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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

All true, but I thought the main reason given for no gun control these days was that it stops the government getting uppity. If DS feels it won't be adequate to do that, what's the point of it?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I'll never disagree with that argument Owner....hence why I pay 100% of all of my employees health care coverage.

I want them to see a doctor when they're sick.

Not when they're dying.

I would rather they have the ability to see their Doctor on a routine basis so that any illness is caught early and at the curable stage instead of having to deal with prolonged treatments.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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I give a shit too...we just don't have the money.

This is fallacious. In comparable countries that run national health schemes, the cost to the economy is typically half the amount that the US spends on health care (which, incidentally, produces a lot less health care too -for instance look at the infant mortality rates).

So by abandoning the antiquated system the US currently has, Americans could save up to 50c in the $ on healthcare overall, and produce better health outcomes for all US citizens.

It is such a no-brainer that the continuing debate over healthcare is regarded with astonishment by many of us who enjoy national health schemes.

I hope that's true....it would certainly improve a lot of lives.

"Health care can form a significant part of a country's economy. In 2008, the health care industry consumed an average of 9.0 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP) across the most developed OECD countries.[2] The United States (16.0%), France (11.2%), and Switzerland (10.7%) were the top three spenders."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care

All it would take is for the US to match the average performance across the OECD to reduce your overall healthcare costs by almost half and provide universal coverage, with vastly improved health outcomes for individuals at the same time. The $ are already there in the system, eaten up by senseless duplication, overpayments to doctors, private company profits unnecessary advertising marketing and sales costs, ........ etc

Perhaps now you can understand why (and forgive) some of us non-Americans who enjoy universal health care systems look upon the American debate shaking our heads with sheer astonishment. Just imagine how that c7% of your GDP available for potential savings could ease the stresses on your National Debt the various State and Fed. Budgets and the overall economy.

It really is a no-brainer.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I'll never disagree with that argument Owner....hence why I pay 100% of all of my employees health care coverage.

I want them to see a doctor when they're sick.

Not when they're dying.

I would rather they have the ability to see their Doctor on a routine basis so that any illness is caught early and at the curable stage instead of having to deal with prolonged treatments.

(Which, by the way is what 100% paid health care provides).

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

All true, but I thought the main reason given for no gun control these days was that it stops the government getting uppity. If DS feels it won't be adequate to do that, what's the point of it?

To me, the really weird thing is these self same Right wingers who so hate and distrust their own Govt (that the American people elected) are the loudest at proclaiming theirs is the best system of Government in the world and exporting it to the rest of the world, often at gunpoint.

You know it really doesn't make sense ....

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I'll never disagree with that argument Owner....hence why I pay 100% of all of my employees health care coverage.

I want them to see a doctor when they're sick.

Not when they're dying.

I would rather they have the ability to see their Doctor on a routine basis so that any illness is caught early and at the curable stage instead of having to deal with prolonged treatments.

(Which, by the way is what 100% paid health care provides).

And something so many low income workers do not have. Imagine having insurance and yet cannot go to the Dr for a check up... you have to wait till you are sick.

Thankfully, this is now a moot point.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

not to ignore the positives.

Insurance companies can't take away your coverage if you become too sick.
You cannot be denied insurance coverage because of a pre-existing condition.
Seniors receive a 50 percent discount on prescription drugs when they hit the "donut hole."
Small businesses get tax credits to purchase insurance.
There are no more lifetime limits on your coverage.
15 million more people will receive coverage because of expanded access to Medicaid. Can...not will.
Millions of Americans are going to receive tax credits to help them get insurance--people who wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise. They already get those and only 7% of small businesses are taking them.
12 million seniors are currently receiving free preventative care through Medicare.art is
Being a woman is no longer a "pre-existing condition." Yes, women were denied coverage for just being women before the Affordable Care Act was law.
Insurance companies can't charge you more for being a woman either. Before the Affordable Care Act was law, women were sometimes charged up to 150% more than men of the same age. In unusual cases possibly, but perhaps you mean 1.5 times (as opposed to 150% more). And frankly...why shouldn't they be charged more? They live 10% longer and THOSE years are the most expensive ones.
Breast cancer screenings, cervical cancer screenings, domestic violence counseling and screenings and a whole bunch of other preventive care measures must be covered by insurance companies.
Birth control is now covered by health insurance.
Children can stay on their parents' health insurance until they're 26 years old. And if you want to have kids, the law will help you get pre-natal care and counseling and help with breast feeding and supplies too.

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If fat is a feminist issue, why is that lardbutted blob Rush Limbaugh such a misogynistic prick?

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

not to ignore the positives.

Insurance companies can't take away your coverage if you become too sick.
You cannot be denied insurance coverage because of a pre-existing condition.
Seniors receive a 50 percent discount on prescription drugs when they hit the "donut hole."
Small businesses get tax credits to purchase insurance.
There are no more lifetime limits on your coverage.
15 million more people will receive coverage because of expanded access to Medicaid. Can...not will.
Millions of Americans are going to receive tax credits to help them get insurance--people who wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise. They already get those and only 7% of small businesses are taking them.
12 million seniors are currently receiving free preventative care through Medicare.art is
Being a woman is no longer a "pre-existing condition." Yes, women were denied coverage for just being women before the Affordable Care Act was law.
Insurance companies can't charge you more for being a woman either. Before the Affordable Care Act was law, women were sometimes charged up to 150% more than men of the same age. In unusual cases possibly, but perhaps you mean 1.5 times (as opposed to 150% more). And frankly...why shouldn't they be charged more? They live 10% longer and THOSE years are the most expensive ones.
Breast cancer screenings, cervical cancer screenings, domestic violence counseling and screenings and a whole bunch of other preventive care measures must be covered by insurance companies.
Birth control is now covered by health insurance.
Children can stay on their parents' health insurance until they're 26 years old. And if you want to have kids, the law will help you get pre-natal care and counseling and help with breast feeding and supplies too.

But for my comments above, I agree wholeheartedly and for those reasons, it's "good" (I would actually argue it's excellent) legislation.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

not to ignore the positives.

Insurance companies can't take away your coverage if you become too sick.
You cannot be denied insurance coverage because of a pre-existing condition.
Seniors receive a 50 percent discount on prescription drugs when they hit the "donut hole."
Small businesses get tax credits to purchase insurance.
There are no more lifetime limits on your coverage.
15 million more people will receive coverage because of expanded access to Medicaid. Can...not will.
Millions of Americans are going to receive tax credits to help them get insurance--people who wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise. They already get those and only 7% of small businesses are taking them.
12 million seniors are currently receiving free preventative care through Medicare.art is
Being a woman is no longer a "pre-existing condition." Yes, women were denied coverage for just being women before the Affordable Care Act was law.
Insurance companies can't charge you more for being a woman either. Before the Affordable Care Act was law, women were sometimes charged up to 150% more than men of the same age. In unusual cases possibly, but perhaps you mean 1.5 times (as opposed to 150% more). And frankly...why shouldn't they be charged more? They live 10% longer and THOSE years are the most expensive ones.
Breast cancer screenings, cervical cancer screenings, domestic violence counseling and screenings and a whole bunch of other preventive care measures must be covered by insurance companies.
Birth control is now covered by health insurance.
Children can stay on their parents' health insurance until they're 26 years old. And if you want to have kids, the law will help you get pre-natal care and counseling and help with breast feeding and supplies too.

But for my comments above, I agree wholeheartedly and for those reasons, it's "good" (I would actually argue it's excellent) legislation.

Then im happy to say we agree on that.
While I disagree with you on many things, you aint such a bad chap:) winks

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ORIGINAL: ddstarr

I'm sorry but:
1. These numbers are ridiculous and obviously from a biased source.
2. This is just another way our socialist government is creating a class of people dependent on government seizures of other peoples income.

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ORIGINAL: ddstarr

I'm sorry but:
1. These numbers are ridiculous and obviously from a biased source.
2. This is just another way our socialist government is creating a class of people dependent on government seizures of other peoples income.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I hope that down the road UHC will be a fact.. it IS a step in the direction, and that is awesome for those that need it.

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

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ORIGINAL: ddstarr

I'm sorry but:
1. These numbers are ridiculous and obviously from a biased source.
2. This is just another way our socialist government is creating a class of people dependent on government seizures of other peoples income.

Have you been living in a bubble or in another country perhaps? This happens so often I thought it was common knowledge. Google it. I'm sure you'll find tons of stories about people this happened to.