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Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 10:14:05 AM   
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Mitt Romney opened the door for attacks on Bain Capital's history of outsourcing American jobs.
FORTUNE -- Is Mitt Romney an American job creator, or an American job destroyer?
That's the question posed by a 1,632-word piece in today's Washington Post, which details how Bain Capital invested in several companies that both directly and indirectly encouraged American jobs to be shipped overseas.
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To be sure, there is nothing surprising about a private equity firm being involved in what is now known as "business process outsourcing." It's big business, with Pitchbook reporting that private equity firms have made 333 BPO investments valued at nearly $27 billion since the beginning of 2011 (although not all of them necessarily involve U.S. jobs being lost, as "outsourcing" is sometimes distinct from "offshoring").
Likewise, Romney's Bain Capital makes sense as one of the earlier adopters. Not only because it was one of the earlier private equity firms to exist, but also because of its strong ties to management consulting firm Bain & Company.
Similar lack of shock for WaPo's (fairly lackluster) case that Bain Capital also encouraged its non-BPO portfolio companies to take advantage of outsourcing trends. In fact, one of Romney's former colleagues recently told me: "In the 1980's, private equity made a lot of its money by stripping and flipping. In the 1990's and early 2000's, it was about outsourcing. Since then, it's been about growth." No shame or sense of regret. Just matter-of-fact.

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/22/romney-outsourcing-bain/?section=magazines_fortune
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but but but, I thought outsourcing was .... union caused....

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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 11:38:07 AM   
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Baroccoli O'Failure's Unfortunate Truth...


Obama Is America's Biggest Job Outsourcer

Jobs: The same president who used stimulus dollars to build electric cars in Finland and sought to be Brazil's best oil customer now complains the GOP nominee built his career outsourcing jobs. At least he created some.

President Obama's re-election campaign released an ad Tuesday saying Mitt Romney "shipped American jobs to places like Mexico and China" when he led the investment firm Bain Capital.

The $780,000 ad buy in the key swing states of Ohio, Iowa and Virginia was in response to an ad by the free-market group Americans for Prosperity (AFP) noting the administration's penchant for wasting taxpayer money in support of green energy companies, particularly those overseas or with foreign owners.

Among other things, AFP noted, the Obama administration approved a plan by electric car company Fisker to use part of its $529 million federal stimulus loan guarantee to build its manufacturing facility, and the 500 jobs it supports, in Finland.

Now comes Obama's counterattack — an odd charge since he seeks to block the Keystone XL pipeline from Canada that would create 20,000 jobs fast and hundreds of thousands of jobs in an economic ripple effect.

This is also an administration that applauded the U.S. Export-Import Bank's plan to loan Brazil's state-run Petrobras $2 billion, with the promise of more to follow, at a time when Obama was railing against tax incentives for U.S. oil companies and still is.

With an offshore drilling ban in effect off both coasts, Alaska's continental shelf, ANWR and much of the Gulf of Mexico, with a de facto moratorium covering the rest, Obama told the Brazilians: "We want to help you with the technology and support to develop these oil reserves safely, and when you're ready to start selling, we want to be one of your best customers."

Obama's forced dependence on foreign oil — while we leave vast reserves in the ground — has resulted in the acceleration of the greatest transfer of job-creating wealth overseas in history to the tune of hundreds of billions annually.

Why we can't be our own best energy company, keeping jobs and cash here, is the fault of a president beholden to groups opposed to any American oil drilling.

Recently, Government Motors, aka GM, whose international headquarters are in Shanghai, announced it would be developing an electric car platform with its longtime Chinese partner, Shanghai Automotive Industrial Corp. (SAIC).

Obama has no problem with that.

As part of doing business in China, GM, which became virtually a wholly owned subsidiary of the U.S. government, must share its taxpayer-subsidized technology with Beijing as a cost of doing business there, including the tech used in the heavily subsidized Chevy Volt.

State-of-the-art battery technology developed by Ener1, which had a $118 million stimulus funded credit line before it went bankrupt — and was supposed to rejuvenate the American auto industry — is now owned outright by Boris Zingarevich, a Russian businessman with ties to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

One of the administration's latest green boondoggles is a $773 million loan for Severstal North America to expand and retool the old Rouge steel mill in Dearborn, Mich., to make high-strength steel needed to make lighter, more fuel-efficient cars.

The problem is that this kind of steel is already being produced in sufficient quantities, including by Severstal, and the company getting the loan is owned by Russian billionaire Alexei Mordashov. As one of the world's richest men with a net worth estimated at $19 billion, he hardly should be the recipient of our subsidy.

Mitt Romney and Bain Capital oversaw the creation of tens of thousands of jobs by companies like Staples, Sports Authority and Domino's Pizza.

Obama would maintain the highest corporate tax rate in the world, a job-outsourcing energy policy, expand job-killing regulations, impose job-killing ObamaCare and the Buffett Rule, which would penalize job-creating risk takers and entrepreneurs.

It is Obama who is outsourcing American jobs and downsizing the American economy.

Source: http://news.investors.com/article/610113/201205021856/obama-accuses-romney-of-outsourcing-jobs.htm?p=full





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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 11:39:58 AM   
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Ja, except our biggest EXPORT monetarily is petroleum products.

So, something is rotten in YOUR Denmark.

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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 11:42:02 AM   
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MSLA can you actually stick to the topic instead of attempting to make it about obama???

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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 11:43:11 AM   
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Obama's forced dependence on foreign oil


As of 2011, we're a net petroleum exporter.

"For the first time since 1949, the United States exported more gasoline, heating oil and diesel fuel last year than it imported, the Energy Department reported today.

"Bloomberg writes that to offset weak U.S. demand, refiners exported 439,000 barrels a day more than were imported the year before. In 2010, daily imports averaged 269,000 barrels, according to the Petroleum Supply Monthly report.

"Imports of crude oil and related products fell 11% last year, reaching a level not seen since 1995."

"Shipments abroad of petroleum products exceeded imports by 439,000 barrels a day, the department said today in the Petroleum Supply Monthly report. In 2010, daily net imports averaged 269,000 barrels. U.S. refiners exported record amounts of gasoline, heating oil and diesel to meet higher global fuel demand while U.S. fuel consumption sank.

"Oil demand in Latin America will climb 2.5 percent to 6.64 million barrels a day this year, while contracting 2.4 percent in Europe and 0.5 percent in North America, the Paris-based International Energy Agency said Feb. 10. Mexico’s use of U.S.- made gasoline was 44 percent higher last year than in 2010, Energy Department data show.

“There’s stronger global demand for clean fuels and stronger demand for fuel, outpacing production in places like South America,” said Sander Cohan, a global transportation fuels analyst and principal with Energy Security Analysis Inc. in Wakefield, Massachusetts."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/02/us-exported-more-gasoline-than-imported-last-year/1#.T-S8MXA1k30
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/u-s-was-net-oil-product-exporter-in-2011.html

So hardly dependent. Those foreigners are our customers.



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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 12:20:12 PM   
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You Libs scream Romney sent jobs overseas. Then you nicely source how we export more oil than we use. Obviously, if the foreigners don't have jobs, they can't buy our oil products. To procure and refine oil, we need oil wells, drilling equipment, well supplies, Drivers to deliver the supplies, pipeline construction, welders, etc., etc, etc. HERE in the USA. I would like to thank you Libs for providing reliable sources showing how Romney is providing jobs. In a roundabout way, but net result is JOBS. You know, something Obama knows NOTHING about.

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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 12:27:18 PM   
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Slow down there, Sparky.

Your first problem is the "you Libs" shit. If you bothered to read instead of reach for straw men, you'd know I'm a very long time advocate of global trade and working on our exports. I frequently get shit from all sides and political persuasions on that. I also haven't provided any of the shit you're wailing about.

You tell me there, Genius. What's the problem with creating jobs here by exporting our petroleum products, as we used to do in 1949? Who do you think is doing that work, the Oil Fairy? Lose the "you ____" crap and find a mirror---you are nothing but knee-jerk reaction with no point here.

Production HAS increased here. Significantly. Get a clue. Read data, instead of measuring your attitude.

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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 12:28:59 PM   
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quote:

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You Libs scream Romney sent jobs overseas. Then you nicely source how we export more oil than we use. Obviously, if the foreigners don't have jobs, they can't buy our oil products. To procure and refine oil, we need oil wells, drilling equipment, well supplies, Drivers to deliver the supplies, pipeline construction, welders, etc., etc, etc. HERE in the USA. I would like to thank you Libs for providing reliable sources showing how Romney is providing jobs. In a roundabout way, but net result is JOBS. You know, something Obama knows NOTHING about.

So outsourcing good jobs results in really crappy jobs being produced here? I'll take the good jobs back here instead.

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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 12:32:44 PM   
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And now... The rest of the story...

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At first, Bain Capital focused on venture capital opportunities.[25] One of Bain's earliest and most notable venture investments was in Staples, Inc., the office supply retailer. The funding enabled Staples to expand from one store in 1986 to over 2000 stores in 2011. In 1986, Bain provided $4.5 million to two supermarket executives, Leo Kahn and Thomas G. Stemberg, to open an office supply supermarket in Brighton, Massachusetts.[26] The fast-growing retail chain went public in 1989[27] and in 1996 the company had grown to over 1,100 stores.[28] Bain Capital eventually reaped a nearly sevenfold return on its investment, and Romney sat on the Staples board of directors for over a decade

1990s

Beginning in 1989, the firm, which began as a venture capital source investing in start-up companies, adjusted its strategy to focus on leveraged buyouts and growth capital investments in more mature companies.[31] By the end of 1990, Bain had raised $175 million of capital and financed 35 companies with combined revenues of $3.5 billion.[32]

In July 1992, Bain acquired Ampad (originally American Pad & Paper) from Mead Corporation, which had acquired the company in 1986. Mead which had been experiencing difficulties integrating Ampad's products into its existing product lines, generated a cash gain of $56 million on the sale.[33] Under Bain's ownership, the company enjoyed a significant growth in sales from $106.7 million in 1992 to $583.9 million in 1996, when the company was listed on the New York Stock Exchange. Under Bain's ownership, the company also made a number of acquisitions, including writing products company SCM in July 1994, brand names from the American Trading and Production Corporation in August 1995, WR Acquisition and the Williamhouse-Regency Division of Delaware, Inc. in October, 1995, Niagara Envelope Company, Inc. in 1996, and Shade/Allied, Inc. in February 1997.[34] Ampad's revenue began to decline in 1997 and the company laid off employees and closed production facilities to maintain profitability. However, the company filed for bankruptcy in 2001 and the assets were acquired in 2003 by Crescent Investments. Bain's ownership of Ampad, is estimated to have generated more than $100 million in profit for Bain.[35]

In 1994, Bain acquired Totes, a producer of umbrellas and overshoes.[36] Three years later, Totes, under Bain’s ownership, acquired Isotoner, a producer of leather gloves.[37]

Bain, together with Thomas H. Lee Partners, acquired Experian, the consumer credit reporting business of TRW, in 1996 for more than $1 billion. Formerly known as TRW's Information Systems and Services unit, Experian is one of the leading providers of credit reports on consumers and businesses in the US.[38] The company was sold to Great Universal Stores for $1.7 billion just months after being acquired.[39] Other notable Bain investments of the late 1990s included Sealy Corporation, the manufacturer of mattresses;[40] Alliance Laundry Systems;[41] Domino's Pizza[42] and Artisan Entertainment.[43]

Much of the firm's profits was earned from a relatively small number of deals, with Bain Capital's overall success and failure rate being about even. One study of 68 deals that Bain Capital made up through the 1990s found that the firm lost money or broke even on 33 of them.[44] Another study that looked at the eight-year period following 77 deals during the same time found that in 17 cases the company went bankrupt or out of business, and in 6 cases Bain Capital lost all its investment. But 10 deals were very successful and represented 70 percent of the total profits.[45]

By the end of the decade, Bain Capital was on its way to being one of the top private equity firms in the nation,[24] having increased its number of partners from 5 to 18, having 115 employees overall, and having $4 billion under its management.[19][20] It had made between 100 and 150 deals where it acquired and then sold a company.[29][44][45] Bain Capital's approach of applying consulting expertise to the companies it invested in became widely copied within the private equity industry.[20][46] University of Chicago Booth School of Business economist Steven Kaplan would later say that the firm "came up with a model that was very successful and very innovative and that now everybody uses."[21]

Romney took two leaves of absence from Bain Capital during the first half of the decade. From January 1991 to December 1992,[47][25] Romney served as the CEO of Bain & Company where he led the successful turnaround of the consulting firm. In November 1993, he took a leave of absence for his unsuccessful 1994 run for the U.S. Senate seat from Massachusetts; he returned the day after the election in November 1994.[48][25][49] Romney took a final leave of absence from Bain Capital in February 1999 when he became the head of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympics.[50] Although he had left open the possibility of returning to Bain after the Olympics, Romney made his crossover to politics permanent with an announcement in August 2001.[50] Romney negotiated a retirement agreement with Bain Capital that allowed him to receive a passive profit share and interest in Bain Capital investment funds in exchange for his ownership in the management company.[51][52]

In 1993 Bain acquired the Armco Worldwide Grinding System steel plant in Kansas City, Missouri and merged it with its steel plant in Georgetown, South Carolina to form GST Steel. The Kansas City plant had a strike in 1997 and Bain closed the plant in 2001 laying off 750 workers when it went into bankruptcy. The South Carolina plant closed in 2003 but subsequently reopened under a different owner. At the time of its bankruptcy it reported $553.9 million in debts against $395.2 in assets. It was charged later[by whom?] that Bain had taken $58.4 million out of the company in profits while saddling with debt and underfunding the employee pension by $44 million.[53][54][55][56]

Bain's investment in Dade Behring represented a significant investment in the medical diagnostics industry. In 1994, Bain, together with Goldman Sachs Capital Partners completed a carveout acquisition of Dade International,[57] the medical diagnostics division of Baxter International in a $440 million acquisition. Dade's private equity owners merged the company with DuPont's in vitro diagnostics business in May 1996 and subsequently with the Behring Diagnostics division of Hoechst AG in 1997.[58] Aventis, the successor of Hoechst, acquired 52% of the combined company.[59] In 1999, the company reported $1.3 billion of revenue and completed a $1.25 billion leveraged recapitalization that resulted in a payout to shareholders.[58] The dividend, taken together with other previous shareholder dividends resulted in an eightfold return on investment to Bain Capital and Goldman Sachs.[29][45] Revenues declined from 1999 through 2002 and despite attempts to cut costs through layoffs the company entered into bankruptcy in 2002. Following its restructuring, Dade Behring emerged from Bankruptcy in 2003 and continued to operate independently until 2007 when the business was acquired by Siemens Medical Solutions. Bain and Goldman lost their remaining stock in the company as part of the bankruptcy.[60]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_Capital

So what the author of the hit piece has omitted is how much success Bain had while Romney was a partner, that Romney left the firm in 1999,

He also failed to mention that Bain funded Staples, Sports Authority, & Steel Dynamics. Instead he focuses on one of their many job sourcing consulting strategies.

All of this came out during Romney's governor's campaign, there is nothing new here, and I find it amazing that you make a big deal over this, while pshawing the President's Fast & Furious scandal.

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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 12:35:42 PM   
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Staples the definition of an outsourcing company you mean? WTF? You are your own worst enemy.  See if you can delete that, many folks will think it looks tres stupid.

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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 12:38:33 PM   
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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 12:45:35 PM   
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All of this came out during Romney's governor's campaign, there is nothing new here, and I find it amazing that you make a big deal over this, while pshawing the President's Fast & Furious scandal.


WHAT are you talking about?

*I haven't said a word about Bain Capital, on any thread
*I don't oppose outsourcing. I never have. I take heat here for supporting globalization regularly. In fact, I outsource--my web people are in Brazil. My marketing people are in Canada.
*I haven't said anything about Mitt's job creation either.
*I haven't said anything about F&F either, beyond watching the show and repeating what you and Sanity are saying---which seems to bother you...not very strong positions apparently.

I *DID* point out an error about "our dependence on foreign oil," noting that since 2011, and for the first time since 1949, we are again a net petroleum exporter.

So WHAT are YOU talking about?



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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 12:47:41 PM   
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MSLA can you actually stick to the topic instead of attempting to make it about obama???

No, I don't think she can.

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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 12:49:46 PM   
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Staples the definition of an outsourcing company you mean? WTF? You are your own worst enemy.  See if you can delete that, many folks will think it looks tres stupid.



Where did I say that? Chum, you really need comprehension lessons.

Staples went from ONE store to TWO THOUSAND store thanks to Bain... And with those stores came construction jobs, staffing, distribution centers, warehouse workers, and transportation jobs.

The AUTHOR and the OP are complaining about ONE small part of Bain's staffing strategy, which was outsourcing of staffing jobs. The OP and the AUTHOR are trying to make a case that Bain under Romney OUTSOURCED more jobs than they CREATED here in the US.

I said Staples went from ONE store to TWO THOUSAND store thanks to Bain... And with those stores came construction, staffing, distribution centers, warehouse workers, and transportation jobs.

The same thing happened with the Sports Authority chain, so Romney's claim that Bain created over 100,000 jobs is likely to be much more accurate than the claim that Bain outsourced more jobs than they helped create... Like the author and the OP are trying to claim.

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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 12:51:20 PM   
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Outsourcing started when Clinton signed the North American Free Trade Act and this act encouraged and in fact now required U.S. companies to outsource in order to compete in a global marketplace. So, in order to save a company that must compete in a global maketplace one must outsource some jobs. Typically it is the I.T. and customer call centers and of course manufacturing. I lump shipping in-house jobs to Mexico by American Auto companies into the out-sourcing category. This led to whole sections of auto economy based cities to turn into ghost towns.

So, Romney did not invent outsourcing, the Democrates did, and he is simply coping with that situation and doing what he must to save a U.S. company. Well done.

So, along that line, what happened to Obama's campaign promise to return manufacturing to the U.S.?

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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 12:51:53 PM   
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All of this came out during Romney's governor's campaign, there is nothing new here, and I find it amazing that you make a big deal over this, while pshawing the President's Fast & Furious scandal.


WHAT are you talking about?

*I haven't said a word about Bain Capital, on any thread
*I don't oppose outsourcing. I never have. I take heat here for supporting globalization regularly. In fact, I outsource--my web people are in Brazil. My marketing people are in Canada.
*I haven't said anything about Mitt's job creation either.
*I haven't said anything about F&F either, beyond watching the show and repeating what you and Sanity are saying---which seems to bother you...not very strong positions apparently.

I *DID* point out an error about "our dependence on foreign oil," noting that since 2011, and for the first time since 1949, we are again a net petroleum exporter.

So WHAT are YOU talking about?


Who was replying to you? I was replying to the OP, like we're supposed to be doing... What you and MSLA want to discuss is your business.


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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 12:52:45 PM   
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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 12:53:48 PM   
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Romney did not invent outsourcing, the Democrates did


Neither Romney nor the Democrats invented outsourcing. The marketplace did.

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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 1:00:48 PM   
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-- See how that works?




Did I quote you? No, yours was the last post before I posted, so I clicked the reply link... If I were talking to you, I would have quoted the post.

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RE: Romneys Unfortunate Truth - 6/22/2012 1:04:04 PM   
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You replied to him... and you are shocked he responded?

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