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Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/27/2012 5:31:30 PM   
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I know Texas and Florida are worlds apart(or are they?) but their version George Zimmerman just got 40 years.



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/texas-stand-ground-shooter-headed-prison-210731482.html





"A Texas man convicted of shooting and killing his unarmed neighbor during a dispute over loud music received a 40-year prison sentence on Wednesday.

Raul Rodriguez, 47, faced a minimum of five years and a maximum of life in prison. He claimed he shot schoolteacher Kelly Danaher in self-defense under Texas' version of the "stand your ground" law.



But prosecutors argued Rodriguez provoked the incident by confronting Danaher, 36, and his friends with a handgun and demanding they quiet down at a late-night birthday party in May 2010.



The Houston case captured more attention in the wake of Trayvon Martin's death in Florida. There, George Zimmerman says he was being attacked and cited the state's "stand your ground" law after shooting the unarmed teen. But prosecutors charged him with second-degree murder."

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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/27/2012 7:06:36 PM   
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Ive followed the story. This guy was another fuckwit who initiated hostilities as an excuse.

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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/27/2012 7:10:40 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfvnldHuixg

Very troubling.

Folks....it`s switched to liz D......be on the look out.......

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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/27/2012 7:27:30 PM   
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Texas man gets 40 years after "stand your ground" defense fails.

"Prosecutors argued that Rodriguez had provoked a standoff with the party guests by shining a flashlight at Danaher's house from the roadway. Defense attorney William Stradley called it a "perfect storm of events" with no evil intent from Rodriguez.

If not for threats from intoxicated party-goers to "get even," Rodriguez might not have felt he was in imminent danger, Stradley said.

A person contemplating murder does not call the police beforehand, he said. Stradley told jurors the case hinged on just the two seconds before Rodriguez pulled the trigger."

Like Zimmerman, Rodriguez was terribly stupid but seems that there was plenty of that to go around. If someone is outside your home with a gun and you go inside to get your gun and come back out (intoxicated or not) I don't have much sympathy for you. If they had no returned Rodriguez' provocation in kind and just called the police nobody likely would have been hurt.

The "contemplating murder" comment holds true in both cases.




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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/27/2012 7:35:59 PM   
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Texas: Raul Rodriguez "Stand Your Ground" Shooting Caught On Tape

Again, after watching this I don't have any issue with the verdict or sentence but I have absolutely no sympathy for the dead guy.

An elementary school teacher, no less. Wonderful.


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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/27/2012 7:40:04 PM   
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This case was discussed ad nausium in stand your ground II Stand your ground did not protect him because he was stupid. It is stand your ground not go onto the other guys ground and threaten him.

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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 12:54:58 AM   
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I know Texas and Florida are worlds apart(or are they?) but their version George Zimmerman just got 40 years.



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/texas-stand-ground-shooter-headed-prison-210731482.html





"A Texas man convicted of shooting and killing his unarmed neighbor during a dispute over loud music received a 40-year prison sentence on Wednesday.

Raul Rodriguez, 47, faced a minimum of five years and a maximum of life in prison. He claimed he shot schoolteacher Kelly Danaher in self-defense under Texas' version of the "stand your ground" law.



But prosecutors argued Rodriguez provoked the incident by confronting Danaher, 36, and his friends with a handgun and demanding they quiet down at a late-night birthday party in May 2010.



The Houston case captured more attention in the wake of Trayvon Martin's death in Florida. There, George Zimmerman says he was being attacked and cited the state's "stand your ground" law after shooting the unarmed teen. But prosecutors charged him with second-degree murder."


Those 2 incidents are not even close in comparison.


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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 2:20:54 AM   
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I know Texas and Florida are worlds apart(or are they?) but their version George Zimmerman just got 40 years.

Those 2 incidents are not even close in comparison.

Too, he seems not to notice that the failure of a "stand your ground" defense in Texas, and another possible failure of one in Florida, indicate that the law quite precisely does NOT make it legal to shoot anybody you want as long as you claim you were scared, as the usual chorus likes to sing.

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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 6:57:38 AM   
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According to one witness, Rodriguez told her that under the SYG law, he could get away with killing anybody (or words to the effect), that is not stupid thinking it is dangerous. Rodriguez did believe he was standing his ground, not in much as a geographical sense but in a moral sense.

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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 9:23:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

I know Texas and Florida are worlds apart(or are they?) but their version George Zimmerman just got 40 years.



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/texas-stand-ground-shooter-headed-prison-210731482.html





"A Texas man convicted of shooting and killing his unarmed neighbor during a dispute over loud music received a 40-year prison sentence on Wednesday.

Raul Rodriguez, 47, faced a minimum of five years and a maximum of life in prison. He claimed he shot schoolteacher Kelly Danaher in self-defense under Texas' version of the "stand your ground" law.



But prosecutors argued Rodriguez provoked the incident by confronting Danaher, 36, and his friends with a handgun and demanding they quiet down at a late-night birthday party in May 2010.



The Houston case captured more attention in the wake of Trayvon Martin's death in Florida. There, George Zimmerman says he was being attacked and cited the state's "stand your ground" law after shooting the unarmed teen. But prosecutors charged him with second-degree murder."


Those 2 incidents are not even close in comparison.




There`s a hell of a lot more similarities than differences.......and IMHO.......George has even less "ground" to stand on.....



He didn`t even live there and killed a resident.......



No wonder we have this extremely hard to believe fairytale, about do-gooder George having an initial ,non-violent "meeting"with Martin and then peacefully parting ways, only to have young Martin circle back and attack poor George.....unprovoked......


They need that story......otherwise he`s fucked......

What most folks think happened.....a wanna-be watchmen oaf and world-class fuck up who tried to hold the kid at gun-point,ending up shooting a resident durring a struggle over the gun.

If that`s what happened.......George can`t use the SYG defense


The most pronounced similarities at this point.....are the 9/11 phone callls.



One can hear George prepping the same way this guy did......."he`s looking in houses,he looks like he`s on drugs,he`s got his hand in his pocket",.....all with an I`m scared tone of voice......No wonder the cop said not to follow Martin......


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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 10:42:31 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

I know Texas and Florida are worlds apart(or are they?) but their version George Zimmerman just got 40 years.



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/texas-stand-ground-shooter-headed-prison-210731482.html





"A Texas man convicted of shooting and killing his unarmed neighbor during a dispute over loud music received a 40-year prison sentence on Wednesday.

Raul Rodriguez, 47, faced a minimum of five years and a maximum of life in prison. He claimed he shot schoolteacher Kelly Danaher in self-defense under Texas' version of the "stand your ground" law.



But prosecutors argued Rodriguez provoked the incident by confronting Danaher, 36, and his friends with a handgun and demanding they quiet down at a late-night birthday party in May 2010.



The Houston case captured more attention in the wake of Trayvon Martin's death in Florida. There, George Zimmerman says he was being attacked and cited the state's "stand your ground" law after shooting the unarmed teen. But prosecutors charged him with second-degree murder."


Those 2 incidents are not even close in comparison.




There`s a hell of a lot more similarities than differences.......and IMHO.......George has even less "ground" to stand on.....



He didn`t even live there and killed a resident.......



No wonder we have this extremely hard to believe fairytale, about do-gooder George having an initial ,non-violent "meeting"with Martin and then peacefully parting ways, only to have young Martin circle back and attack poor George.....unprovoked......Hmmm....I'm not aware that they met up and then met again. I thought they only met up once. Am I missing something ?

They need that story......otherwise he`s fucked......Is that what your crystal ball says?

What most folks think happened.....a wanna-be watchmen oaf and world-class fuck up who tried to hold the kid at gun-point,ending up shooting a resident durring a struggle over the gun. It doesn't matter what they think, it's what they can prove and I highly doubt it.

If that`s what happened.......George can`t use the SYG defense Not likely a stand your ground situation, he was gettin his ass pummeled.


The most pronounced similarities at this point.....are the 9/11 phone callls.



One can hear George prepping the same way this guy did......."he`s looking in houses,he looks like he`s on drugs,he`s got his hand in his pocket",.....all with an I`m scared tone of voice......No wonder the cop said not to follow Martin......



It seems the guy in Texas was looking to go after some one because he was pissed. He brought a gun near some ones house and was looking for an excuse to shoot some one and trying to set up his defense with a 911 call and a video camera and then started flashing his weapon. Any piss ant with half a brain would have let the police deal with the noise situation which they ultimately would have. Not even close to the same situation as Zimmerman unless you're anti gun, start making things up and spinning it any way you like it.


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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 10:48:27 AM   
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It seems the guy in Texas was looking to go after some one because he was pissed.

Nope. No possible connection with Zimmy there at all.

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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 11:08:24 AM   
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This case was discussed ad nausium in stand your ground II Stand your ground did not protect him because he was stupid. It is stand your ground not go onto the other guys ground and threaten him.


That seems to vary from state to state.

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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 11:30:50 AM   
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There`s a hell of a lot more similarities than differences.......and IMHO.......George has even less "ground" to stand on.....

He didn`t even live there and killed a resident

You're confusing your fantasies with reality again....

Zimmerman was a resident of the Twin Lakes retreat. Martin wasn't. He was just visiting.

But hey, that's okay. Tomorrow will be a better day.

K.


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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 11:34:05 AM   
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This case was discussed ad nausium in stand your ground II Stand your ground did not protect him because he was stupid. It is stand your ground not go onto the other guys ground and threaten him.


That seems to vary from state to state.

Oh, really? That's interesting. Which states are these that have laws making it legal to "go onto the other guys ground and threaten him"? How about you pull your pants up and post some links.

Thanks in advance.

K.


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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 12:43:21 PM   
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quote:

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There`s a hell of a lot more similarities than differences.......and IMHO.......George has even less "ground" to stand on.....

He didn`t even live there and killed a resident

You're confusing your fantasies with reality again....

Zimmerman was a resident of the Twin Lakes retreat. Martin wasn't. He was just visiting.

But hey, that's okay. Tomorrow will be a better day.

K.


Trayvon Martin Father was a resident there, the police have concluded Trayvon had a legitment reason to there.

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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 1:17:28 PM   
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Zimmerman was a resident of the Twin Lakes retreat. Martin wasn't. He was just visiting.

Trayvon Martin Father was a resident there...

So in other words, Trayvon didn't live there. He was just visiting.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 1:30:27 PM   
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Zimmerman was a resident of the Twin Lakes retreat. Martin wasn't. He was just visiting.

Trayvon Martin Father was a resident there...

So in other words, Trayvon didn't live there. He was just visiting.

Thanks for clearing that up.

K.



What I am saying is Martin had a legitment right to be there. Or are you implying Martin did not have rights?


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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 2:05:52 PM   
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There`s a hell of a lot more similarities than differences.......and IMHO.......George has even less "ground" to stand on.....

He didn`t even live there and killed a resident

You're confusing your fantasies with reality again....

Zimmerman was a resident of the Twin Lakes retreat. Martin wasn't. He was just visiting.

But hey, that's okay. Tomorrow will be a better day.

K.









Staying with your dad`s fiance(family) is the same...... mr."reality"....

Wow.....after be quiet for a while....I must have hit a nerve........


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RE: Texas SYG shooter/killer gets 40.......... - 6/28/2012 8:58:42 PM   
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I know of no place were Rodriquez would have walked.

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