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And you believe Romney would be leaping to ever greater armloads of expanded executive power because...., Muse?

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Though I'm certain you would notice, and possibly even give a shit if he did, because he has the wrong letter by his name.

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For Conservatives to be hypocrites re "make war not love, man" on the scale of certain leftists... over Obamas wars, and assassinations, and aggressions etc etc etc

Dont you think Conservatives would have had to have been antiwar on the scale of certain leftists, specially in the eight years or so prior to Obamas election

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And you believe Romney would be leaping to ever greater armloads of expanded executive power because...., Muse?

Though I'm certain you would notice, and possibly even give a shit if he did, because he has the wrong letter by his name.

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I thought we were talking about military campaigns? All your examples were those.

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Except he did and he used it. During the election Ronald Reagan's started saying as President, the United States would not be paying "ransom for people who have been kidnapped by barbarians". And from the moment he became President Elect, Reagan began calling the American Embassy Hostages "Our Prisoners of War".

And he meant it!

Care to explain either how Reagan freed those capruered in Tehran then Fats ? Come to that, do you not think the arms for hostages was paying barbarians ?

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If Iran Contra didn't happen, would Iran have released to hostages 5 minutes after Reagan was inaugurated?

I'm saying, you moron, that Iran-Contra happened years AFTER Carter, during Reagan's 2nd administration.

And she was denying Reagan was the reason for the hostage crisis ending... So while I got the Iranian Contra mixed up, she got the Carter got the hostages released wrong...And you agreed she was right.

Same goes for you Polite... the Iranians wouldn't negotiate with Carter, didn't you read the BBC link, old chap?

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So if you're a more recent hypocrite, it's OK then.

How is that different from flip-flopping?

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Do you even know what you are you going on about

My primary issue is and has been with Obama through various means working to recklessy create voids of power and then walking away as they fill with Islamafascists of various degrees and alliances

Far left supposed antiwar zealots used to chant, you broke it you own it with regard to Iraq

Here, Obamas breaking everything and owning nothing, and the same leftists just smile and grin, which is the secondary issue. Obama out Bushes Bush with drone assassinations in sovereign nations (didnt leftists also chant something about "sovereign nation" while Bush was president), with him appointing himself judge jury and executioner...

And again, you just smile and grin...

To clarify for you because you are having such a difficult time wrapping your arms around this, it isnt that suspected terrorists are being hunted and killed, I support that. Few are more hawkish than I... My real issue is how leftists viciously used the war on terror as an excuse to try to destroy the previous president, and how today they so easily overlook things like Gitmo, and the Patriot Act, and the remote control assassination of an American citizen without so much as a warrant... The toppling of foreign leaders without a thought as to who or what extremists replace them, and so on

Its your hypocrisy

But you and yours cant quite understand any of that, can you

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So if you're a more recent hypocrite, it's OK then.

How is that different from flip-flopping?

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What's the economy got to do with him deciding the President has the power to launch a war against a soveriegn nation, without Congress saying so, as long as he does it by remote control? Or that due process of law for a death sentence, is a meeting in his offices?

What's the economy got to do with him realizing Gitmo was best of bad options, and all the howling libs figuring it out at the same moment?

What's the economy got to do with the idea he can overrule Congress on legislation he likes, and they don't?

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If it's their hypocrisy, why have you only started bitching about these goings on since a Kenyan Democrat was elected?

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Well brains......The Iranians didnt negotiate with Carter, they negotiated with his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, but tell me this, do you not think the dog would wag the tail ?  You are correct that they didnt release the hostages until Reagan took office as a snub to Carter though.

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My real issue is how leftists viciously used the war on terror as an excuse to try to destroy the previous president

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and how today they so easily overlook things like Gitmo, and the Patriot Act, and the remote control assassination of an American citizen without so much as a warrant... The toppling of foreign leaders without a thought as to who or what extremists replace them, and so on

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I dont believe you (nor most leftists posting here) have even the dimmest understanding of my very clear and concise explanation.

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Well brains......The Iranians didnt negotiate with Carter, they negotiated with his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, but tell me this, do you not think the dog would wag the tail ?  You are correct that they didnt release the hostages until Reagan took office as a snub to Carter though.

Do you think they were also negotiating with Reagan quietly while he was president elect (and possibly beforehand in anticipation of his victory in the general)?