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tazzygirl -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 9:15:36 PM)

When we asked the Romney camp for support, spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom sent us a list of jobs added at three companies in which Bain had invested, saying that these three examples alone created over 100,000 jobs: Staples, which had 89,000 employees as of Dec. 31, 2010; The Sports Authority, which had 15,000 employees as of July 2011; and Domino’s, which has added 7,900 jobs since 1999.

That’s hardly a rigorous analysis of jobs gained and lost at companies Bain backed. And does Romney deserve credit for all of those jobs? Bain was but one of several investors in The Sports Authority, which was launched with the monetary help of William Blair Venture Partners, Phillips-Smith and Marquette Venture Partners. Not to mention the work of founding executives at the company, such as CEO Jack A. Smith.

Plus, Kmart owned the company for about five years starting in 1990. Does Kmart get credit for whatever job growth occurred then? In 2006, the private equity firm Leonard Green & Partners acquired Sports Authority. Does Bain, and Romney, still get credit for jobs created after the company is bought or sold years later?

Staples, too, was launched with money from William Blair and Bessemer Venture Partners, two firms mentioned by Staples founder and former CEO Tom Stemberg, who, it could be argued, deserves the most credit for jobs added by the office-supply store. In comments published by CNN Money in 2002, Stemberg said that Bain “gave us a boost” by talking them up to Avery Dennison, an office-supply wholesaler.

Determining who gets credit for how many jobs is challenging, to say the least.

As we reported before, Bain managers told the Los Angeles Times that they weren’t focused on creating jobs; they were trying to make money.

Los Angeles Times, Dec. 3: “I never thought of what I do for a living as job creation,” said Marc B. Walpow, a former managing partner at Bain who worked closely with Romney for nine years before forming his own firm. “The primary goal of private equity is to create wealth for your investors.”

And then there are the job losses. Bain took over other companies where layoffs, and even bankruptcies, followed. Romney said that 100,000 figure was “net-net.” So, whatever job creation figure one could use, we’d have to subtract jobs lost, such as 385 jobs cut at American Pad & Paper; 1,900 positions cut or relocated at Dade International; 2,100 workers laid off from DDI Corp.; 2,500 jobs lost at Clear Channel Communications; and 3,400 layoffs at KB Toys. Those examples come from Politico and the New York Times.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/romneys-shaky-job-claims/

Romney changes tune on layoffs




Owner59 -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/23/2012 10:13:41 PM)

You should also be honest and include the jobs Bain created........overseas.......[8|]




itsSIRtou -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/24/2012 12:21:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

...romney often touts his "real world" economy experience on creating jobs on his time at bain. which he didnt



I realize Libs are beyond slow, so let's try this again... support your above comment that NOT ONE job was created by Romney's efforts.

You do realize what you wrote, right?!!  Now back it up... or do you plan on running your mouth again on something having NOTHING to do with what YOU wrote/claimed?!!

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But, as the Post pointed out, this didn’t take into account the jobs lost due to layoffs at firms Bain invested in, particularly during its later-stage leveraged buyout period, and so the statement got a single Pinocchio."


SOOOO yes Mr. Dont-know-ur-candidate, mitt's claimed he did.... Just doesnt mentioned the layoffs and outsourcing that also cancelled out any he did make

so.... Mr. slow..... I never said he didnt make ANY jobs.....BUT its plain that while his company was directly involved there was just as much total job losses, as he might of made.....

and lets be real, (hard that is for ya...) romney doesnt get credit for the companies doing better after bain left them any more than u want to own up to the job losses and bankruptcies of the other companies bain alowed on their watch. hell even he says its "net-net"

....so really?? u thinking (ya right) he's a job creator is as lame as ur name calling.

and just for the record, My apple cart doesnt get upset at all compared to as ur does with all the posturing and name calling that u do. WHY? Because Im confident in who Im voting for. (see signature below) So ur baby talk to Me is coming from just that...a baby. So please, unless ur going to tell Me u wear a diaper, act like an adult if its possible.... if its not I'll understand.... its just cuz ur diapers full.....








subrob1967 -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/24/2012 4:46:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

When we asked the Romney camp for support, spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom sent us a list of jobs added at three companies in which Bain had invested, saying that these three examples alone created over 100,000 jobs: Staples, which had 89,000 employees as of Dec. 31, 2010; The Sports Authority, which had 15,000 employees as of July 2011; and Domino’s, which has added 7,900 jobs since 1999.

That’s hardly a rigorous analysis of jobs gained and lost at companies Bain backed. And does Romney deserve credit for all of those jobs? Bain was but one of several investors in The Sports Authority, which was launched with the monetary help of William Blair Venture Partners, Phillips-Smith and Marquette Venture Partners. Not to mention the work of founding executives at the company, such as CEO Jack A. Smith.

Plus, Kmart owned the company for about five years starting in 1990. Does Kmart get credit for whatever job growth occurred then? In 2006, the private equity firm Leonard Green & Partners acquired Sports Authority. Does Bain, and Romney, still get credit for jobs created after the company is bought or sold years later?

Staples, too, was launched with money from William Blair and Bessemer Venture Partners, two firms mentioned by Staples founder and former CEO Tom Stemberg, who, it could be argued, deserves the most credit for jobs added by the office-supply store. In comments published by CNN Money in 2002, Stemberg said that Bain “gave us a boost” by talking them up to Avery Dennison, an office-supply wholesaler.

Determining who gets credit for how many jobs is challenging, to say the least.

As we reported before, Bain managers told the Los Angeles Times that they weren’t focused on creating jobs; they were trying to make money.

Los Angeles Times, Dec. 3: “I never thought of what I do for a living as job creation,” said Marc B. Walpow, a former managing partner at Bain who worked closely with Romney for nine years before forming his own firm. “The primary goal of private equity is to create wealth for your investors.”

And then there are the job losses. Bain took over other companies where layoffs, and even bankruptcies, followed. Romney said that 100,000 figure was “net-net.” So, whatever job creation figure one could use, we’d have to subtract jobs lost, such as 385 jobs cut at American Pad & Paper; 1,900 positions cut or relocated at Dade International; 2,100 workers laid off from DDI Corp.; 2,500 jobs lost at Clear Channel Communications; and . Those examples come from Politico and the New York Times.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/romneys-shaky-job-claims/

Romney changes tune on layoffs


They also don't mention the construction jobs created in building each and every store, or the transportation jobs created by the distribution of goods from the warehouse to each store.... I believe the President calls them "shovel ready" jobs.[;)]

Not to mention the lay offs at DDI happened in 2003, 4 years AFTER Romney left Bain. There's always two sides to every story, and this appears to be just another attempt at one sided character assassination by the left.




tj444 -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/24/2012 5:13:18 AM)

I find it interesting (& rather amusing) that (Democrat) Bill Clinton has come out against Obama's anti-private equity/anti-Bain ads/campaign..

"Adding that he has "friends" in the private equity business," Clinton suggested it was dangerous for Democrats to go after Romney's record at Bain Capital—adding that in private equity, "like everything else you try, you don't always succeed" in saving companies or making them more productive."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/bill-clinton-criticizes-obamas-bain-attacks-praises-romneys/story?id=16474493

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/bill-clinton-sticks-another-fork-in-obamas-bain-strategy/2012/06/01/gJQAt87r6U_blog.html

Just sayin'.. [;)]
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Lucylastic -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/24/2012 5:38:39 AM)

he also has his own...failures:)id say most pols do, trying to throw off attacks to cover ones own ass, is the hallmark of politics




tazzygirl -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/24/2012 5:39:57 AM)

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They also don't mention the construction jobs created in building each and every store, or the transportation jobs created by the distribution of goods from the warehouse to each store.... I believe the President calls them "shovel ready" jobs.

Not to mention the lay offs at DDI happened in 2003, 4 years AFTER Romney left Bain. There's always two sides to every story, and this appears to be just another attempt at one sided character assassination by the left.


I think it shows that neither side can prove nor disprove the claim.




Musicmystery -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/24/2012 7:49:15 AM)

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How many jobs did Romney and Bain Capital create?


If Romney wants to continue creating jobs at Bain Capital, I have no problem with that.

As President, not so much.




mnottertail -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/24/2012 2:58:19 PM)

Staples went from 200 employees to 1100 when Romney (and Bain) got out with 13+ for the entire 2.5 investment.  89 to 01.  So you got 900 (and I would assume that Staples created some of those jobs without Romneys spearheading) So, a little less than 100 jobs a year.

OK.  Huge stuff. 




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/24/2012 3:21:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Obama's forced dependence on foreign oil


As of 2011, we're a net petroleum exporter.

"For the first time since 1949, the United States exported more gasoline, heating oil and diesel fuel last year than it imported, the Energy Department reported today.

"Bloomberg writes that to offset weak U.S. demand, refiners exported 439,000 barrels a day more than were imported the year before. In 2010, daily imports averaged 269,000 barrels, according to the Petroleum Supply Monthly report.

"Imports of crude oil and related products fell 11% last year, reaching a level not seen since 1995."

"Shipments abroad of petroleum products exceeded imports by 439,000 barrels a day, the department said today in the Petroleum Supply Monthly report. In 2010, daily net imports averaged 269,000 barrels. U.S. refiners exported record amounts of gasoline, heating oil and diesel to meet higher global fuel demand while U.S. fuel consumption sank.

"Oil demand in Latin America will climb 2.5 percent to 6.64 million barrels a day this year, while contracting 2.4 percent in Europe and 0.5 percent in North America, the Paris-based International Energy Agency said Feb. 10. Mexico’s use of U.S.- made gasoline was 44 percent higher last year than in 2010, Energy Department data show.

“There’s stronger global demand for clean fuels and stronger demand for fuel, outpacing production in places like South America,” said Sander Cohan, a global transportation fuels analyst and principal with Energy Security Analysis Inc. in Wakefield, Massachusetts."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/02/us-exported-more-gasoline-than-imported-last-year/1#.T-S8MXA1k30
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/u-s-was-net-oil-product-exporter-in-2011.html

So hardly dependent. Those foreigners are our customers.



"Fuel"....not "Petroleum".

Fuel is "processed" petroleum, petroleum is crude oil, crude oil is what comes out of the ground, fuel is what comes out of a refinery.

We are a net exporter of fuel.

If we were a net exporter of petroleum, we would not be all that worried about what they do in the Straight of Hormuz, nor would we be "importing" 40 some percent of our energy.

(It's still a huge improvement over 10 years ago).




subrob1967 -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/24/2012 5:24:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Staples went from 200 employees to 1100 when Romney (and Bain) got out with 13+ for the entire 2.5 investment.  89 to 01.  So you got 900 (and I would assume that Staples created some of those jobs without Romneys spearheading) So, a little less than 100 jobs a year.

OK.  Huge stuff. 


So he was successful at Bain... We already knew that... It's a shame we can't say the same for the President.




Owner59 -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/24/2012 6:43:19 PM)

"Romney Spokesman Plays Dumb About Bain And Says Obama Outsourced – To Nebraska"

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"A recent Washington Post article lead with this paragraph, “Mitt Romney’s financial company, Bain Capital, invested in a series of firms that specialized in relocating jobs done by American workers to new facilities in low-wage countries like China and India.” On Sunday’s State of the Union with Candy Crowley, Romney surrogate Ed Gillespie didn’t exactly deny the Washington Post’s claim, but he did say that he thought the reporter didn’t know the difference between outsourcing (as in having certain functions performed by a contractor) and outsourcing of jobs to overseas facilities."

"The Washington Post article was very specific. It profiled six companies, including Computer Software, Inc, who according to SEC filings outsourced their call centers to Europe and Japan. Stream International Inc. also sent its call center operations to Asia and Europe. Modus Media Inc., a software company, outsourced to Australia, Europe, Asia and (possibly what Gillespie was referring to), to the United States. GT Bicycle Inc. moved its manufacturing to China. SMTC was a Colorado company who made circuit boards. After Bain’s takeover, the jobs were shipped to Ireland and Mexico. McKinsey Global Institute claims that about $20 billion of its information technology work has been moved abroad.

If anyone need lessons in the definition of outsourcing, especially as it pertains to Bain Capital, it’s Gillespie. The fact is, there would be absolutely no reason that Bain Capital wouldn’t outsource the jobs. They have one job and that job is to turn a profit. The reason that American companies outsource is that it helps the bottom line. Cheaper labor and fewer regulations mean higher profit. In that light, it would almost be irresponsible of Bain to not outsource.

Therein lies the problem with Mitt Romney. His entire career has been about turning a profit and he’s actually quite good at it, but the profit often, if not almost always, came at the expense of people, people who lost jobs and pensions. Imagine if Romney gave a second thought to the lives he ruined? Imagine if he lost sleep over the fact that people lost their livelihoods because of him. Imagine if he cared. I’m sure he would never have made a success of himself in that type of business.

The fact that Mitt Romney lacks compassion and empathy is what makes him a great vulture capitalist. The fact that Mitt Romney lacks compassion and empathy is what would make him a lousy President"


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/06/24/romney-spokesman-plays-dumb-about-bain-and-says-obama-outsourced-to-nebraska-video/




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/24/2012 7:24:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

So he was successful at Bain... We already knew that...



Bill Clinton agrees...

"The man who has been governor and had a sterling
business career crosses the qualification threshold."
 
-- Bill Clinton
 
[:D]
 
 




MrRodgers -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/24/2012 8:07:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

When we asked the Romney camp for support, spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom sent us a list of jobs added at three companies in which Bain had invested, saying that these three examples alone created over 100,000 jobs: Staples, which had 89,000 employees as of Dec. 31, 2010; The Sports Authority, which had 15,000 employees as of July 2011; and Domino’s, which has added 7,900 jobs since 1999.

That’s hardly a rigorous analysis of jobs gained and lost at companies Bain backed. And does Romney deserve credit for all of those jobs? Bain was but one of several investors in The Sports Authority, which was launched with the monetary help of William Blair Venture Partners, Phillips-Smith and Marquette Venture Partners. Not to mention the work of founding executives at the company, such as CEO Jack A. Smith.

Plus, Kmart owned the company for about five years starting in 1990. Does Kmart get credit for whatever job growth occurred then? In 2006, the private equity firm Leonard Green & Partners acquired Sports Authority. Does Bain, and Romney, still get credit for jobs created after the company is bought or sold years later?

Staples, too, was launched with money from William Blair and Bessemer Venture Partners, two firms mentioned by Staples founder and former CEO Tom Stemberg, who, it could be argued, deserves the most credit for jobs added by the office-supply store. In comments published by CNN Money in 2002, Stemberg said that Bain “gave us a boost” by talking them up to Avery Dennison, an office-supply wholesaler.

Determining who gets credit for how many jobs is challenging, to say the least.

As we reported before, Bain managers told the Los Angeles Times that they weren’t focused on creating jobs; they were trying to make money.

Los Angeles Times, Dec. 3: “I never thought of what I do for a living as job creation,” said Marc B. Walpow, a former managing partner at Bain who worked closely with Romney for nine years before forming his own firm. “The primary goal of private equity is to create wealth for your investors.”

And then there are the job losses. Bain took over other companies where layoffs, and even bankruptcies, followed. Romney said that 100,000 figure was “net-net.” So, whatever job creation figure one could use, we’d have to subtract jobs lost, such as 385 jobs cut at American Pad & Paper; 1,900 positions cut or relocated at Dade International; 2,100 workers laid off from DDI Corp.; 2,500 jobs lost at Clear Channel Communications; and 3,400 layoffs at KB Toys. Those examples come from Politico and the New York Times.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/romneys-shaky-job-claims/

Romney changes tune on layoffs

All very probably true but look people, it doesn't matter how, why or who created the jobs...they were created. It doesn't matter that billions in equity in these deals is achieved by eliminating jobs. Off-shoring yes, reorganized no except the generous incentives.

Thus we need to look at the incentives and we attach to these deals certain benefits directly as a result. For example:

Heard of ERISA ? Wouldn't be surprised if you hadn't, most don't have any idea. It is the 'Employee Retirement Income Security Act.' What did that do ? It protected the entire retirement portfolio against the vultures (like Bain et al) from in-effect, stealing it. First, it was that, then medical benefits, then other benefits, then your job.

We create some very special terms for the tax incentives and allow equity investors (partners) hold these companies, stocks or other assets for a year and pay only 15% federal tax.

Remove the incentives, redirect capital to actually doing something or making something. Then you'll see job creation.




mnottertail -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/25/2012 7:07:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Staples went from 200 employees to 1100 when Romney (and Bain) got out with 13+ for the entire 2.5 investment.  89 to 01.  So you got 900 (and I would assume that Staples created some of those jobs without Romneys spearheading) So, a little less than 100 jobs a year.

OK.  Huge stuff. 


So he was successful at Bain... We already knew that... It's a shame we can't say the same for the President.


He is successful at looking out for his own, nobody else.  Much like Arbusto.  Didn't hurt W a bit.

So, unless he is going to finance the entire USA with his money, you got an epic fail on the 'what he done' bit. 




subrob1967 -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/25/2012 8:50:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
He is successful at looking out for his own, nobody else.  Much like Arbusto.  Didn't hurt W a bit.

So, unless he is going to finance the entire USA with his money, you got an epic fail on the 'what he done' bit. 



Oh I don't know, Obama's been pretty fucking good at looking after himself and his family too, with trips to Spain & African safari's, and spring breaks in Mexico for the kids, and their whole class... Despite the travel advisory for the rest of us 99%ers... I mean, who's gonna fuck with 40 machine gun armed Gringos, eh Essay?




mnottertail -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/25/2012 8:53:48 AM)

you don hispeekie englitch no gooder than you hispeekie spinach. 

So, this is your idea of a compelling reason to vote for the rino Willard?





subrob1967 -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/25/2012 8:58:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

you don hispeekie englitch no gooder than you hispeekie spinach. 

So, this is your idea of a compelling reason to vote for the rino Willard?




Where did I say I was going to vote for Romney? Can you provide a link?




mnottertail -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/25/2012 9:05:50 AM)

No, it is clear you are ineligible.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth (6/25/2012 5:19:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Staples went from 200 employees to 1100 when Romney (and Bain) got out with 13+ for the entire 2.5 investment.  89 to 01.  So you got 900 (and I would assume that Staples created some of those jobs without Romneys spearheading) So, a little less than 100 jobs a year.

OK.  Huge stuff. 


So he was successful at Bain... We already knew that... It's a shame we can't say the same for the President.


He is successful at looking out for his own, nobody else.  Much like Arbusto.  Didn't hurt W a bit.

So, unless he is going to finance the entire USA with his money, you got an epic fail on the 'what he done' bit. 


So I guess anyone that doesn't take all their profits (anything left over after all the bills come due)...is an anarchist intent on destroying America.

Let's hear from all the dissenters what they've done this week, last month, last year etc. to create jobs by being selfless and taking anything that's in their 401K, other savings, equity in their homes, equity in their cars....and instead of using same for their own selfish pleasures....instead....used those funds for creation of jobs.

What? That's not the same?

Of course it's not. It's only true if you have millions, or even hundreds of thousands.

Riiiiiiight.




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