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erieangel -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 8:02:55 AM)
So what you're saying is because all these organizations have committed fraud, the people who have nothing except that $205 per month can now have even less--in that they won't even get that? Those who commit fraud belong in prison. Those who are innocent don't deserve to pay for the fraud and abuse within the system.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 8:09:44 AM)
They did give one more month, starting the cuts in August, rather than July. I know that is not much, but, they are also going to use that month to try to set folks up that are losing the benefit with alternatives. Also, this in only being done for 12 months, for now. Hopefully, they are going to try to fix the cracks, and bring it back. Not much for those who need it now, but a little bit of hope anyhow.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 8:16:08 AM)
This shows how horrible Republican leaders really are. Republicans like to call Democrats bleeding hearts. I say better to have a bleeding heart than no heart at all.

tazzygirl -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 8:16:15 AM)
205 dollars a month... what do they lose? The ability to pay for medications and co pays for what medicaid doesnt pay for. My plan.. 4 dollars a co pay for any specialist... Prescriptions limited to 6 a month, unless they are on the exception list... Most cost a dollar a refill.. some 3. Add to that the cost of transportation to Doctors. 205 doesnt sound like a lot to most people.... until its all you have. My injury is bus related... and when a settlement comes through, I have to pay back the state for all the help it gives me. And, now, it gives me even less. ~shrugs I will make due. Some people cant.

erieangel -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 8:22:29 AM)
It's only being done for 12 months because it's only in this year's fiscal budget. But what are the chances of it being restored next year under Corbett? Corbett doesn't get as much national coverage as some of the other Republican governors but in many ways his policies are far more harmful.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 8:23:47 AM)
tazzy, believe me, I know how much $205 is. I hope that was a fast reply, and not because I somehow gave the impression that I thought it was nothing to lose that amount of money. Frankly, I am amazed that some states offer assistance to adults without minor children. I hope that Pennsylvania will find a way to bring back the assistance ASAP. I wish Georgia has something similar. I know of a couple of folks who it would make a world of difference to, but they can get absolutely nothing.

tazzygirl -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 9:39:00 AM)
No no no.. fast reply.. sorry And, yes, especially in the south, many states dont offer that assistance. Yet its that very assistance that could be more beneficial to the state that anything else.

subrob1967 -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 9:48:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel So what you're saying is because all these organizations have committed fraud, the people who have nothing except that $205 per month can now have even less--in that they won't even get that? Those who commit fraud belong in prison. Those who are innocent don't deserve to pay for the fraud and abuse within the system. What other benefits are they receiving from the government? How do you, or I know this is the only benefit they receive?

subrob1967 -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 9:50:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl 205 dollars a month... what do they lose? The ability to pay for medications and co pays for what medicaid doesnt pay for. My plan.. 4 dollars a co pay for any specialist... Prescriptions limited to 6 a month, unless they are on the exception list... Most cost a dollar a refill.. some 3. Add to that the cost of transportation to Doctors. 205 doesnt sound like a lot to most people.... until its all you have. My injury is bus related... and when a settlement comes through, I have to pay back the state for all the help it gives me. And, now, it gives me even less. ~shrugs I will make due. Some people cant. Medicaid covers prescription costs. If they're poor and disabled, it's more than likely they're receiving other state benefits.

tazzygirl -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 10:58:40 AM)
quote: Medicaid covers prescription costs. If they're poor and disabled, it's more than likely they're receiving other state benefits. Medicaid.. PA Medicaid.. is what I am on. The co pays on prescriptions are from 1 to 3 dollars.. not a whole lot.. My Lantus (insulin) is 6 dollars a month because I get it twice. The co pays for specialists are between 2 and 4 dollars a month. There are other services that require a co pay.. up front money. Some of the services that are covered by Gateway that may require you to pay a co-payment include: Visits to specialists with a referral from your Primary Care Physician (PCP) Allergy tests and shots with a referral from your Primary Care Physician (PCP) Drugs for members age 18 and older, if eligible for medicine coverage under Medical Assistance, prescribed by a doctor and covered by the approved drug list Foot care Hospitalization, if medically necessary, including semi-private rooms (a private room is covered if needed for a medical condition), inpatient drug and doctor services Laboratory tests and cardiograms, as ordered by your doctor X-rays, when medically necessary and ordered by your doctor Physical therapy, if medically necessary Occupational and speech therapy, if medically necessary On-going chiropractic services, if medically necessary http://www.gatewayhealthplan.com/book/medicaid/pa/member3.aspx See, this is part of the problem, rob. You hear medicaid and you believe its all free. While it may not cost a lot.. cutting out whatever financial help there is has more far reaching effects that you realize.

erieangel -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 11:56:31 AM)
I've had several clients who were on GA (general assistance). Yes Medicaid pays the majority of the medical costs, but there are co pays for everything. I've seen some co pays as small as $.50 here, but as high as $5.00. And out of that $205 per month, my clients paid a fixed amount of $83.50 for their housing, that included rent, utilities, phone, cable TV (and the agency provided TVs in all bedrooms when available) cleaning and laundry supplies and paper supplies (and if you don't know what I mean by that euphemism, I feel sorry for you). $5.00 of that $83.50 was held back each month in a fund which the clients got back when they moved out if they owed no money and cleaned their room upon leaving. They paid no security deposit upon moving in. Most of my clients also, in the past year, received around $167.00 per month in food stamps. I guess this the average for somebody on general assistance. I've heard that this food stamp benefit will increased to around $200 to "make up" for the lack cash assistance. I'm sure those people will be appreciative to have the extra food stamps when they can't buy a hot meal and no longer have a kitchen in which cook. But hey, they can always sell their stamps for 1/2 their value and eat their meals at the soup kitchens. I'll keep my eyes out for anybody selling stamps and chip in as much as I can.

subrob1967 -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 12:08:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Medicaid covers prescription costs. If they're poor and disabled, it's more than likely they're receiving other state benefits. Medicaid.. PA Medicaid.. is what I am on. The co pays on prescriptions are from 1 to 3 dollars.. not a whole lot.. My Lantus (insulin) is 6 dollars a month because I get it twice. The co pays for specialists are between 2 and 4 dollars a month. There are other services that require a co pay.. up front money. Some of the services that are covered by Gateway that may require you to pay a co-payment include: Visits to specialists with a referral from your Primary Care Physician (PCP) Allergy tests and shots with a referral from your Primary Care Physician (PCP) Drugs for members age 18 and older, if eligible for medicine coverage under Medical Assistance, prescribed by a doctor and covered by the approved drug list Foot care Hospitalization, if medically necessary, including semi-private rooms (a private room is covered if needed for a medical condition), inpatient drug and doctor services Laboratory tests and cardiograms, as ordered by your doctor X-rays, when medically necessary and ordered by your doctor Physical therapy, if medically necessary Occupational and speech therapy, if medically necessary On-going chiropractic services, if medically necessary http://www.gatewayhealthplan.com/book/medicaid/pa/member3.aspx See, this is part of the problem, rob. You hear medicaid and you believe its all free. While it may not cost a lot.. cutting out whatever financial help there is has more far reaching effects that you realize. No, the problem is the well isn't bottomless. You simply can't have everything you want because the government cannot tax, or raise the funds to make everyone healthy, or happy, and well provided for. Sooner or later they run out of money too, it's simple economics. A government cannot survive on borrowed money, just like everyone else... Sooner or later the Piper comes a calling. Now if the argument is a matter of how the existing money is spent, that's another ball of wax, but in order to maintain a balanced budget, some programs have to yield so others can be funded. Your state elected a republican majority for a reason, and from what I read it was to balance the budget, and to bring new jobs to Pa. Looks to me Corbett is doing what he was elected to do.

tazzygirl -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 12:23:29 PM)
quote: Now if the argument is a matter of how the existing money is spent, that's another ball of wax, but in order to maintain a balanced budget, some programs have to yield so others can be funded. Your state elected a republican majority for a reason, and from what I read it was to balance the budget, and to bring new jobs to Pa. Looks to me Corbett is doing what he was elected to do. Its not what he is doing.. its how he is doing it.

tazzygirl -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 12:27:12 PM)
quote: And out of that $205 per month, my clients paid a fixed amount of $83.50 for their housing, that included rent, utilities, phone, cable TV (and the agency provided TVs in all bedrooms when available) cleaning and laundry supplies and paper supplies (and if you don't know what I mean by that euphemism, I feel sorry for you). $5.00 of that $83.50 was held back each month in a fund which the clients got back when they moved out if they owed no money and cleaned their room upon leaving. They paid no security deposit upon moving in. Most of my clients also, in the past year, received around $167.00 per month in food stamps. I guess this the average for somebody on general assistance. I've heard that this food stamp benefit will increased to around $200 to "make up" for the lack cash assistance. I'm sure those people will be appreciative to have the extra food stamps when they can't buy a hot meal and no longer have a kitchen in which cook. No one wants to see that side. I had no heard about an increase to food stamps.. should be interesting to see what the state does with that.

subrob1967 -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 12:40:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Now if the argument is a matter of how the existing money is spent, that's another ball of wax, but in order to maintain a balanced budget, some programs have to yield so others can be funded. Your state elected a republican majority for a reason, and from what I read it was to balance the budget, and to bring new jobs to Pa. Looks to me Corbett is doing what he was elected to do. Its not what he is doing.. its how he is doing it. How else should he do it? Leave the welfare spending alone and cut infrastructure spending? Cut police and fire budgets? How else can he entice businesses to bring new jobs into Pa, his charming personality? Pa is competing with WV, Oh, De, Ma or NJ for jobs... I'm sure Christie or Kasich would love to have the new refinery.

erieangel -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 1:18:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Now if the argument is a matter of how the existing money is spent, that's another ball of wax, but in order to maintain a balanced budget, some programs have to yield so others can be funded. Your state elected a republican majority for a reason, and from what I read it was to balance the budget, and to bring new jobs to Pa. Looks to me Corbett is doing what he was elected to do. Its not what he is doing.. its how he is doing it. How else should he do it? Leave the welfare spending alone and cut infrastructure spending? Cut police and fire budgets? How else can he entice businesses to bring new jobs into Pa, his charming personality? Pa is competing with WV, Oh, De, Ma or NJ for jobs... I'm sure Christie or Kasich would love to have the new refinery. You did read where I quoted that they put between 350m - 400m in reserves, right? Why didn't they put less aside for a "rainy day" and keep the general assistance? A large majority of the money spent on GA is paid back anyway when people are approved for social security which usually takes between 3-18 months but can sometimes take up to 3 years. No, cutting GA was the easy thing to do. Those 70,000 people have few resources, no political power and few people who will speak up for them. Selling (and buying) food stamps is highly illegal. But you know what, I will buy food stamps from anybody who wants to sell them as long as they don't have children to feed. Just because somebody is single and disabled doesn't mean they don't deserve basic respect and the basic necessities of life. This budget says those people are worthless to society.

tazzygirl -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 1:21:26 PM)
The negotiated budget agreement contains no new taxes - in keeping with Corbett's campaign pledge - and increases spending about 1.5 percent over this year's plan. Senate Majority Leader Dominic Pileggi (R., Delaware) said Friday: "The budget before us today is responsible and sustainable." Public schools, for the most part, are flat-funded, as are the four state-related universities, including Temple and Lincoln, and the 14 schools in the State System of Higher Education. The budget does contain nearly $300 million in tax cuts for businesses, and the agreement negotiated by Corbett and GOP legislative leaders also calls for a tax credit to entice Shell Chemical L.P. to build a huge petrochemical refinery in Western Pennsylvania. In the cuts column: The budget slices $84 million for an array of human-services programs for the mentally ill, the homeless, and people fighting alcohol and drug addictions. The budget deal also eliminates a cash-assistance program that helps nearly 70,000 people, including the temporarily disabled, victims of domestic abuse, and recovering addicts. Originally, those people would have lost the benefits starting Sunday, but the Corbett administration agreed Friday to delay the program's elimination by a month, until Aug. 1, to ensure that recipients are properly notified. "It's very cruel to end a program like this without proper notice," said Sen. Vincent Hughes (D., Phila.), the ranking Democrat on the Appropriations Committee. The fate of other legislation related to the budget appeared less certain. Corbett was meeting with legislative leaders Friday night to try to work out differences on a bill he wants that would give the state a larger role in regulating charter schools. The governor had wanted to create a state commission to authorize new charter schools, taking that power from local school boards. A tentative compromise struck earlier in the week would have limited that commission's powers, leaving local boards in charge of approving new charters while giving the state commission the authority to oversee appeals of charters rejected by the local boards. That compromise appeared to be in jeopardy Friday evening. Also up in the air: Corbett's push to expand from $75 million to $100 million the Educational Improvement Tax Credit (EITC), which gives tax breaks to businesses that provide scholarship aid to low- to middle-income students, as well as a plan to create a similar pot of money under the EITC umbrella that would target scholarship aid to pupils in the worst-performing schools. One education-related bill that both chambers have passed and that awaits Corbett's signature involves establishing a process to identify and deal with distressed schools. That process could include the appointment of an outside overseer to develop a recovery plan for a district, or a court-appointed receiver who would take over most of a school board's powers. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/20120630__27B_budget_sent_to_Corbett.html You can justify the all business atmosphere here all you like rob. This state is more than just 'businesses".

erieangel -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 1:55:15 PM)
quote: What other benefits are they receiving from the government? How do you, or I know this is the only benefit they receive? I don't like the fact that he wants to take over charter schools in any way. Here in Erie, our school district doesn't allow a charter unless it is a co-operative between a local entity and a business. We currently have 3 charters (K-12) run by an agency called Greater Erie Community Action Committee (GECAC) and local businesses. The first business to sign on to the charter school idea was GE Locomotive, one of our largest employers. The school district is left with paying only about 1/2 the cost running the charter schools because of the set up, which ultimately saves us money and leaves more for our public schools. No Erie tax dollars are going to private, for profit charter schools. But private, for profit charter schools seems to be what Corbett prefers. And how would an appointment of an "outside overseer" affect the budget. That person would have to paid. Cuts, cuts everywhere. But Corbett has the money to hire more staff. Hey, tazzy, did you hear about the new vehicles he purchased last year? It is part of the reason why we have a so-called short fall this year. I've been looking for a source, but being a year old, I can't find one.

subrob1967 -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 2:01:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Now if the argument is a matter of how the existing money is spent, that's another ball of wax, but in order to maintain a balanced budget, some programs have to yield so others can be funded. Your state elected a republican majority for a reason, and from what I read it was to balance the budget, and to bring new jobs to Pa. Looks to me Corbett is doing what he was elected to do. Its not what he is doing.. its how he is doing it. How else should he do it? Leave the welfare spending alone and cut infrastructure spending? Cut police and fire budgets? How else can he entice businesses to bring new jobs into Pa, his charming personality? Pa is competing with WV, Oh, De, Ma or NJ for jobs... I'm sure Christie or Kasich would love to have the new refinery. You did read where I quoted that they put between 350m - 400m in reserves, right? Why didn't they put less aside for a "rainy day" and keep the general assistance? A large majority of the money spent on GA is paid back anyway when people are approved for social security which usually takes between 3-18 months but can sometimes take up to 3 years. No, cutting GA was the easy thing to do. Those 70,000 people have few resources, no political power and few people who will speak up for them. Selling (and buying) food stamps is highly illegal. But you know what, I will buy food stamps from anybody who wants to sell them as long as they don't have children to feed. Just because somebody is single and disabled doesn't mean they don't deserve basic respect and the basic necessities of life. This budget says those people are worthless to society. Um because the economy ain't getting better, and it may get worse... You simply can't spend your way out of the economic mess. Um the people collecting ga don't pay back the funds they're given if they're approved for SSDI... Who told you that? Once the state gives the money away, it's gone... There is no Federal SS Fairy there to replenish the coffers. Go ahead and break the law... At least you'll get three hots, a cot, and medical care in prison.

tazzygirl -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 2:03:57 PM)
quote: Um because the economy ain't getting better, and it may get worse... You simply can't spend your way out of the economic mess. Um the people collecting ga don't pay back the funds they're given if they're approved for SSDI... Who told you that? Once the state gives the money away, it's gone... There is no Federal SS Fairy there to replenish the coffers. Go ahead and break the law... At least you'll get three hots, a cot, and medical care in prison. And the one's who got us into the mess are the one's benefiting from all the tax cuts while those who had no control over any of this mess are the one's being screwed... fits in nicely with your overall philosophy.

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