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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:08:36 PM   
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The psychotic frenzy being whipped up is making me shiver with delight
Has anyone seen Arty??

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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:17:53 PM   
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The only tax on the middle class is the one in your mind. Give us a citation, hey.



Do you want the  ACA bill, or the Supreme Court ruling?

As it was explained to you in the other thread, the government can't decide to tax one person, and not another, so they'll either have to tax everyone to pay for Obamacare, or tax no one for Obamacare. What are the odds of the government not raising taxes to pay for Obamacare?

Do you honestly believe that they will cut spending from one program to pay for this monstrosity of a law?


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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:53:56 PM   
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People hate the mandate, and his greatest hope was that the courts strike it down.

Thank you sanity,it's been a bitch of a day,stopped here looking for a quick laugh.....and lo and behold here you are humorouslytrying to make a silk purse out of what is,for you,the cruelest cut.
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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:55:46 PM   
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People hate the mandate, and his greatest hope was that the courts strike it down.


Actually, based on current polls....64% of the population is in favor of this thing.

Did you just want to make up shit?

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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 7:57:51 PM   
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there are plenty of affirmations in the positive for your question Lookie..

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 9:19:02 PM   
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FR

Interesting take on the Chief Justice:

In Health Care Ruling, Roberts Steals a Move From John Marshall's Playbook

dc,

What Epps overlooks is that if such a mandate is a tax, then if Romney hits the tax issue, he is then vulnerable is well--his claim that he never raised taxes as governor would then be false, as he implemented an insurance mandate.

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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/28/2012 11:06:01 PM   
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People hate the mandate, and his greatest hope was that the courts strike it down.

Actually, based on current polls....64% of the population is in favor of this thing.

Did you just want to make up shit?


He'd be no better than FOX News. They make shit up all day that has no basis on fact or evidence. Why report the facts, when the sensationism is so much more sexier to ply to an ignorance and foolish crowd of morons?

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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/29/2012 12:21:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

The psychotic frenzy being whipped up is making me shiver with delight
Has anyone seen Arty??

No doubt the poor dears whipping themselves into a frenzy over this reform will end up seeking medical help for their wounds ......

They could end up being the first beneficiaries of the new healthcare system.

Mind you, putting them all on Xanax mightn't be such a bad idea yanno .... I can see a lot of long term benefits in that

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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/29/2012 2:21:24 PM   
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You know, this really should be something published by The Onion. Unfortunately, it's not satire.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/06/28/supreme-court-health-care-move-to-canada_n_1634157.html?1340896836






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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/29/2012 2:34:09 PM   
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Actually, youre hopelessly lost in your own spin

The reality:

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A new CBS News/New York Times poll reveals that nearly seven in ten Americans want the Supreme Court to overturn either all or President Obama's health care law or strike down just the individual mandate.


Admittedly the poll is a few weeks old but still valid, and its even from a far left news source

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quote:

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People hate the mandate, and his greatest hope was that the courts strike it down.


Actually, based on current polls....64% of the population is in favor of this thing.

Did you just want to make up shit?



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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/29/2012 2:36:13 PM   
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Polls are meaningless. regardless of the source.

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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/29/2012 2:37:18 PM   
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No... far left drool is meaningless

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Polls are meaningless. regardless of the source.



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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/29/2012 2:45:33 PM   
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lol.  far right rushfelching, with a tongue in his ass 24/7/365,  is no way to go thru life.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/CBSNYTPoll_HealthCare_060712.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBody

The numbers arent quite as you portray them however.  There is a huge spin on the numbers. But of 976 people.............lol.

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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/29/2012 3:41:53 PM   
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Get down on your knees and thank Jesus for Obamacare, little yappy dog...

Pelosi: "I Knew When He [Ted Kennedy] Left Us He Would Go To Heaven To Help Us Pass The Bill ...

I bet that in Ted Kennedys heaven he gets to murder Mary Jo over and over again, and get away with it each time





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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/29/2012 3:49:02 PM   
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People hate the mandate, and his greatest hope was that the courts strike it down.



Do you have any valildation for this peurle nonsense?

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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/29/2012 3:53:22 PM   
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People hate the mandate, and his greatest hope was that the courts strike it down.



You paid $600 for that "smart phone," and it didn't make you even .06 cents smarter.

What a pisser.



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RE: OBAAMS FUCKED - 6/29/2012 3:53:30 PM   
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Everyone in the country will now be paying higher taxes.


Do you have any validation for this idiotic assumption?

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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/29/2012 3:54:00 PM   
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Yup yup yup. The Republicans howled like banshees when Obama proposed single payer. Republicans proposed the mandate (like Mitt did in MA). So now we haz howling again.

I had brain surgery 11 years ago. Without insurance, I would've had to pony up over $20,000. I would've gone bankrupt without insurance, and the hospital would not have received any bucks in that case. When that happens, the hospital ups the costs to everyone else.

BTW, the surgery was required to compensate for a genetic defect, so spare me the "oh, you must live a bad lifestyle" argument.

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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/29/2012 4:00:15 PM   
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Agauin, for the droolers...

People hate the mandate:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57448750-503544/poll-most-want-supreme-court-to-overturn-individual-health-care-mandate/

Impossible for you to believe that Dear Leader has yet to convince them with his charm and his smile alone, I know...

Still, it is true.

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You paid $600 for that "smart phone," and it didn't make you any smarter.

What a pisser.





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RE: OBAMAS FUCKED - 6/29/2012 4:03:25 PM   
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The Cost Shift from the Uninsured

American Family Health Care Premiums Cost $1,100 More Because Our System Doesn’t Provide Continuous Coverage for All


March 2009

America’s patchy health care system is leaving millions of people without continuous, affordable, and effective health insurance, and we’re all paying the price.

The Center for American Progress Action Fund has updated a 2005 analysis by Kenneth Thorpe for Families USA and found that, on average, 8 percent of families’ 2009 health care premiums—approximately $1,100 a year—is due to our broken system that fails to cover the uninsured.

The best way to address this burden on health insurance is to create a more efficient system that offers continuous, quality coverage for all. We can’t afford our broken system any more.

Discussion

Approximately 87 million people—one in three Americans—went without health insurance for some period during 2007 and 2008, while rising unemployment and job losses caused an estimated 14,000 people to lose their health insurance every day in December 2008 and January 2009 alone.

Some mistakenly believe that the plight of the uninsured, and America’s failure to provide continuous quality health insurance for everyone, only affects those who are unable to find health insurance. But this is wrong.

The uninsured pay more for care—and get less—than those with insurance. But when the uninsured cannot pay, health care providers shift those costs to those who can pay—those who have insurance coverage. This leads to higher premiums for those who buy their insurance on the individual market, as well as workers who get insurance for themselves and their families through their job.

This “hidden tax” on health insurance arises from a failure to continuously cover all Americans and accounts for roughly 8 percent of the average health insurance premium. This cost-shift amounts to $1,100 per average family premium in 2009 and $410 per average individual premium. By 2013, assuming the cost shift remains the same percentage of premium costs, the cost shift will be approximately $480 for an individual policy and $1,300 for a family policy.

The table below shows this “cost-shift” markup for health care plans in every state:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/03/cost_shift.html

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