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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/11/2012 4:14:04 PM   
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I don't think you clearly understand the economic meaning of structure.

We were in a sustainable structure through Clinton's administration. After 2000, we eliminated the surplus by (1) cutting taxes and (2) not only increasing spending, but doing it by creating new structural problems in Iraq and Afghanistan. McCain was being honest about this in the campaign--we will be there (and spending there) for decades in some form.

That's not a discretionary structure. Vastly more is going out than coming in. See #14--cuts and growth won't change it; the structural problem has to be changed.



The dotcom boom was sustainable?

The dotcom boom is not the structural federal economy.

In fact, believing it was, and that it would always continue, helped to lead us to the current mess. Remember? "It's the people's money, and should go back to the people who paid it." And so it did. Now we have no money. Mission accomplished.


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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/11/2012 4:46:36 PM   
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I don't think you clearly understand the economic meaning of structure.

We were in a sustainable structure through Clinton's administration. After 2000, we eliminated the surplus by (1) cutting taxes and (2) not only increasing spending, but doing it by creating new structural problems in Iraq and Afghanistan. McCain was being honest about this in the campaign--we will be there (and spending there) for decades in some form.

That's not a discretionary structure. Vastly more is going out than coming in. See #14--cuts and growth won't change it; the structural problem has to be changed.



The dotcom boom was sustainable?

The dotcom boom is not the structural federal economy.

In fact, believing it was, and that it would always continue, helped to lead us to the current mess. Remember? "It's the people's money, and should go back to the people who paid it." And so it did. Now we have no money. Mission accomplished.




And the government didn't benefit from the tax dollars raised, and the jobs it created either, right?

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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/11/2012 5:18:09 PM   
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The dotcom boom was sustainable?


Prior to companies like Bain coming in and grossly overcapitalizing? FUCK YEAH.
In fact, if you Romney-Boehner Ignoranti get the fuck out of the way and fucking fund something for once, you'll see it happen all over again. And hey, too bad NIT-WIT Scott Brown with his fraudulently named "J.O.B.S." act didn't make it a real opportunity for the small investor rather than a way to make the moderately wealthy Angel Funder more rich... Because then you'd see the small investor taking a real stake and an increase in overall wealth. And if it wasn't an inside/sure thing tax dodge it would allow up to 2-3 million which is really a more realistic number for funding a start-up. JOBS is just a way for rich guys to get their hooks into some good technology for the cheap cheap.
Low ceiling so one or two fat cats can lock all the little guys out. Basically insurance for the guys from the show "Shark Tank".


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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/11/2012 6:19:16 PM   
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"Leftist" is in quotes because any actual leftist is gonna read this and say wtf? (Mine in blue)

These are my positions. My actual positions, not the ones people continually make up for me. Some of them are left-leaning, if we consider green initiatives (no, not blindly all of them) and social justice (no, not automatically any cause), while others are frankly far to the right of today's version of "conservative," particularly economically.

No particular order, and not an exhaustive list.

1) Obama is a mediocre president (Actually, no...he's a putz and a completely shitty Prez). But he comes after a poor president (agreed), and given Romney as the alternative, I'll vote for re-election. Tough call.

2) The Health Care law is flawed, but does many things that are long overdue, as is having something in place, finally breaking through that obstructionist barrier. I want this carried through in 2014. The status quo was simply unsustainable, including from the viewpoint of businesses providing coverage inflating at double digit rates. If the U.S. is writing the legislation (which, of course, we are), that means lobbyists are involved which means.....we're fucked, no matter what.

3) The Supreme Court has decidedly become a partisan vehicle. That's unfortunate. But it's also not the first time in history. It will take time to undo this. Years. On the money.

4) Women have the right to choose about abortion. It's a medical decision and a private moral decision. What about my right as the father? I have none. That's fucked up (and wrong).

5) We have given up too much privacy in the mania of the Patriot Act and subsequent action. We will regret it. Dead on....lot's of awkward choices....all of which Israel has made as well....still fucked up....very different world today....glad I'm not the Prez.

6) Sensible regulation is crucial, and worth the cost. Banking, financial markets, energy, environment, labor, air travel, utilities--it's simply necessary. I'd have to concur.

7) The minimum wage hurts nothing. It's too low to hurt anything--it's below legitimate market rates (except in common areas of exploitation, such as migrant farm labor). Agreed.

8) We are not being overrun by immigrants. We do need sensible immigration reform, including a path to citizenship. YAYUS!!!!!!!

9) The Department of Homeland Security is nothing but theater, a wasteful front to pretend to respond to 9/11. Sadly, I agree.

10) Globalization is here to stay, and we benefit from it greatly. The same is true of our various free trade agreements--WTO, NAFTA, APEC, etc. People advocating protectionism have no clue what this would mean and how severely it would shut down our economy until we wised up and opened our borders again. Ehhhhh....your union brethren wouldn't agree (however, like the hypocrites they are, they're shopping at WalMart too)....there is an argument to be made that we've shipped our manufacturing overseas and if we needed to make tanks, we'd have to buy them from China. I used to be firmly in favor of free trade....not sure if I agree any longer.

11) We do, however, need more meaningful international law. That's not going to be easy. One main barrier to that is attitudes and policy from the U.S., which does indeed act as a capricious bully with some frequency. Too long of a response required here but...I concur.

12) Social security is not in "crisis" -- it easily pays for itself, especially considering lifetime contributions, adjustments of those contributions for inflation, and return over a working lifetime. There are also many more workers--the population of the U.S. has tripled in my lifetime. What *is* a crisis is that those funds were borrowed to cover unfunded expenses elsewhere. That puts the borrower--the U.S. taxpayers--on the hook. Interesting comments in today's paper from a woman who was recently in charge of the SEC (I know...an unrelated agency). SSI when it was first instated was for those above 60 (when life expectancy was about....60). Over the next several decades it was taken up to 65 (if you're 55 or so now, you have a relatively reasonable chance of making it to 83). She said we should bump the retirement age to 80 (thereby giving more people incentive to work longer). I know, this negates the issue stated above which is essentially that...we were promised X so we should get X but the fact is...we all also didn't say "NO!!!!!" when they stole our SSI and used it for roads, more Medicare, etc. So.....if they took it up 1 year every 30 months until it got to say 75 or so....by that time, most 75 year olds would be able to buy a brand new body and live to 175....but....what the fuck do I know?.

13) Medicare is more of a problem. It needs a drastic overhaul, and both parties know it. They're just reluctant to take it on because (a) it's political risky and (b) they don't know what to do. "Reforms" that are actually cuts are not the answer. ANOTHER article in today's paper (oddly enough) about some fellow (late 70's or so) who'd paid for late in life medical insurance (paid 85 bucks a month or so) but...they wouldn't cover all his ails. Equally as odd....because he had insurance...his medicare wouldn't kick in (or not fully....I don't recall all the specifics) and so....the ONLY way he could get on medicare (and therefore....full coverage.....was to drop his existing coverage (which he'd paid for for some 20+ years or more). Why not just have medicare cover whatever the difference was? (Nawwwww.....that'd be too logical).

14) Fixing the federal debt will require ALL of these--ALL...any part is not gonna do it: (1) cutting defense, (2) adjusting social security and Medicaid/Medicare, (3) raising taxes (on everyone, including the rich--add additional upper tax brackets), (4) cutting spending--but discretionary spending is not enough to cover it, and is a red herring. Waiting to "grow" our way out of this is a fantasy. Not going to happen. Agreed on all fronts (and I pay a boatload of taxes....and I'm alllllll good with that...I'm in the camp that says "Tax ME!").

15) Our current mess is not any one president's or congress' fault at this point, and no one person can fix it. It's a severe structural problem, beginning with the Bush tax cuts and compounded by unfunded wars. We will be stuck here for a decade or two, no matter who is elected. Obama's big mistake was to raise expectations. It began with Reagan. The one Prez that everyone seems to be in awe of....don't even get me started (and I'm a Republican!).

16) We can be building buildings that use very little energy, very affordable, and we should be building most buildings this way. This includes houses under $150,000 (higher where values are high). Hear hear! I just spent 3 grand changing all the lightbulbs in my residential properties, and 8 grand in my commercial ones....all over to LED's. When I did it, the payback was 5 years. Now, prices have dropped to where it's a 2+ year payback. Regardless of the cost...it's the right thing to do.

17) People are living far beyond their means, especially driving cars they can't actually afford. If they demanded more reasonable cars, they'd get them, but first they have to wake up and realize a 7 year car loan is dumb. Yep.

18) There is always work, or the worker can create work. But people honestly don't know how to find those "hidden" jobs or how to create their own work--not a criticism, as this can be difficult. Training would help. People need to get smarter, there's no argument there. Training isn't the issue....discipline is...and we don't have any. The world is outpacing us not because they're smarter but for one very simple reason: We're "entitled"....we defeated the gawdamned Nazi's, we invented the transistor, the 747....we're God's gift. (Guess what? We're not....and we need to get in the game. Training opportunities don't mean shit if we don't feel the need to put the time in). Pretty much anything after 1974 was a gift. And the world ain't waiting.

19) Most--yes, MOST--business owners know little about business. It's why they flail about when conditions change. Again, this is harder than it looks, so not a criticism. It's hard to tell business people this--they don't want to hear it, preferring to assign outside blame. I couldn't disagree for a second (see above as to entitlement).

20) We need a green/local/permaculture/biodiversity revolution in the U.S., in the cities as well as the country--community gardens, green rooftops, container gardens, window boxes, and so forth. Take control of our food back from the petroleum industry. Eat real food, not processed. This plus exercise would help the U.S. obesity epidemic. 127% agreed. Scratch that.....900% agreed.

21) Sensible gun legislation does not violate the second Amendment. I fucking hate guns. I own 7 (all scattered neatly around the house in very odd places).

22) The founders did not intend to orchestrate an armed rebellion. I disagree (to a point). They intended that if there was a need for one....the feds would have a bit of a struggle against well armed, thoughtful folks.

23) The notion that legalizing pot would prove a tax revenue boon is insane. Honestly--people already engaged in illegal activities are going to start paying taxes on those activities? They would indeed....and....there'd be a whoooooole lot fewer speeding tickets.

24) The death penalty is expensive retribution, not justice. Disagree 1 kabillion %.

25) Unions are not an economic problem. They simply don't have the power to influence wages people believe they have, still being bound by market conditions (see an economics text). The current pension issues are governments who failed to responsibly plan for their fiscal obligations, preferring to spend on otherwise unfunded expenditures and to hope for continual growth to cover their tracks. They got caught, and want to blame unions. Not true....Davis Bacon is legislation that mandates that you spend 30% more on federally funded projects and, if you'd seen previous posts regards (my opinion....not everyone's) regards unions, you'd have seen not only anecdotal, but specific history on how unions corrupt damn near everything they touch. Were they necessary at one time? No question....but they are so corrupt now, I encourage you to find ONE union that isn't.


That's enough for now. Here's a little guidance on generic responses and my replies, to save time.

I. Q - "So what you're saying is __________"
A - Fuck you. Read my actual position, instead of making one up.

II. Q - "Typical leftist _________________"
A - Address what's in the actual position, instead of making one up.

I think you get the pattern.

No need. You made your points well. And quite effectively.

From there, if you want to make up positions for me, I'm not needed for the conversation--just your imaginary friend.

Enjoy!





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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/11/2012 6:25:19 PM   
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23) The notion that legalizing pot would prove a tax revenue boon is insane. Honestly--people already engaged in illegal activities are going to start paying taxes on those activities?




This is a bullshit strawman you are creating, Muse. I drive to a store (I'll be driving farther here soon, due to a new voter approved zoning restriction, but I'll still be driving to a store), they ring up my purchase, and I pay what it says on the cash register. If they start including tax in that, like they do with pretty much anything else I buy, I'll pay that amount instead. What's hard?

Besides, the real boon from legalizing recreational pot isn't the taxes on smoking bud, but the savings in enforcement, court activities, and incarceration.

Now where we could see something significant enough for the tax money to do more than fund education and some diversion treatment, is in the commercial and industrial potential of the plant. There are logistical hurdles, resulting from the sheer volume of biomass you end up with, but I'm convinced that either a stoner, with a master's degree and a barn, or, a team of engineers at John Deere, can resolve those.

If we call it a "green" technology, would that make it easier to bring you around?

I'm happy to go start a specific thread, if you feel like going into depth on marijuana legalization, and why you believe it's the wrong path.

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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/11/2012 7:54:53 PM   
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I don't think you clearly understand the economic meaning of structure.

We were in a sustainable structure through Clinton's administration. After 2000, we eliminated the surplus by (1) cutting taxes and (2) not only increasing spending, but doing it by creating new structural problems in Iraq and Afghanistan. McCain was being honest about this in the campaign--we will be there (and spending there) for decades in some form.

That's not a discretionary structure. Vastly more is going out than coming in. See #14--cuts and growth won't change it; the structural problem has to be changed.



The dotcom boom was sustainable?

The dotcom boom is not the structural federal economy.

In fact, believing it was, and that it would always continue, helped to lead us to the current mess. Remember? "It's the people's money, and should go back to the people who paid it." And so it did. Now we have no money. Mission accomplished.




And the government didn't benefit from the tax dollars raised, and the jobs it created either, right?

Of course they did. But it was NOT a structural issue, and so died with the business cycle, despite the Bush administration and Congress treating it as such to justify their tax cuts.

Those tax cuts, however, ARE structural.

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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/11/2012 8:02:11 PM   
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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/11/2012 8:09:03 PM   
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That's because there were previously legal stores and bars.

That's not the case with pot.


We're about to find out in RI. The word I hear is that unlike California, they've set standards and plan to stand behind them instead of giving businesses just enough legalization to get in biz, but not enough backing when it comes to the fed.
Highschool friends from two different towns who are in the Senate say they've worked large parts of it out and plan to "tweak and revise till it's right" (there has been a decent amount of agreement on both sides of the aisle).
Now this of course is dispensation on a 'medical' basis, but I know at least a few people who will be pushing for full legalization sometime down the road.


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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/11/2012 11:36:48 PM   
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1. Agreed. On all points.

2. Yep. I am nervous how the right wing SCOTUS will rule though.

3. See above. Future appointments in the next 4 years may change the makeup of the Court, and which way it leans, but it will still be heavily partisan, I think.

4. I could never have an abortion. But I wouldn't tell any other woman, not even my own daughter to have a child that wasn't wanted.

5. Agreed.

6. We once had those sensible regulations, they were put in place for various reasons. Then certain persons came into power, beholden to lobbyists and the regulations slowly went away.

7. I hear people advocating for eliminating the minimum wage and I think of laborers tolling for a few bucks an hour. Then I read an article the other day about "wage theft", which seems to becoming sort of an epidemic in this country where many people are not being paid what they are legally owed. A few states are starting to address this problem, but the laws seem to be inadequate.

8. Agreed.

9. Biggest growth of government I remember in my lifetime. And by a small government Republican no less.

10. Agreed. The vast number of manufacturing jobs are most likely gone for good. We have to find a new way of employing the American people.

11. Agreed.

12. Agreed, but only partially. If nothing is done, SSA can pay 100% of benefits through 2033 or 2038 (depending on the source), thereafter it can pay only 75%-80% of benefits in perpetuity.

13. Agreed. Medicare advantage, like the prescription drug plan, was a huge boondoggle for private insurance companies. It has done nothing to improve health of the elderly and has helped to increase costs.

14. Agreed. We build too many weapons. Employ too many soldiers. Federal taxes are too low for everybody, even me. I'm all for welfare, but only where it would actually do the most good, helping those who need it the most to provide them with the necessities of life, get rid of corporate welfare, subsidies and tax credits for mega corporations.

15. Agreed.

16. Yes and no. I happen to enjoy old buildings. My house was built in 1883.

17. Yep. My Yarus cost me just over $15,000. I wanted a Prius but couldn't seeing paying more than my annual income for a car.

18. Agreed as my son has been trying.

19. Very true. Which is why most new businesses go belly up within a few years.

20. Yep. And think of the savings!!

21. I hate guns. I used to say I would never have a gun in my house. Then I won one in a raffle and gave my son a Remington.

22. Not sure what the Founders intended with the 2nd.

23. I'm all for legalizing pot, and I don't smoke the stuff. Not sure it would generate oodles of tax revenue, but would save millions.

24. The death penalty is simply barbaric.

25. Agreed. Also, see #7. Without unions we will have more and more of these types of shenanigans by criminal-type businesses. However, it doesn't help that according to the WSJ, the president of AFSCME has spent about $325,000 on chartered planes over the past 2 years.


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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/12/2012 2:17:36 AM   
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21. I hate guns. I used to say I would never have a gun in my house. Then I won one in a raffle and gave my son a Remington.


Bloody hell, things are *really* different your side of the pond.

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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/12/2012 6:10:10 AM   
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My Yarus cost me just over $15,000.


Geez. Mine cost $12,000.

Manual transmission/hatchback. Maybe that's the difference.

I couldn't see the Prius for (1) the price and (2) I live in the country. I drive in the city maybe 2% of the time. Most of my driving is highway driving. Hence, the electric part of it would be used so little.

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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/12/2012 6:55:41 AM   
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When prohibition ended, people immediately went back to buying alcohol from legal sources. It was simply easier and more convenient for package stores and bars to operate legally


That's because there were previously legal stores and bars.

That's not the case with pot.

And which do you think the majority of pot smokers will do, go to the 7-11 and get a legal product or buy from a violent dealer who could have adulterated his product with grass clippings?

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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/12/2012 7:06:46 AM   
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Besides, the real boon from legalizing recreational pot isn't the taxes on smoking bud, but the savings in enforcement, court activities, and incarceration.


Would that not be offset by the losses of fines, probation fees, lawyer fees, court fees and the like?

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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/12/2012 7:14:43 AM   
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When prohibition ended, people immediately went back to buying alcohol from legal sources. It was simply easier and more convenient for package stores and bars to operate legally


That's because there were previously legal stores and bars.

That's not the case with pot.

And which do you think the majority of pot smokers will do, go to the 7-11 and get a legal product or buy from a violent dealer who could have adulterated his product with grass clippings?

Begs the question, doesn't it.

Where do you think the bulk of pot comes from today? Hint--not your neighborhood farmer.

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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/12/2012 5:29:27 PM   
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(I think not).

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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/12/2012 5:39:19 PM   
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My Yarus cost me just over $15,000.


Geez. Mine cost $12,000.

Manual transmission/hatchback. Maybe that's the difference.

I couldn't see the Prius for (1) the price and (2) I live in the country. I drive in the city maybe 2% of the time. Most of my driving is highway driving. Hence, the electric part of it would be used so little.


My Yarus is automatic, three-door. Plus, I still owed $4,000 on my Saturn that I carried over onto the new loan after putting $4,100 down on the Yarus. I could have paid off the Saturn and kept it a year, but it was giving me so many problems and I was pouring so much money into it, it was more beneficial to get rid of it.

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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/12/2012 6:40:19 PM   
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Where do you think the bulk of pot comes from today? Hint--not your neighborhood farmer.



Cut off the disincentives of current policy, Muse, and watch how quickly that changes. My medical collective operates a store, and everything they sell is California grown. Change the policy, and we'll see a boom in domestic artisan production. Think in terms of the micro-brewery beer industry.

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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/12/2012 8:38:44 PM   
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(I think not).

We ran a thread on that, a few years back. Rich ran my campaign.

Very good ice cream was involved--a value oriented platform.

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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/13/2012 5:41:57 AM   
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I could have paid off the Saturn and kept it a year, but it was giving me so many problems and I was pouring so much money into it, it was more beneficial to get rid of it.


My mother and sister had good Saturns, but my 1997 SL2 was plagued with problems during its early years, an unflattering contrast with my '89 Geo Metro. When I bought a new-to-me car with my divorce settlement in 2005, I gave the Saturn to my SO, who drove it into the ground with the help of shade tree mechanics. I imagine it was close to 200,000 miles by the time he junked it.

I have chemical sensitivities and the new car smell makes me sick. My mom's 5 year old Corolla still bothers me a little, as do 5 yo Priuses. Unfortunately for my budget, higher-end cars off gas much quicker - my ex bosses's 1 yo BMW did not bother me, nor do most newer cars with leather. I don't think it's leather v cloth though; I think cars that have leather also use a different set of materials in the dash.

So while I want to be a Prius owner, I'll stick with my 12 yo Lexus for now. Lexus's Prius-fuel-economy-equivalent CT 200h hybrid hasn't been out long enough to have aged into affordability.

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RE: Actual "Leftist" Positions - 6/21/2012 2:34:35 PM   
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"Leftist" is in quotes because any actual leftist is gonna read this and say wtf?

These are my positions. My actual positions, not the ones people continually make up for me. Some of them are left-leaning, if we consider green initiatives (no, not blindly all of them) and social justice (no, not automatically any cause), while others are frankly far to the right of today's version of "conservative," particularly economically.

No particular order, and not an exhaustive list.

1) Obama is a mediocre president. But he comes after a poor president, and given Romney as the alternative, I'll vote for re-election.
Ill cut the guy a small break on account of getting blocked by the repubs on most things, but the fact remains he had 2 years with a Democratic Congress that did very little. Nevermind the fact that he refused to prosecute Bush for war crimes, or Wall St for their bullshit

2) The Health Care law is flawed, but does many things that are long overdue, as is having something in place, finally breaking through that obstructionist barrier. I want this carried through in 2014. The status quo was simply unsustainable, including from the viewpoint of businesses providing coverage inflating at double digit rates.

It doesnt go far enough. It is time for socialized medicine in this country, no ifs ands or buts about it
3) The Supreme Court has decidedly become a partisan vehicle. That's unfortunate. But it's also not the first time in history. It will take time to undo this. Years.
Actually, to my understanding, its basically accepted that one conservative and one moderate justice are going to retire in the next 4 years. Obama being reelected means at the very least a moderately left Supreme court for years to come
4) Women have the right to choose about abortion. It's a medical decision and a private moral decision.

No arguments here
5) We have given up too much privacy in the mania of the Patriot Act and subsequent action. We will regret it.

Or here
6) Sensible regulation is crucial, and worth the cost. Banking, financial markets, energy, environment, labor, air travel, utilities--it's simply necessary.
I would ask what you consider "sensible". Personally, I think every Wall St banker should be in jail for the crap they pulled, and places like Wal Mart should be legally forced to recognize unions, as per the Wagner Act
7) The minimum wage hurts nothing. It's too low to hurt anything--it's below legitimate market rates (except in common areas of exploitation, such as migrant farm labor).
Enough with minimum wage. It is time for living wage, which means you can pay all of your bills and still have a certain amount of expendible income every month.
8) We are not being overrun by immigrants. We do need sensible immigration reform, including a path to citizenship.
Upping the amount of worker visas available would do the trick
9) The Department of Homeland Security is nothing but theater, a wasteful front to pretend to respond to 9/11.
Oh I dont know, I kind of like the feeling of an anal probe every time I try to fly (sarcasm)
10) Globalization is here to stay, and we benefit from it greatly. The same is true of our various free trade agreements--WTO, NAFTA, APEC, etc. People advocating protectionism have no clue what this would mean and how severely it would shut down our economy until we wised up and opened our borders again.
Those who still tout globalization do not seem to realize that it is a continuation of colonization, and that the colonizers and the colonized are still the same.
11) We do, however, need more meaningful international law. That's not going to be easy. One main barrier to that is attitudes and policy from the U.S., which does indeed act as a capricious bully with some frequency.
Good luck getting that to fly with any other country
12) Social security is not in "crisis" -- it easily pays for itself, especially considering lifetime contributions, adjustments of those contributions for inflation, and return over a working lifetime. There are also many more workers--the population of the U.S. has tripled in my lifetime. What *is* a crisis is that those funds were borrowed to cover unfunded expenses elsewhere. That puts the borrower--the U.S. taxpayers--on the hook.
Except the US Taxpayers did not borrow it; Congress borrowed from Social Security to fund two wars
13) Medicare is more of a problem. It needs a drastic overhaul, and both parties know it. They're just reluctant to take it on because (a) it's political risky and (b) they don't know what to do. "Reforms" that are actually cuts are not the answer.
See my answer to #2
14) Fixing the federal debt will require ALL of these--ALL...any part is not gonna do it: (1) cutting defense, (2) adjusting social security and Medicaid/Medicare, (3) raising taxes (on everyone, including the rich--add additional upper tax brackets), (4) cutting spending--but discretionary spending is not enough to cover it, and is a red herring. Waiting to "grow" our way out of this is a fantasy. Not going to happen.
Unfortunately you are correct. However, I would be willing to pay higher taxes if certain things were done to benefit the average person, rather than the top 10%
15) Our current mess is not any one president's or congress' fault at this point, and no one person can fix it. It's a severe structural problem, beginning with the Bush tax cuts and compounded by unfunded wars. We will be stuck here for a decade or two, no matter who is elected. Obama's big mistake was to raise expectations.
To an extent you are correct. The progressive movement has sat on its ass the last 30+ years and done nothing while the right wing has chipped away at every victory won from 1930-1976
16) We can be building buildings that use very little energy, very affordable, and we should be building most buildings this way. This includes houses under $150,000 (higher where values are high).
You could actually power one average suburban neighborhood on just one windmill. Imagine what you could do with that plus solar panels in a major city
17) People are living far beyond their means, especially driving cars they can't actually afford. If they demanded more reasonable cars, they'd get them, but first they have to wake up and realize a 7 year car loan is dumb.
Right, blame people for not having the education, or the resources needed to be educated, on intelligent practices. Also, say nothing of the fact that that IS capitalism, buy buy buy, sell sell sell, consume consume consume. Fact remains, we're gonna be out of fossil fuels in the next 20 years, yet very few people are doing anything to prepare for that.
18) There is always work, or the worker can create work. But people honestly don't know how to find those "hidden" jobs or how to create their own work--not a criticism, as this can be difficult. Training would help.
Americans already work more hours per week than any other developed nation. How the hell is it right that a person needs 2 or 3 jobs just to get by?
19) Most--yes, MOST--business owners know little about business. It's why they flail about when conditions change. Again, this is harder than it looks, so not a criticism. It's hard to tell business people this--they don't want to hear it, preferring to assign outside blame.
The species that survive are the ones that are most able to adapt to change
20) We need a green/local/permaculture/biodiversity revolution in the U.S., in the cities as well as the country--community gardens, green rooftops, container gardens, window boxes, and so forth. Take control of our food back from the petroleum industry. Eat real food, not processed. This plus exercise would help the U.S. obesity epidemic.
Agreed. For every person with obesity though, theres another who is starving.
21) Sensible gun legislation does not violate the second Amendment.
Agreed. I dont see why a backround check is such a bad thing
22) The founders did not intend to orchestrate an armed rebellion.
I find it hard to beleive that they didnt know the DOI was going to start a war...
23) The notion that legalizing pot would prove a tax revenue boon is insane. Honestly--people already engaged in illegal activities are going to start paying taxes on those activities?
Umm... Yes, they did it for alcohol. Besides, who are we to regulate morality?
24) The death penalty is expensive retribution, not justice.
Agreed
25) Unions are not an economic problem. They simply don't have the power to influence wages people believe they have, still being bound by market conditions (see an economics text). The current pension issues are governments who failed to responsibly plan for their fiscal obligations, preferring to spend on otherwise unfunded expenditures and to hope for continual growth to cover their tracks. They got caught, and want to blame unions.
Unions would actually have some power if the Dems would back them up once in awhile. Also, the World Bank came out with a study some time ago that stated that countries with a strong labor movement were actually better off economically.

That's enough for now. Here's a little guidance on generic responses and my replies, to save time.

I. Q - "So what you're saying is __________"
A - Fuck you. Read my actual position, instead of making one up.

II. Q - "Typical leftist _________________"
A - Address what's in the actual position, instead of making one up.

I think you get the pattern.

From there, if you want to make up positions for me, I'm not needed for the conversation--just your imaginary friend.

Enjoy!



I did this little critique to illustrate the difference between "leftist" (aka neoliberals) and "progressives" (actual liberals).

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