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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/13/2012 6:28:04 AM

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From ABC News:

Could Bush-Gore election night mess happen again this year?

Remember - a little voter fraud in Florida goes a long, long way...

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/13/2012 6:50:24 AM

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Particularly when it is sanctioned and upheld by the Supreme Court.

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/13/2012 7:06:49 AM

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I believe you missed my point.
All of those things require an ID of some type... yet voting requires no such thing. Voting is infinitely more important than driving a car.

In counter argument, I would suggest you point out to me in the constitution where it is required that you have an ID to do anything?

Google "voter fraud" and tell me how many hits you get. The Republican Primaries are an excellent example. Democrat Primaries are no better. Of course, it would be best if people actually got involved in their political arenas from local to federal level.

The discussion here is voting rights, which IS spelled out in the constitution. Please try to stay on point.

Voting requires no such ID?

Strict Photo ID: Voters must show a photo ID in order to vote. Voters who are unable to show photo ID at the polls are permitted to vote a provisional ballot, which is counted only if the voter returns to election officials within several days after the election to show a photo ID. At the beginning of 2011, there were just two states--Georgia and Indiana--with strict photo ID laws. Six states passed strict photo ID laws in 2011, although four are not currently in effect (see the notes below Table 1 for more information regarding effective dates for new legislation). That leaves four states with strict photo ID laws currently in effect.

Photo ID: Voters are asked to show a photo ID in order to vote. Voters who are unable to show photo ID are still allowed to vote if they can meet certain other critieria. In some states, a voter with ID can vouch for a voter without. Other states ask a voter without ID to provide personal information such as a birth date, or sign an affidavit swearing to his or her identity. Voters without ID are not required to return to election officials after the election and show a photo ID in order to have their ballots counted in the manner that voters without ID in the strict photo ID states are.

Non-Photo ID: All voters must show ID at the polls. The list of acceptable IDs is varied and includes options that do not have a photo, such as a utility bill or bank statement with the voter's name and address. Rhode Island passed a new voter ID law in 2011. It takes effect in stages -- beginning in 2012, voters will be required to show an ID (although not necessarily a photo ID) at the polls, and in 2014 a photo ID requirement will take effect.

http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx

There are 29 states that require some form of ID.

Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck can sign up for as many areas as they desire.

When they show up to actually cast a ballot is when they should have to "prove" who they are.

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/13/2012 8:04:11 AM

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GOP election fraud......year 2000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p0qvAOcl2U

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/13/2012 8:40:03 AM

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I was ultimately transferred to a much nicer location and both of our problems were solved.

Drop the race card. It's so dog eared that we can see it coming a mile away.

You were transferred and they didn't find a need to scrutinize her "zeroness". And that doesn't make you question why they sent you somwhere else?

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/13/2012 12:06:54 PM

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There is a large segment of the Florida electorate that has hispanic surnames and votes overwhelmingly Republican. I wonder what lengths the GOP had to go to to not disenfranchise lots of Cubans?

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/13/2012 7:50:47 PM

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For some reason, inventing excuses to stop non caucasian democrats voting seems more popular in Florida than the rest of the 'States.

Not just minorities he's going after new voters too.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-12-2012/purge-overkill---john-oliver---florida-s-voter-registration-law

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/15/2012 5:45:04 PM

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Thinking is not your strong point, is it? Still, no point you missing a chance to look stupid AGAIN, is there?!!

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/15/2012 8:52:48 PM

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For some reason, inventing excuses to stop non caucasian democrats voting seems more popular in Florida than the rest of the 'States.

Yeah, that must be it.

http://www.pewstates.org/research/reports/inaccurate-costly-and-inefficient-85899378437

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/15/2012 9:25:05 PM

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For some reason, inventing excuses to stop non caucasian democrats voting seems more popular in Florida than the rest of the 'States.

Yeah, that must be it.

http://www.pewstates.org/research/reports/inaccurate-costly-and-inefficient-85899378437

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And how precisely does Florida's purge accomplish anything relevant to that Pew study?

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/15/2012 10:31:23 PM

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For some reason, inventing excuses to stop non caucasian democrats voting seems more popular in Florida than the rest of the 'States.

Yeah, that must be it.

http://www.pewstates.org/research/reports/inaccurate-costly-and-inefficient-85899378437

And how precisely does Florida's purge accomplish anything relevant to that Pew study?

Why don't you follow the thread instead of trying to be clever? How precisely is Florida's attempt to clean up its voter registration roles a dirty trick designed to stop "non caucasian democrats" from voting?

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/15/2012 10:38:03 PM

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Well,one would need to listen and have an interest......1st.

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/15/2012 11:15:01 PM

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This is beyond ridiculous... the waste in postage alone is pathetic... for 10 out of over 400? None of which they state are illegals.... just that they are on Dade's roles.

Well first of all, nobody knew for sure how many bad registrations they'd discover. Finding out was the point of the exercise. And while the numbers are small, the principle isn't. Even granting that the methodology may leave a lot to be desired, it's a simple matter to get straightened out of you're one of the mistakes. Is it better to just ignore people voting illegally than to inconvenience some legal voters by trying to clean up the roles?

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/16/2012 5:34:51 AM

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You're sure that trying to clean up the roles is the object and inconveniencing legal voters is a side effect?

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/16/2012 10:33:59 AM

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This is beyond ridiculous... the waste in postage alone is pathetic... for 10 out of over 400? None of which they state are illegals.... just that they are on Dade's roles.

Well first of all, nobody knew for sure how many bad registrations they'd discover. Finding out was the point of the exercise. And while the numbers are small, the principle isn't. Even granting that the methodology may leave a lot to be desired, it's a simple matter to get straightened out of you're one of the mistakes. Is it better to just ignore people voting illegally than to inconvenience some legal voters by trying to clean up the roles?

K.

Here is my problem... did any of those who asked to be removed vote?

I have no problem with them purging their roles... cleaning up the files, so to speak. But this close to a major election?

I could even see it if they actually said.. "look, these ten people voted x amount of times in the past and they never should have." And, I have a feeling that if actual voter fraud had occurred, we would have heard the screaming in PA from Florida.

Yet, no one has shown any voter fraud. If there was indeed voter fraud, then I would love to see those people prosecuted.

This isnt the first time Florida has done something like this. 1999 - 2000 it was the non-felon list that targeted large numbers of black voters.

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/16/2012 10:43:59 AM

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The only proven example of large scale vote fraud in Florida was back in 2000, and it's the people responsible for that one who are behind this.
Makes it a bit difficult to suspect any altruistic or non partisan motive for choosing to clean the books now, rather than this time last year. That people are seriously trying to defend this with a straight face is hysterically funny, given that.

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/16/2012 2:22:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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For some reason, inventing excuses to stop non caucasian democrats voting seems more popular in Florida than the rest of the 'States.

Yeah, that must be it.

http://www.pewstates.org/research/reports/inaccurate-costly-and-inefficient-85899378437

And how precisely does Florida's purge accomplish anything relevant to that Pew study?

Why don't you follow the thread instead of trying to be clever? How precisely is Florida's attempt to clean up its voter registration roles a dirty trick designed to stop "non caucasian democrats" from voting?

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Because it is removing hispanics but somehow not Cubans.

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/16/2012 3:53:23 PM

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actually I think their 2004 purge was thrown out for forgetting the hispanics....

FL with just a cursory search has a history of disenfranchisement not eliminating illegal votes. You have to be extremely ill informed to be unawarte of how dismal their accuracy record is and howe dark the purge lists are. IMO the best example is the current Gov. was purged as dead in 2007....

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/16/2012 6:39:33 PM

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actually I think their 2004 purge was thrown out for forgetting the hispanics....

FL with just a cursory search has a history of disenfranchisement not eliminating illegal votes. You have to be extremely ill informed to be unawarte of how dismal their accuracy record is and howe dark the purge lists are. IMO the best example is the current Gov. was purged as dead in 2007....

You are talking about voter fraud. How many cases have their been in Florida?

Can no one tell me how many actual cases of voter fraud has occurred in Florida?

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RE: Florida suing federal government - 6/17/2012 5:44:02 AM

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Of course they can't.
That's just an excuse to try to get minority citizens who might vote Democrat off the roles, not an actual problem or anything.

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