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OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:23:09 AM   
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People hate the mandate, and his greatest hope was that the courts strike it down.

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:24:50 AM   
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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:27:39 AM   
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True, that.

And everyones insurance is already going up

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:28:06 AM   
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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:29:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Everyone's insurance was already going up. That was among the problems.

So....I thought he was fucked when they struck it down?

You guys. Even you don't know what you think.

Later, Rush will tell you what to think.

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:31:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		The only people who will pay more taxes are the FREELOADERS WHO DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.

Go buy a policy, don't make yourself a burden on the taxpayers, and you won't have to pay any additional tax.

Or is this too complicated?

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:33:44 AM   
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The only people who will pay more taxes are the FREELOADERS WHO DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.

Go buy a policy, don't make yourself a burden on the taxpayers, and you won't have to pay any additional tax.

Or is this too complicated?

Dipshit---read, will ya? Did they teach past tense and present tense in your school?

You do realize I'm on the yay side of this thing, yeah?

Jesus fucking Christ. Don't you have enough problems without manufacturing them?

But if you want an analysis---some people's insurance will go up, some people's insurance will go down, depending on where they live.

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:38:41 AM   
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Kinda like Carter lashing out at Obama - Catfight!

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

The only people who will pay more taxes are the FREELOADERS WHO DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.

Go buy a policy, don't make yourself a burden on the taxpayers, and you won't have to pay any additional tax.

Or is this too complicated?

Dipshit---read, will ya? Did they teach past tense and present tense in your school?

You do realize I'm on the yay side of this thing, yeah?

Jesus fucking Christ. Don't you have enough problems without manufacturing them?

But if you want an analysis---some people's insurance will go up, some people's insurance will go down, depending on where they live.



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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:41:34 AM   
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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:42:33 AM   
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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:43:28 AM   
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First Rush is practically dead, now he is the Great Maharushie...

Not many speculated on the effects upholding it would have as everyone assumed that forcing people to buy things was unconstitutional, for some reason. However, this is not a popular provision and will breed resentment now that it is established as the law of the land

Especially as people begin to discover what is in it, now that it has passed

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Everyone's insurance was already going up. That was among the problems.

So....I thought he was fucked when they struck it down?

You guys. Even you don't know what you think.

Later, Rush will tell you what to think.



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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:47:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually the individual provisions of tha ACA are broadly popular and this will have little if any affect on the President beating Romney this fall.

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:49:01 AM   
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everyone assumed that forcing people to buy things was unconstitutional


Clearly not, or it wouldn't have been in court.

I said from the start, "What's the difference between this and a tax???"

Independent commentators have been saying Roberts realizes the credibility of the court is on thin ice after Bush v. Gore and Citizens United, and that they would probably let the bulk of this stand. That also says something about where public opinion overall sits.

If Obama wins in November, that will settle the issue, and businesses will move forward with long term plans. If Romney is elected, the uncertainty will continue as he threatens repeal. But a lot of this bill is popular, despite your view of it, and Republicans know they can't really do that--hence the "replace" jargon. But they had years to do what they wanted if they had wanted to. They didn't.

Whether it's popular or not, this will go down as Obama's great achievement.

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:54:21 AM   
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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:56:32 AM   
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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:07:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

The only people who will pay more taxes are the FREELOADERS WHO DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.

Go buy a policy, don't make yourself a burden on the taxpayers, and you won't have to pay any additional tax.

Or is this too complicated?


So is this YOUR preferred fix

Remember, the Dems held both houses of congress and the presidencey, they did whatever they wanted

Closed the Republicans out of the process

So again, is this what you would have done in their shoes

Ladle on laws and regulations designed to spike costs and then force the poor to buy at inflated prices

Someone wrote that costs were already rising, so Obamas and Reids and Pelosis solution is the only reasonable one

Force costs to go even higher

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:13:39 AM   
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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:14:29 AM   
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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:15:55 AM   
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Remember, the Dems held both houses of congress and the presidencey, they did whatever they wanted

Closed the Republicans out of the process


That old record.

Republicans did everything they could to stop the process, not participate in it. They even lashed out at Republicans who pointed out they were gonna be left behind if they didn't become part of the process.

They had six years of solid Republican control, and wasted it on illegal attempts to turn the country to permanent one-party rule. The voters told them to go fuck themselves.


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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:16:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

It wouldn't have done any good to let the republicans in. All they do is say NO NO NO to everything.


So YES YES YES to higher taxes on the poor is good in your view

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