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LanceHughes -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 7:50:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas Just now, all hosts on the MSNBC show "The Cycle", proposed that voting be "mandated", that voting be mandatory by law for all U.S. citizens. I'm am not surprised. Mandates are the focus of the Left and socialism. What say you? I didnt see said show.. but,.. if voting were mandatory for all US citizens,.. wtf would the penalty be for not voting? They cant build jails fast enough as it is.. [8\|] Austrailians pay a small fine. If your ballot doesn't come in, you receive - basically - a parking ticket. "Fill this out and put fine inside." ============== Google is your friend.... from the official site FAQs: What happens if I do not vote? Initially the Australian Electoral Commission will write to all apparent non-voters requesting that they either provide a reason for their failure to vote or pay a $20 penalty. If, within 21 days, the apparent non-voter fails to reply, cannot provide a valid and sufficient reason or declines to pay the penalty, then prosecution proceedings may be instigated. If the matter is dealt with in court and the person is found guilty, he or she may be fined up to $50 plus court costs. ETA: Try being informed, not just opinionated

TheHeretic -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 8:05:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tacitus1 Yes, forcing people to do what's good for the country IS a liberal idea. I disagree. I don't think that the concept of individual obligation to the whole fits at all into our current US incarnations of liberal and conservative. I think you would find people both completely supportive, and utterly opposed, on both sides of the spectrum, and a middle, that entirely disregarded the boundaries.

DarkSteven -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 8:32:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tacitus1 No, fascism is LEFT wing, just to the right of communism. Private ownership under government control leads to things like GE, a huge corporate donor to Obama and the democrats getting all those "green" jobs contracts and a huge subsidy. I can't get past that first sentence.

erieangel -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 8:35:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tacitus1 What it's title was has very little to do with what it IS. All it did was extend the 14th Amendment to voting. If the franchise is granted to one man, it's granted to all men who are otherwise equal. If a state wanted to, it could restrict voting to only people who owned a certain value of real estate and it would be legal, insofar as men, women, all races and creeds were treated equally. If a million in assessed value was the limit for the franchise, anyone passing that bar could vote. Aaron Burr was accused of being a Democrat; his duel with Hamilton resulted. Democrat was an insult to those who witnessed the French Revolution, it meant being and advocate of mob rule and lawlessness. In the early days of the our country, only men who owned property were permitted to vote. Jefferson had a problem with that. If a man owned a jackass, he owned property and therefore could vote. But if his jackass died, he would not be able to vote unless he acquired new property. Jefferson did not think this was fair. And it is not. The man did not gain or lose his ability to think rationally by his ownership of the jackass (or its death). In the end, Jefferson's argument won out and the stipulation of ownership of property was abandoned. You would like to bring that back?? At $1M? Good God we really would be a plutocracy if that ever happened!!

Musicmystery -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 8:39:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas Just now, all hosts on the MSNBC show "The Cycle", proposed that voting be "mandated", that voting be mandatory by law for all U.S. citizens. I'm am not surprised. Mandates are the focus of the Left and socialism. What say you? LOL! I can see it now... "Y'all ain't gonna make me vote fer yer polly-tishians. I've got my rifle! The Second Amendment was written by the founding fathers to make sure we'd never have to vote! Damn elections--that's what's wrong with Democracy. Get rid of all those elections, and this country can run like the founding fathers intended!"

Musicmystery -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 8:42:14 PM)
quote: No, fascism is LEFT wing, just to the right of communism. Your OTHER left, Sock Puppet.

Lucylastic -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 8:47:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: No, fascism is LEFT wing, just to the right of communism. Your OTHER left, Sock Puppet. This, LMAO "

tweakabelle -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 9:12:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LanceHughes quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas Just now, all hosts on the MSNBC show "The Cycle", proposed that voting be "mandated", that voting be mandatory by law for all U.S. citizens. I'm am not surprised. Mandates are the focus of the Left and socialism. What say you? I didnt see said show.. but,.. if voting were mandatory for all US citizens,.. wtf would the penalty be for not voting? They cant build jails fast enough as it is.. [8\|] Austrailians pay a small fine. If your ballot doesn't come in, you receive - basically - a parking ticket. "Fill this out and put fine inside." ============== Google is your friend.... from the official site FAQs: What happens if I do not vote? Initially the Australian Electoral Commission will write to all apparent non-voters requesting that they either provide a reason for their failure to vote or pay a $20 penalty. If, within 21 days, the apparent non-voter fails to reply, cannot provide a valid and sufficient reason or declines to pay the penalty, then prosecution proceedings may be instigated. If the matter is dealt with in court and the person is found guilty, he or she may be fined up to $50 plus court costs. ETA: Try being informed, not just opinionated Yes it's true. Voting is compulsory here, and there's a small fine if one fails to vote without a valid reason. I wish I could say that compulsory voting produces better government, but I'm sorry I am unable to report that. quote: No, fascism is LEFT wing, just to the right of communism. If I hadn't seen this statement with my own eyes I would have had difficulty believing that some people are that stupid and ill-informed. However it comes as no surprise that the person who said this is a rabid Right winger politically.

Owner59 -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 9:17:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: No, fascism is LEFT wing, just to the right of communism. Your OTHER left, Sock Puppet. Another incarnation of liz.....

Winterapple -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 9:29:12 PM)
I'll play along. When I said right to vote I more or less meant an elgible registered voter can on election day choose to vote or not ie go down to the polling place and physically cast their vote or they can choose to not go to the polling place and vote. Likewise American citizens who are eligible to vote can register to vote if they choose to or not if they choose to. Everything isn't in the Constitution. I'm not going to debate privilege versus right but people who have actually been denied the vote historically fought for their right to vote not for the privilege of voting. The privilege of voting had already been claimed by their deniers.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 9:38:53 PM)
The very idea of a "mandate", technically speaking, flies in the face of the idea of liberty. Liberty opposes constraints. mandates are constraints. Every time we pass a law, *somebody* gives up a little more liberty (either by obeying a law they don't wish to or by running the risk of being jailed/fined/horsewhipped for not obeying it). Peace and comfort, Michael

Winterapple -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 9:49:30 PM)
Who called Aaron Burr a Democrat? Who was using the word Democrat in 1804? Not Alexander Hamilton. Not to mean any political party or faction. Burr was what was then called a Republican. Hamilton was called a Federalist. The exact words that finally brought about the duel or unknown. Hamilton had called Burr a dangerous man and compared him to Catiline. As a classicist I'm sure you know about him. Then at a dinner party Hamilton said he could express a still more despicable opinion of Burr. This became public after it was printed in a newspaper. An exchange of letters resulted in the duel. It's been speculated that Hamilton was suicidal. His son Philip had died in a duel in 1801. Hamilton used his son's gun in the duel. It has also been speculated that the slur Hamilton said or implied that set Burr off was the accusation that Burr had an incestuous relationship with his daughter Theodosia. There had been some degree of acrimony between the two men since Burr defeated Hamilton's father in law for the NY Senate seat. But the dual didn't come down to politics or the use of the word Democrat big d or small. There are good biographies of both men. Ron Chernow wrote a much praised one about Hamilton.

Winterapple -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 9:56:07 PM)
Facism is to the right, communism is to the left. Both have produced totalitarian states but they are not the same or closely related and spring from different sources and philosophies.

TheHeretic -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 11:16:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Winterapple Facism is to the right, communism is to the left. Both come from the totalitarian bottom, if you view the political spectrum as a circle, instead of a line.

joether -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/27/2012 11:58:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr The very idea of a "mandate", technically speaking, flies in the face of the idea of liberty. Liberty opposes constraints. mandates are constraints. Every time we pass a law, *somebody* gives up a little more liberty (either by obeying a law they don't wish to or by running the risk of being jailed/fined/horsewhipped for not obeying it). Liberty is the concept of freedom with wisdom. What you are thinking of is anarchy, which is opposed to any kind of constraint. In order for liberty to surive in a national enviroment like ours, it needs structure and law; a set of well established and clearly understood definations. HOWEVER, the wisdom factors in to place by expressing those structures and laws should be able to change as time changes. What once worked well, becomes constraining or to loose to serve the the people of the nation as it once did. To that end, the Founding Fathers reasoned that the US Constitution itself was a living document, NOT, one casted into stone. Which is why there are (as of 2012) 27 Amendments and not the original ten. Does every law created constraint someone's freedoms? Not so much a condition of freedom as it is of behavior. Most laws seek to curb a behavior entirely or limit it. For example, most states have a drinking age that requires a purchaser to be a certain level to obtain beer. Another law seeks to prohibit drilling without proper equipment, safety factors and various other permits approved and 'in hand'. Its important that if a law is being removed, will the behavior it was seeking to limit or ban come back and be a dentrament onto society?

Musicmystery -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/28/2012 6:37:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Winterapple Facism is to the right, communism is to the left. Both come from the totalitarian bottom, if you view the political spectrum as a circle, instead of a line. And if you view it as paisley swirls instead of a circle, your comment makes sense.

TheHeretic -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/28/2012 6:42:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Winterapple Facism is to the right, communism is to the left. Both come from the totalitarian bottom, if you view the political spectrum as a circle, instead of a line. And if you view it as paisley swirls instead of a circle, your comment makes sense. I always preferred tie-dye to paisley, but let's draw you a picture, Muse... [image]local://upfiles/409734/901FEF199D6046C198E3D44B2BB44852.jpg[/image]

Musicmystery -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/28/2012 6:57:31 AM)
You're so cute. Be sure to hang your drawing on the refrigerator.

mnottertail -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/28/2012 6:57:35 AM)
Thats gotta be an old drawing.

TheHeretic -> RE: Should voting be MANDATED? (6/28/2012 7:05:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery You're so cute. Be sure to hang your drawing on the refrigerator. That's where I keep my speeding tickets. It's funny though, how you look down, at things that go over your head.

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