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subrob1967 -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 12:52:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Oh the punctuation fairy has a stick up its arse over a missing apostrophe HAHAHHAHAHHAH if it gets any tighter you might get a diamond.Keep clenching.
When your friend is running on his success of his time at Bain.... expect the facts to be shown.
Nobody claimed anything you said....
Regarding Obama, I don't see a firm of his claiming $950,000 a year for consulting fee. Try comparing apples to apples or oranges to oranges.
Or not,



How about Obama claiming $5.1 trillion in tax funds from a bankrupt nation?

Again, you can throw all the shit you want at Romney, it won't make Obama look any better.




Owner59 -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 1:37:44 PM)

Give up......before you embarrass yourself.....opps.....to late.



Give up......before you embarrass yourself........further.......




dcnovice -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 2:16:05 PM)

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LOL!!!


Well, it's nice that we can make each other laugh. You do provide some of CM's best entertainment value, MSLA. Very generous of you.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 2:40:30 PM)

And you provide the LEAST intellect. [:D] LOL





itsSIRtou -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 2:41:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

LOL given that companies don't go bankrupt overnight, I think you are retching.... no thats not a misspelling



So Bain wasn't 100% successful, who claimed they were?
And why does it matter?


A lot of businesses went under on Clinton's watch too...BFD
Is Obama's record perfect?
Is there ANYTHING in his past say from 2000 we could point to?

And speaking of misspelled, thats is really spelled that's.



it matters TO ME,....because romney often touts his "real world" economy experience on creating jobs on his time at bain. which he didnt, or are mixed at best. Further more it calls into question his mindset of saying President Obama's policies are flawed when IMO obviously his concepts aren't any better and may indeed be worse.

sure a lot of businesses went under on Clinton's watch, but Clinton (nor Obama for that matter) wasnt driectly involved in their creation nor destruction, - but romney actually IS. now, while the HOPE is that romney learned a lesson from it.... him doing so is NOT what Im hearing from him.






subrob1967 -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 2:52:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

LOL given that companies don't go bankrupt overnight, I think you are retching.... no thats not a misspelling



So Bain wasn't 100% successful, who claimed they were?
And why does it matter?


A lot of businesses went under on Clinton's watch too...BFD
Is Obama's record perfect?
Is there ANYTHING in his past say from 2000 we could point to?

And speaking of misspelled, thats is really spelled that's.



it matters TO ME,....because romney often touts his "real world" economy experience on creating jobs on his time at bain. which he didnt, or are mixed at best. Further more it calls into question his mindset of saying President Obama's policies are flawed when IMO obviously his concepts aren't any better and may indeed be worse.

sure a lot of businesses went under on Clinton's watch, but Clinton (nor Obama for that matter) wasnt driectly involved in their creation nor destruction, - but romney actually IS. now, while the HOPE is that romney learned a lesson from it.... him doing so is NOT what Im hearing from him.






Prove it, how many jobs did Staples and Sports Authority create... How many jobs were outsourced by Bain? How many of these numbers can Romney take credit for?

You guys keep bringing up his time at Bain, with NO FUCKING statistics to back up your arguments... Obama puts out a talking point to attack Romney for his time at Bain, and all of you parrot the talking point without ever proving a fucking thing... So if it really matter to you, show us what data you found that shows that Romney's concepts are worse than the last three years we've experienced under this administration. Romney was successful at Bain, Obama has been a disaster for this country, both of these points are facts. It's only perception and ideology that is blinding you to Obama's total cock up of this economy. Because you certainly haven't shown any facts to prove he's doing well.

It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to claim your opinion is a fact.

We get it, you don't like Romney... Guess what, I don't like him either, but IMO he's a much better gamble than the current President, and I've shown my data as to why I think so.




itsSIRtou -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 3:03:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

And you provide the LEAST intellect. [:D] LOL





right,..... and ur rants & name calling show u above a single-celled amoeba? REALLY?? IMO... I think the words "highly unlikely" works for Me.....

just say'n....




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 3:07:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou



This from the forum SLINKY... completely worthless, but fun to push down stairs.  Just sayin'. [:D] LOL!!!





itsSIRtou -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 3:27:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

LOL given that companies don't go bankrupt overnight, I think you are retching.... no thats not a misspelling



So Bain wasn't 100% successful, who claimed they were?
And why does it matter?


A lot of businesses went under on Clinton's watch too...BFD
Is Obama's record perfect?
Is there ANYTHING in his past say from 2000 we could point to?

And speaking of misspelled, thats is really spelled that's.



it matters TO ME,....because romney often touts his "real world" economy experience on creating jobs on his time at bain. which he didnt, or are mixed at best. Further more it calls into question his mindset of saying President Obama's policies are flawed when IMO obviously his concepts aren't any better and may indeed be worse.

sure a lot of businesses went under on Clinton's watch, but Clinton (nor Obama for that matter) wasnt driectly involved in their creation nor destruction, - but romney actually IS. now, while the HOPE is that romney learned a lesson from it.... him doing so is NOT what Im hearing from him.






Prove it, how many jobs did Staples and Sports Authority create... How many jobs were outsourced by Bain? How many of these numbers can Romney take credit for?

You guys keep bringing up his time at Bain, with NO FUCKING statistics to back up your arguments... Obama puts out a talking point to attack Romney for his time at Bain, and all of you parrot the talking point without ever proving a fucking thing... So if it really matter to you, show us what data you found that shows that Romney's concepts are worse than the last three years we've experienced under this administration. Romney was successful at Bain, Obama has been a disaster for this country, both of these points are facts. It's only perception and ideology that is blinding you to Obama's total cock up of this economy. Because you certainly haven't shown any facts to prove he's doing well.

It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to claim your opinion is a fact.

We get it, you don't like Romney... Guess what, I don't like him either, but IMO he's a much better gamble than the current President, and I've shown my data as to why I think so.



NO u dont get it.... I PERSONALLY dont like romney because he's from the same party that started the USA down this path and like a grinning 1/2 ton great white shark says he's got the solution mired somewhere in the same plan that got us here in the first place.... all u have to do is swim out of the cage and let him do his "thing" while he's not telling much what that "thing" is....

and while ur willing to bet on a smiling shark Im not..... because no matter how u dress up a 1/2 ton great white shark, its still a man-eater, .... and THAT much I know of him....and his party.





MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 3:37:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

...romney often touts his "real world" economy experience on creating jobs on his time at bain. which he didnt



Translation:  Just like all blathering Libs, you can't backup your bullshit. [8|]





erieangel -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 3:50:11 PM)

Staples hires part time employees and pays about $10 an hour or less. Not a good job, no matter how you look at it. If you want to consider Romney a job creator for that, then go work at Staples...

Now I realize the goal of venture capitalism is to earn the highest return possible for the investors. And honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with it if Romney were honest about his time at Bain as being exactly that. But he hasn't been and won't be.

The truth of the matter of is, Romney took money from other people, bought up companies that may or may not have been in financial difficulty and loaded several of them up with unmanageable debt. Romney and his investors earned mega bucks off the deals and the workers got shafted. This is what corporate raiders do, it is not what 'job creators' do.

Staples, Sports Authority and whatever other minimum wage and near-minimum wage jobs Bain Capital happened to have created during Romney's tenure and shortly after he left were purely aborations in these businesses were far more profitable to them to continue to invest in and grow then to run to ruin.






mnottertail -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 3:59:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

...romney often touts his "real world" economy experience on creating jobs on his time at bain. which he didnt



Translation:  Just like all blathering Libs, you can't backup your bullshit. [8|]




You are a fuckin funny guy, man, but completely without credible fact.




subrob1967 -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 4:01:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: erieangel

Staples hires part time employees and pays about $10 an hour or less. Not a good job, no matter how you look at it. If you want to consider Romney a job creator for that, then go work at Staples...

Now I realize the goal of venture capitalism is to earn the highest return possible for the investors. And honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with it if Romney were honest about his time at Bain as being exactly that. But he hasn't been and won't be.

The truth of the matter of is, Romney took money from other people, bought up companies that may or may not have been in financial difficulty and loaded several of them up with unmanageable debt. Romney and his investors earned mega bucks off the deals and the workers got shafted. This is what corporate raiders do, it is not what 'job creators' do.

Staples, Sports Authority and whatever other minimum wage and near-minimum wage jobs Bain Capital happened to have created during Romney's tenure and shortly after he left were purely aborations in these businesses were far more profitable to them to continue to invest in and grow then to run to ruin.





Compared to the 45 million Americans that are out of work under Obama... Oh yeah, Obama should be proud to be known as the food stamps President... Jesse Jackson.

Like I said, you wouldn't vote for him no matter what, so bringing up Bain isn't going to change anyone's mind... Because compared to Obama's experience, Mitt is a fricking master craftsman.




mnottertail -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 4:20:08 PM)

At usury.  Sort of like me. And you, at doughnuts and graft.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 4:37:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

...romney often touts his "real world" economy experience on creating jobs on his time at bain. which he didnt



Translation:  Just like all blathering Libs, you can't backup your bullshit. [8|]




You are a fuckin funny guy, man, but completely without credible fact.


You're a fuckin' silly GIRL, and completely without credible facts -- else you'd have been able to support the stupid Lib claim by your pal that Romney created ZERO jobs.  Care to take another stab at it, Mary... or are you and your BFF just... 


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erieangel -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 4:39:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel

Staples hires part time employees and pays about $10 an hour or less. Not a good job, no matter how you look at it. If you want to consider Romney a job creator for that, then go work at Staples...






Compared to the 45 million Americans that are out of work under Obama... Oh yeah, Obama should be proud to be known as the food stamps President... Jesse Jackson.

Like I said, you wouldn't vote for him no matter what, so bringing up Bain isn't going to change anyone's mind... Because compared to Obama's experience, Mitt is a fricking master craftsman.



You seem to forget, the job losses started under Bush--at about 8,000/month. We've not only stopped shedding jobs under Obama, but we've had 27 straight months job growth. It's been slow, sure, but there has been growth.

You also seem to forget that most newly unemployed people are those from the public sector, victims of Republican austerity measures. While Obama and the private sector have been struggling to grow the economy despite Republican obstruction at every turn, state republican governments have been laying off teachers, fire fighters. police officers and other public employees while cutting taxes in the millions for corporations (think Walker in WI and my own Gov. Corbett in PA and his tax cuts to the fracking companies all while schools districts are facing bankruptcy).





itsSIRtou -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 5:26:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

...romney often touts his "real world" economy experience on creating jobs on his time at bain. which he didnt



Translation:  Just like all blathering Libs, you can't backup your bullshit. [8|]



translate this:......



"As the Iowa ad wars heated up in December, Factcheck.org asked the pro-Romney super PAC Restore our Future to back up the claim in the ad it was running in Iowa that Romney created “thousands of jobs” at Bain. A spokeswoman replied, “We aren’t supplying that information.”

At the start of January, Romney got more specific in his claims, telling “Fox and Friends” that “we helped created over 100,000 new jobs” while at Bain. This time, when queried by the Post’s Glenn Kessler, the Romney campaign backed up the figure by saying it represented the current employment of three companies that Bain had either started or helped grow — Staples, The Sports Authority and Domino’s.

But, as the Post pointed out, this didn’t take into account the jobs lost due to layoffs at firms Bain invested in, particularly during its later-stage leveraged buyout period, and so the statement got a single Pinocchio."


http://www.rightwingnews.com/election-2012/mitt-romney-did-he-create-100-thousand-jobs-or-kill-7-thousand/


AND if u bother to google that theres numerous links to him doing so.....

SOOOO yes Mr. Dont-know-ur-candidate, mitt's claimed he did.... Just doesnt mentioned the layoffs and outsourcing that also cancelled out any he did make

(hmmm,....that single-celled amoeba is starting to look smarter again.... just say'n )

OH....thanks for posting that self portrait of urself with a liberal lable on it.....but we're smart enough to NOT want to claim u...




subrob1967 -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 6:05:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: erieangel


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel

Staples hires part time employees and pays about $10 an hour or less. Not a good job, no matter how you look at it. If you want to consider Romney a job creator for that, then go work at Staples...






Compared to the 45 million Americans that are out of work under Obama... Oh yeah, Obama should be proud to be known as the food stamps President... Jesse Jackson.

Like I said, you wouldn't vote for him no matter what, so bringing up Bain isn't going to change anyone's mind... Because compared to Obama's experience, Mitt is a fricking master craftsman.



You seem to forget, the job losses started under Bush--at about 8,000/month. We've not only stopped shedding jobs under Obama, but we've had 27 straight months job growth. It's been slow, sure, but there has been growth.

You also seem to forget that most newly unemployed people are those from the public sector, victims of Republican austerity measures. While Obama and the private sector have been struggling to grow the economy despite Republican obstruction at every turn, state republican governments have been laying off teachers, fire fighters. police officers and other public employees while cutting taxes in the millions for corporations (think Walker in WI and my own Gov. Corbett in PA and his tax cuts to the fracking companies all while schools districts are facing bankruptcy).


Talk is cheap, you can spout numbers to your little heart's desire. But without proof, your words are just an opinion.

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Job Growth Dismal, Unemployment Hits 9.2 Percent in June
The U.S. unemployment rate has increased for three straight months


By Danielle Kurtzleben
July 8, 2011 RSS Feed Print
Just yesterday, the nation's hopes were high in part on a report from payroll accounting firm ADP that the private sector added 157,000 jobs in June, as well as Labor Department reports of a decrease in new filings for unemployment insurance. But today's official unemployment report dashed those hopes, as the Labor Department announced that the unemployment rate had grown for the third straight month, inching up one-tenth of a percent in June to 9.2 percent.

Equally distressing, the total number of new jobs created in June was a paltry 18,000, the government reported, with government, finance, and construction continuing to be a drag on job growth. Most of the 57,000 new private sector jobs were offset by the loss of 39,000 public-sector jobs. Major gains came in leisure and hospitality, with 34,000 jobs added, and there was also growth in healthcare and manufacturing, which added 13,500 and 6,000 jobs, respectively. Many economists agree that to bring about meaningful shifts in unemployment, the economy must regularly add more than 300,000 jobs per month. Just to stay even with population growth, the economy must create 100,000 to 125,000 new jobs a month.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/07/08/job-growth-dismal-unemployment-hits-92-percent-in-june

That was last June... Here's this June's numbers.

Just keep on grasping at those straws erie... The truth is out there for those who care to look.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 6:16:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

...romney often touts his "real world" economy experience on creating jobs on his time at bain. which he didnt



I realize Libs are beyond slow, so let's try this again... support your above comment that NOT ONE job was created by Romney's efforts.

You do realize what you wrote, right?!!  Now back it up... or do you plan on running your mouth again on something having NOTHING to do with what YOU wrote/claimed?!!

[8|]





MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 7:53:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou



Oh, and PSSST... looky-looky what happens when one "bothers to Google"...


How many jobs did Romney and Bain Capital create?
 
There are two ways to look at job creation. The first is to look at jobs created and lost in Bain Capital’s companies at the time Romney left Bain Capital at the beginning of 1999. The second is to look at jobs created and lost in those same companies today. This gives Romney and Bain Capital credit for having invested in those companies when they were young. It is inappropriate to include companies that Bain Capital invested in after Romney left because he did not have any impact on those investments.
 
While it is difficult, if not impossible, to get employment data on all of Bain Capital’s investments, and not all of the data are perfect, it is possible to look at some of the successes and failures to get a sense of magnitudes.
 
Among Bain Capital’s investments under Romney, the large job creators are clearly Staples and Sports Authority. Both of these were small, young companies when Bain Capital invested in them. Bain invested in Staples when it had only one store, so there were likely fewer than 200 employees at the time. Bain appears to have invested in the Sports Authority when it had fewer than ten stores. Unfortunately, there are no public data to say how many people were employed at that time. At the end of 1998, Staples had more than 42,000 employees, Sports Authority had almost 14,000, Gartner Group had almost 3,000, and Steel Dynamics had over 500. So at the beginning of 1999, when Romney left Bain Capital, these four companies alone employed almost 60,000 total employees. While some of the job growth at Sports Authority came from acquisitions, there is no doubt that these four companies created tens of thousands of jobs over the period.
 
Fast forward to today. By the end of 2011, Staples had about 89,000 employees. Sports Authority is now a private company. The last time it reported employee numbers, in 2006, it had 14,300 employees. In addition, Gartner Group had over 4,400 and Steel Dynamics had over 6,000 employees. Using the most recently available data, these four companies alone employed almost 125,000 total employees.
 
Bain Capital also successfully turned around several existing businesses during Romney’s tenure. For example, Bain Capital bought Wesley Jessen Vision Care for $6 million in 1994. It had been a division of Schering Plough and was not profitable. Bain Capital and a new CEO turned it around and sold it to Ciba Geigy for over $300 million in 2001. When it was sold, it appears to have had 2,600 employees. Today, the company is part of Ciba Vision.
 
Overall, then, the companies Bain Capital funded under Romney have created tens of thousands of jobs using any measure.
 
Source: http://www.american.com/archive/2012/january/how-many-jobs-did-romney-create-at-bain


Awww... I'll bet this really upsets your delusional wittle-wiberal apple cart -- tsk, tsk, tsk. [8|]





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