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Arturas -> Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 9:21:50 AM)

Romney said corporations are people. Are they? If they are not, then what are they?




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 9:23:07 AM)

A corporation is an "artificial person" with unlimited life represented by its stockholders who can change over time. It's not a human.

Romney is a.. well, I am not going there.

From the glory that is Wikipedia:

"Despite not being natural persons, corporations are recognized by the law to have rights and responsibilities like natural persons ("people"). Corporations can exercise human rights against real individuals and the state,[2][3] and they can themselves be responsible for human rights violations.[4] Corporations are conceptually immortal but they can "die" when they are "dissolved" either by statutory operation, order of court, or voluntary action on the part of shareholders. Insolvency may result in a form of corporate 'death', when creditors force the liquidation and dissolution of the corporation under court order,[5] but it most often results in a restructuring of corporate holdings. Corporations can even be convicted of criminal offenses, such as fraud and manslaughter. However corporations are not living entities in the way that humans are.[6]"





kalikshama -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 9:24:47 AM)

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Musicmystery -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 9:28:21 AM)

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/01/15/mitt_romney_is_a_serial_killer.html




Mupainurpleasure -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 9:38:35 AM)

and money is not free speech. free speech is free speech not unlimited $$$$$ to try to use mass media to sell a point. If mass media is equated to speech perhaps we do need the fairness doctrine to prevent the purchase of elections and the subsequent returns on that investment. Does anyone really think a 5 million dollar PAC donation isn't an investment in hopes for the promised 8 percent drop in high end rates?




Owner59 -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 9:42:43 AM)

Cons are the quislings of the corporate America vs American consumer/working class struggle.

Even if it`s deleterious to their own self interest,they seem all the happier to carry their water.

It`s as if business people are somehow divine.....with a magic power that shouldn`t be questioned or scrutinized.

Example......the '08' crash was a private,corporate financial mass failure that lost over 17 trillion dollars in American capital......that was suffered by and payed for by the middle class.

In addition,the bill for the bailout money these corporate failures received to keep them from folding(causing a mass depression) was also suffered and payed for by the middle class.

And the conservative response to all that ranges between "what crash,bush who? ,to blaming the '08' crash and it`s affects on the President Obama.

It`s as if corporations were omnipotent with cons.They aren`t just forgetting '08' but actively covering for banksters and now seem to be trying to facilitate even more destruction.....





itsSIRtou -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 9:43:02 AM)

I wouldn't be surprised that to prove his point romney will pick bain as a VP running mate..... only then Wwe'd have a new "birther" controversy....


actually, I think a more acurate GOP version of one of those pics should say....

CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE..... THE MIDDLE CLASS? ...NOT SO MUCH




subrob1967 -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 9:52:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Cons are the quislings of the corporate America vs American consumer/working class struggle.

Even if it`s deleterious to their own self interest,they seem all the happier to carry their water.

It`s as if business people are somehow divine.....with a magic power that shouldn`t be questioned or scrutinized.

Example......the '08' crash was a private,corporate financial mass failure that lost over 17 trillion dollars in American capital......that was suffered by and payed for by the middle class.

In addition,the bill for the bailout money these corporate failures received to keep them from folding(causing a mass depression) was also suffered and payed for by the middle class.

And the conservative response to all that ranges between "what crash,bush who? ,to blaming the '08' crash and it`s affects on the President Obama.

It`s as if corporations were omnipoten with cons.



Once again you have things ass backwards... I recall it was conservatives against the bail outs, and the DEMOCRATS who brought us "too big to fail" and "we need to bail out GM, because if we don't all those workers will lose their jobs!"

I love how you forget that OBAMA had control of 1/2 of the original TARP money, and not only gave that away to banks, and GM, and Chrysler, and Solyndra, and other failed green businesses, he then requested even MORE money to give away to European banks, and failed green businesses.

But keep blaming all of the country's woes on the conservatives... We'll be here to correct you every time.

p.s. it's omnipotent, buddy.




Musicmystery -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 9:57:16 AM)

quote:

I recall it was conservatives against the bail outs, and the DEMOCRATS who brought us "too big to fail" and "we need to bail out GM, because if we don't all those workers will lose their jobs!"

I love how you forget that OBAMA had control of 1/2 of the original TARP money, and not only gave that away to banks, and GM, and Chrysler


Then you blanked out Bush and Paulson on his knees begging for it--literally.




Sanity -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 10:16:21 AM)


Of course corporations are people . They're not animals nor vegetables nor minerals...

And (obviosly), if ever you would like to instantly convert your average leftist to a rabid spewer of mindless talking points just mention that fact.

There are few things leftists hate more than businessmen, and especially successful businessmen. Obama wrote in his memoirs that the only time he spent at a real job made hime feel like he was behind enemy lines, for example

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas

Romney said corporations are people. Are they? If they are not, then what are they?





Owner59 -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 10:30:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas

Romney said corporations are people. Are they? If they are not, then what are they?

True.....


Do you recall the gut reaction of the Americans there when he said that?


In case you don`t......[:D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2h8ujX6T0A

Not sure this helps him with the average American voter.

But hey.......Mitt can get all those votes corporations aren`t casting.........[8D]

What a baffon......




kalikshama -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 10:37:22 AM)

quote:

There are few things leftists hate more than businessmen, and especially successful businessmen.

Oh, please. I spent 7 years working for successful businessmen and didn't even hate the one who treated me like Meryl Streep playing Anna Wintour if she'd been Colombian and male.

quote:

Obama wrote in his memoirs that the only time he spent at a real job made hime feel like he was behind enemy lines, for example

After having spent the previous three years working for non-profits, I can empathize with Obama's sentiments expressed in “Dreams From My Father”:

"And so, in the months leading up to graduation, I wrote to every civil rights organization I could think of, to any black elected official in the country with a progressive agenda, to neighborhood councils and tenant rights groups. When no one wrote back, I wasn't discouraged. I decided to find more conventional work for a year, to pay off my student loans and maybe even save a little bit. I would need the money later, I told myself. Organizers didn't make any money; their poverty was proof of their integrity.

Eventually a consulting house to multinational corporations agreed to hire me as a research assistant. Like a spy behind enemy lines, I arrived every day at my mid-Manhattan office and sat at my computer terminal, checking the Reuters machine that blinked bright emerald messages from across the globe. As far as I could tell I was the only black man in the company, a source of shame for me but a source of considerable pride for the company's secretarial pool. They treated me like a son, those black ladies; they told me how they expected me to run the company one day.

…[A]s the months passed, I felt the idea of becoming an organizer slipping away from me. The company promoted me to the position of financial writer. I had my own office, my own secretary, money in the bank. Sometimes, coming out of an interview with Japanese financiers or German bond traders, I would catch my reflection in the elevator doors-see myself in a suit and tie, a briefcase in my hand-and for a split second I would imagine myself as a captain of industry, barking out orders, closing the deal, before I remembered who it was that I had told myself I wanted to be and felt pangs of guilt for my lack of resolve."




Winterapple -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 10:46:29 AM)

Corporations are Romney's kind of people.

And if you want to get ahead in life you
gotta know the right kind of people.

Thus spake Babbitt




Winterapple -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 10:50:14 AM)

There aren't any successful businessmen with liberal
or left leaning politics?





Owner59 -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 10:54:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Cons are the quislings of the corporate America vs American consumer/working class struggle.

Even if it`s deleterious to their own self interest,they seem all the happier to carry their water.

It`s as if business people are somehow divine.....with a magic power that shouldn`t be questioned or scrutinized.

Example......the '08' crash was a private,corporate financial mass failure that lost over 17 trillion dollars in American capital......that was suffered by and payed for by the middle class.

In addition,the bill for the bailout money these corporate failures received to keep them from folding(causing a mass depression) was also suffered and payed for by the middle class.

And the conservative response to all that ranges between "what crash,bush who? ,to blaming the '08' crash and it`s affects on the President Obama.

It`s as if corporations were omnipoten with cons.



Once again you have things ass backwards... I recall it was conservatives against the bail outs, and the DEMOCRATS who brought us "too big to fail" and "we need to bail out GM, because if we don't all those workers will lose their jobs!"

I love how you forget that OBAMA had control of 1/2 of the original TARP money, and not only gave that away to banks, and GM, and Chrysler, and Solyndra, and other failed green businesses, he then requested even MORE money to give away to European banks, and failed green businesses.

But keep blaming all of the country's woes on the conservatives... We'll be here to correct you every time.

p.s. it's omnipotent, buddy.


buuusssshhh.....did the bail-outs....and the initial damage that cost us 17 trillion dollars.......

The president got the democrats with NO help from cons to come up with a bit more than 3/4s of a trillion dollars to fill in the 17 TRILLION dollars bush lost us and kept us out of a depression with the stimulus.

And I recall all the blame/credit goes to the sitting pres.....right?

Or is that just for today....buddy?




ClassIsInSession -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 11:06:02 AM)

Why oh why is the discussion always partisan? Jimmy Carter (hmmm I don't think he was a republican was he?) was the President who allowed corporations to not have to have their AB pension plans fully vested. This led to the pension plan scandals that followed. Before him, Nixon (Definitely repub) took us off the gold standard and he was really buddy buddy with China...I think you can see where that has led. You've had scandals, and corporations through every presidency and every congress since. This isn't a partisan problem people, it's a matter of integrity and values.

As long as they have you spinning around this partisan blame game, they've got you duped and both sides are laughing at how stupid you are. (Meanwhile they are sucking progressively more money right out of your pockets)

Anyone can own a corporation as long as they aren't a felon. In most states it's under $1000 to do so. Then you get all the same write offs and deductions.

Geez, you act like incorporating is something difficult.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 11:10:46 AM)

I have a corporation, big deal. Lots of people do. In Michigan, it'll set you back sixty bucks.




LaTigresse -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 11:15:24 AM)

Most everyone I know that is self employed has some type of corp. Many of them are actually........gasp......liberals!

Also, most of them are........gasp.......successful business people!

Y'all can now pick your jaws up off the floor.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 11:19:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Most everyone I know that is self employed has some type of corp. Many of them are actually........gasp......liberals!

Also, most of them are........gasp.......successful business people!

Y'all can now pick your jaws up off the floor.


Y'all are giving away my seekrits!! [;)]




Owner59 -> RE: Are Corporations "people"? (6/26/2012 11:19:37 AM)

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