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Or drilling Senators through the head, come to that: it wasn't a conservative who shot Gifford, was it?

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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Or drilling Senators through the head, come to that: it wasn't a conservative who shot Gifford, was it?

As the sister of someone who is mentally ill, I believe that discussion of a person with a thought disorder's political beliefs is pointless.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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Independent

I don't think he was Conservative , Liberal or Independent. He was just fucking crazy.

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When this case is shot down it might actually help Obama. Companies might start to hire again when they know Obama Care is unconstitutional and they won't have to deal with the uncertanty of future costs.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Unpopular Mandate

Why do politicians reverse their positions?

by Ezra Klein
June 25, 2012

Republicans turned against the individual mandate after supporting it for two decades.

On March 23, 2010, the day that President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law, fourteen state attorneys general filed suit against the law’s requirement that most Americans purchase health insurance, on the ground that it was unconstitutional. It was hard to find a law professor in the country who took them seriously. “The argument about constitutionality is, if not frivolous, close to it,” Sanford Levinson, a University of Texas law-school professor, told the McClatchy newspapers. Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the law school at the University of California at Irvine, told the Times, “There is no case law, post 1937, that would support an individual’s right not to buy health care if the government wants to mandate it.” Orin Kerr, a George Washington University professor who had clerked for Justice Anthony Kennedy, said, “There is a less than one-per-cent chance that the courts will invalidate the individual mandate.” Today, as the Supreme Court prepares to hand down its decision on the law, Kerr puts the chance that it will overturn the mandate—almost certainly on a party-line vote—at closer to “fifty-fifty.” The Republicans have made the individual mandate the element most likely to undo the President’s health-care law. The irony is that the Democrats adopted it in the first place because they thought that it would help them secure conservative support. It had, after all, been at the heart of Republican health-care reforms for two decades.

...This shift—Democrats lining up behind the Republican-crafted mandate, and Republicans declaring it not just inappropriate policy but contrary to the wishes of the Founders—shocked Wyden. “I would characterize the Washington, D.C., relationship with the individual mandate as truly schizophrenic,” he said.

It was not an isolated case. In 2007, both Newt Gingrich and John McCain wanted a cap-and-trade program in order to reduce carbon emissions. Today, neither they nor any other leading Republicans support cap-and-trade. In 2008, the Bush Administration proposed, pushed, and signed the Economic Stimulus Act, a deficit-financed tax cut designed to boost the flagging economy. Today, few Republicans admit that a deficit-financed stimulus can work. Indeed, with the exception of raising taxes on the rich, virtually every major policy currently associated with the Obama Administration was, within the past decade, a Republican idea in good standing.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/06/25/120625fa_fact_klein#ixzz1yqCK0ZA5

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Yep, that 's my take on it too.

The Republican outrage against the mandate is pretty silly, since it was their idea. The mandate was a compromise in response to a "single payer" plan.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Unpopular Mandate

Why do politicians reverse their positions?

by Ezra Klein
June 25, 2012

Republicans turned against the individual mandate after supporting it for two decades.

On March 23, 2010, the day that President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law, fourteen state attorneys general filed suit against the law’s requirement that most Americans purchase health insurance, on the ground that it was unconstitutional. It was hard to find a law professor in the country who took them seriously. “The argument about constitutionality is, if not frivolous, close to it,” Sanford Levinson, a University of Texas law-school professor, told the McClatchy newspapers. Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the law school at the University of California at Irvine, told the Times, “There is no case law, post 1937, that would support an individual’s right not to buy health care if the government wants to mandate it.” Orin Kerr, a George Washington University professor who had clerked for Justice Anthony Kennedy, said, “There is a less than one-per-cent chance that the courts will invalidate the individual mandate.” Today, as the Supreme Court prepares to hand down its decision on the law, Kerr puts the chance that it will overturn the mandate—almost certainly on a party-line vote—at closer to “fifty-fifty.” The Republicans have made the individual mandate the element most likely to undo the President’s health-care law. The irony is that the Democrats adopted it in the first place because they thought that it would help them secure conservative support. It had, after all, been at the heart of Republican health-care reforms for two decades.

...This shift—Democrats lining up behind the Republican-crafted mandate, and Republicans declaring it not just inappropriate policy but contrary to the wishes of the Founders—shocked Wyden. “I would characterize the Washington, D.C., relationship with the individual mandate as truly schizophrenic,” he said.

It was not an isolated case. In 2007, both Newt Gingrich and John McCain wanted a cap-and-trade program in order to reduce carbon emissions. Today, neither they nor any other leading Republicans support cap-and-trade. In 2008, the Bush Administration proposed, pushed, and signed the Economic Stimulus Act, a deficit-financed tax cut designed to boost the flagging economy. Today, few Republicans admit that a deficit-financed stimulus can work. Indeed, with the exception of raising taxes on the rich, virtually every major policy currently associated with the Obama Administration was, within the past decade, a Republican idea in good standing.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/06/25/120625fa_fact_klein#ixzz1yqCK0ZA5

So. Somehow, a minority of Americans think a free person can be forced to buy something by the Government just by being alive and 21 and they them must somehow miss the obvious fact that forcing someone to do something as a normal part of being alive in the land of the free is just fine.

Incredible.

Not to worry, there are those of us who actually read the constitution and grew up knowing what freedom means, just as the justices did. This is why the justices were obviously amused to the point of being openly critical of the Government's position during arguments.

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America is not a socialist society, where all who can, must pay for all who cannot or will not and simply by an act of Congress we do not change into one, as we will see on Thursday. This is a capitalist society