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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:17:26 AM   
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ACA includes provisions for exemptions for the poor.

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:17:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		How exactly do you think you this is going to force health care costs to go higher? More people with health care means that the government isn't on the line for the people who don't have it but can afford it. It means that the people who couldn't previously get preventative care now can which has been proven in every study ever done to lower health care costs over time by reducing expensive procedures that could have been avoided if the problem was detected and treated earlier. You're going to have people who are in college or just entering the work force who would never be able to afford insurance on their own stay on their parents plan which won't put them on the public tit. I can't figure out how people still say that this bill is going to raise costs when every study, and also just plain common sense, proves otherwise.

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:19:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		The poor will not have to pay any tax unless the willfuly refuse to take advantage of the many routes availabe to get covered, including Medicaid and subsidies for private insurance if they make too much for Medicaid.

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:20:43 AM   
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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:21:40 AM   
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How exactly do you think you this is going to force health care costs to go higher? More people with health care means that the government isn't on the line for the people who don't have it but can afford it. It means that the people who couldn't previously get preventative care now can which has been proven in every study ever done to lower health care costs over time by reducing expensive procedures that could have been avoided if the problem was detected and treated earlier. You're going to have people who are in college or just entering the work force who would never be able to afford insurance on their own stay on their parents plan which won't put them on the public tit. I can't figure out how people still say that this bill is going to raise costs when every study, and also just plain common sense, proves otherwise.


Do your own research, costs have already been forced higher. Read a newspaper on occasion, quit relying on strangers in Internet chat forums to inform you

Two hints though, insuring preexisting conditions isnt cheap, nor is extending insurance to grown able bodied adult children

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:22:26 AM   
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What this means, is the Fed will no longer see a dime of my money.

Good luck with that, Sparky.

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:23:09 AM   
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The poor will not have to pay any tax unless the willfuly refuse to take advantage of the many routes availabe to get covered, including Medicaid and subsidies for private insurance if they make too much for Medicaid.


This is a tax, thats the reason it was upheld

They cant force you to buy things but they can TAX you (wink wink hint hint nod nod)

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:25:30 AM   
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Is this panty-bunch thread more of the same?

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:26:12 AM   
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We heard some pre-gloating over AZ`s law......right before most of it was struck down.....


Is this panty-bunch thread more of the same?

you betcha

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:27:05 AM   
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ACA includes provisions for exemptions for the poor.


More bureaucrats, more paperwork

Thats will help ease costs?






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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:28:06 AM   
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quote:

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The poor will not have to pay any tax unless the willfuly refuse to take advantage of the many routes availabe to get covered, including Medicaid and subsidies for private insurance if they make too much for Medicaid.


This is a tax, thats the reason it was upheld

They cant force you to buy things but they can TAX you (wink wink hint hint nod nod)

There. You see?

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:28:16 AM   
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they?

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:28:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		You do some research. Talk to some health care professionals who actually run departments at hospitals like I do and every one of them will tell you that the people upstairs who have health insurance are only paying so much because the people downstairs in the emergency room, getting care that they should get at a doctors office, don't have insurance. This puts the cost onto those who do have health insurance which drives up the cost of health insurance for those that can afford to have it in the first place. TURN OFF THE LIMBAUGH! TURN OFF THE FOX NEWS! Read an actual report with numbers, stats, you know things that appear boring but actually tell you unbiased shit that you need to know.

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:29:13 AM   
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At the federal level, as a condition of breathing?

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Drivers are required by law to have insurance aren't
they?



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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:31:10 AM   
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More bureaucrats, more paperwork

Thats will help ease costs?


Talk to me when the Department of Homeland Bullshit is dismantled.

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:31:27 AM   
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And really, the poor still have to pay this new tax unless theyre able to prove theyre unable

And why shouldnt they be forced onto a government commune to thereby pay their fair share if theyre just lazy hippies or whatever



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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:32:24 AM   
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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:32:31 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Yeah. Just like we do to them with food stamps and Medicaid.

Really, you aren't good at this. Wait for the right wing bloggers to tell you what to say.

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:35:50 AM   
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Now I get it......


This isn`t a pre gloat......


This is a post-fail squeal!




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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 8:37:08 AM   
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And really, the poor still have to pay this new tax unless theyre able to prove theyre unable

And why shouldnt they be forced onto a government commune to thereby pay their fair share if theyre just lazy hippies or whatever




Well, as inept as the republicans down there seem to be, they could write that bill, but they couldnt get it passed.  They will just be laughed at and scorned some more.  No big deal. 

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