don't find much value in the sacred cow of "consent" as applied to Carol and I. So if there are some "rules" to this lifestyle then I'm certainly not honoring them.

To your question, as a guy who did risk analysis at work, RACK is a more formal risk management version of SSC. Both, in the end, communicate the same thing as actually used... "Try not to be an idiot."

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 12:36:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

To your question, as a guy who did risk analysis at work, RACK is a more formal risk management version of SSC. Both, in the end, communicate the same thing as actually used... "Try not to be an idiot."

Impressive way to make it simple
Thank you for your opinion

The reason behind this question
is an article I came across

http://www.withinreality.com/rackssc.html

quote:

SSC… safe sane consensual...when you say it out loud it seems pretty clear. So you are either safe or not, sane or not, consensual or not, right? But how does each of us define and set the standard for SSC is unclear.

RACK…the intent of RACK is education and awareness. You should try to know as much as you can about what you are doing...be aware of the risk. Do you consent or have cosent - and also know the different forms it takes. If you are aware of your risk and you consent to it - go forward. That is the "spirit" of RACK. There is no, "this is safe and this is not." There is only safer and less safe.

The difference between the two terms is even more clear when the spirit of them is applied in the public scene.

When watching a scene that may involve some heavy risk you might hear the person next to you whisper to their partner "they shouldn't do that...its unsafe…that is a dangerous Dominant" - that is the spirit of SSC.

If you hear whispered "I wonder if he knows the risk involved in doing that....I wonder if he does "this" it could be made safer....I think I will tell him about it later after his scene" - that is the "spirit" of RACK.

The examples made me more confused about terms
I have never thought there is much difference though

but as they mentioned in the article

quote:

Just as we might look at a shade of blue and someone calls it midnight blue and I might call it navy blue. We all see things differently. We all react to things differently - so how can I say that something is unsafe for someone when we are different and handle/deal with life differently.

almost the same with my words i set on my own profile
makes it clear there is wide range of varieties

quote:

I realized there is wide range of preferences
between members of this lifestyle
you dont have to like mine
and i dont have to like yours
but we still can be friends ...
as you know we were vanilla before
so I am open for discussions about any kind of play

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Demanding that I cum for you so I do as I'm told

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 12:46:20 PM

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To my mind, SSC means agreeing to do kinky stuff

RACK means agreeing to do seriously fucked-up kinky stuff

But as for the agreement, in my world the agreement to everything he wants to do was given the minute I accepted his collar. I don't get a choice now, except to leave if I can't abide by the rules he made. No chance of that happening!

Thankfully we both LOVE the fucked-up kinky stuff

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 1:04:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: myotherself

To my mind, SSC means agreeing to do kinky stuff

RACK means agreeing to do seriously fucked-up kinky stuff

But as for the agreement, in my world the agreement to everything he wants to do was given the minute I accepted his collar. I don't get a choice now, except to leave if I can't abide by the rules he made. No chance of that happening!

Thankfully we both LOVE the fucked-up kinky stuff

That is a Brilliant Answer
Mixed with the taste of Experience

I Like that
Thank you For Sharing

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 1:11:25 PM

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I agree with your two "spirit" examples.

The "safe" thing is a no-brainer. Even for Carol and I who don't do any BDSM "activities" (bondage, SM, etc) what we're doing is so very far from "safe" as to make the concept of SSC ridiculous. I know a lot of folks who wouldn't think of it as "sane". And I, myself, have questions about the consentuality of it. So that tosses "SSC" (if interpreted literally) right into the bucket for us.

We do better on "RACK" but still trip up on the consentuality thing as well as the kink thing.

Honestly though, when someone actually utters those phrases they are more like magic mantras than something that's been thought out. They both mean "try to think things through and not do any [serious] harm." I've never actually heard anyone use either phrase in the real world to mean anything more than "good housekeeping seal of approval".

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 1:18:26 PM

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quote:

When watching a scene that may involve some heavy risk you might hear the person next to you whisper to their partner "they shouldn't do that...its unsafe…that is a dangerous Dominant" - that is the spirit of SSC.

If you hear whispered "I wonder if he knows the risk involved in doing that....I wonder if he does "this" it could be made safer....I think I will tell him about it later after his scene" - that is the "spirit" of RACK.

This sums it up very well - Risk Aware vs Safe & Sane.

I like that they both include Consent.

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 1:22:59 PM

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Personally I don't use either one. We just do what he likes and we don't concern ourselves with acronyms or what others may think if we are safe or not or what our risks are.

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 1:28:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

When watching a scene that may involve some heavy risk you might hear the person next to you whisper to their partner "they shouldn't do that...its unsafe…that is a dangerous Dominant" - that is the spirit of SSC.

If you hear whispered "I wonder if he knows the risk involved in doing that....I wonder if he does "this" it could be made safer....I think I will tell him about it later after his scene" - that is the "spirit" of RACK.

This sums it up very well - Risk Aware vs Safe & Sane.

I like that they both include Consent.

nice sum of meaning
I totally believe in this stage of my evolving Domination in C = Consensual

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 2:28:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: stef
Everyone chooses the rules they live by and they can't be encompassed by cute little acronyms.

Mine can!

WYSIWYG

:)

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 2:51:10 PM

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Personally, I'd go with the SSC over RACK any day!

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 2:57:12 PM

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I'm a RACK player. For those of us who play outside of only committed relationships, I feel it is the best way to approach casual play. I actually do take it rather seriously and it's My hope that other people do as well.

When you start getting into activities such as fire, electrical, needles, etc, the idea behind RACK is that you know what the potential dangers are and you educate yourself about them. A lot of it, for Me, is applying things that I've already learned in other areas of life. For example, I already had a decent education about blood born pathogens before I wanted to learn about needle play, so I already had a leg up. Of course, once I started having an interest in playing with sharps, I did additional research to what "could" happen, so I would have that knowledge.

The other premise behind it is that a person can not truly consent without that knowledge. If you don't know what "can" happen, you can't really give informed consent. Should you decide that you want to be the recipient of sounds, your consent shouldn't just be about what happens during the play. You should also know what after effects can happen in the hours/days following.

RACK isn't a list of don't do this and don't do that. It's more about have you looked at the potential outcomes and do you accept what is possible? I find that to be a lot more encompassing than SSC.

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 3:08:16 PM

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If have found the SSC (safe sane consentual) meaning varies amoung people. What some consider safe, other will not. What some conside sane, others consider insane. So I like RACK much better. Both parties involved are aware of the risks involved and agree to them as well as whatever limits you have also agreed to.

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 3:51:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mummyman321

If have found the SSC (safe sane consentual) meaning varies amoung people. What some consider safe, other will not. What some conside sane, others consider insane. So I like RACK much better. Both parties involved are aware of the risks involved and agree to them as well as whatever limits you have also agreed to.

Well Said :D

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 4:16:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: Blankpain

Personally, I'd go with the SSC over RACK any day!

I don't, because to be honest, most of what we do isn't safe or sane - so you're better be aware of the risks instead of pretending that just because we want it to be it's safe and sane.

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/10/2012 5:25:25 PM

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I am definitely a RACK player. A lot of the things I enjoy bottoming for would not fit the SSC mantra at all. I am aware of the risks and things are done to minimize potential risk, but it's still there and I'm ok with that. If I wasn't, I wouldn't be doing it. Be informed and aware of what potential risks and problems there may be with something, get educated about it and then make an informed decision on whether to engage in it or not and if you do choose to, do what you can to minimize the risks and have fun.

< Message edited by SassySarijane -- 6/10/2012 5:31:26 PM >

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/11/2012 5:07:30 PM

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Yep, definitions of sane.... it reminds me of the first time I saw a violet wand.

The dom who was showing it to me was telling me what an evil painful implement it was. He demonstrated on one of his girls.
So, I ask if I could see it. Heck, I wouldn't use a new implement before I had gauged the feel on myself.
I run the wand up and down my forearm... hmmm.
I crank the sucker up to max and start using it for a backscratcher .. very effective.
Said dom's eyes got large as saucers and his girl turned white and ran from the room.

I still consider violet wands nifty but not painful.. que sera.

What I squick at is hypodermic needles... nope, it isn't the needle play, it is the fact that a sight of a hypodermic needle puts me into "first aid" mode for some reason and blows the mood of a scene for me. Decorative sterilizable stainless hat pins are another matter.

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RE: What is the Difference between RACK and SSC - 6/11/2012 5:20:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

There are no rules defining the whole "lifestyle". Everyone chooses the rules they live by and they can't be encompassed by cute little acronyms.

I have to agree with this.
There are no 'RULES' except for those I and my partner(s) make amongst ourselves.
As for RACK and SSC...to me, they are nothing more than letters used in a public setting; they have no meaning what-so-ever except what the people using them want them to mean.

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