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tazzygirl -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 2:06:21 PM)
quote: Hey, tazzy, did you hear about the new vehicles he purchased last year? It is part of the reason why we have a so-called short fall this year. I've been looking for a source, but being a year old, I can't find one. http://www.witf.org/state-house-sound-bites/on-vehicle-purchase-corbett-doesn-t-tell-full-story

erieangel -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 2:17:13 PM)
quote: Um the people collecting ga don't pay back the funds they're given if they're approved for SSDI... Who told you that? Once the state gives the money away, it's gone... There is no Federal SS Fairy there to replenish the coffers. Wrong again rob. Who told you they don't?? I happened to live through it. I was on welfare for nearly 3 years with my kids while I was fighting to get on SSI due to my out of control bipolar disorder. When I was finally approved, I had to pay back every penny that I had received from welfare. And it was mess, too, because they literally tried to take every penny and not just the portion that I received for myself. I handed the cash over to the county office the day after I received my retroactive check. That was years ago and things are done differently now. Now the states (all of them) work with the social security administration to recover any money due before a check is even issued to the person receiving social security. If it had been that way back when I first got on SSI, I wouldn't have had to pay $400 to cash my check (I didn't have a bank account) of less than $5,000 and then walk nearly $1,000 cash to the county welfare office. My retroactive check would have just been that much lower in the first place and I would have had the time to open an account. Long story short, the welfare office gave me 3 days to make payment but the banks all wanted to put a hold on the check for 10 if I opened an account. A retroactive check is the very first check a social security recipient receives. It is the money due upon date of approval for social security and goes back to the date of initial application. I hear these days they don't give checks in large amounts like I had gotten but spread that retro-money out across several months. They also have a maximum limit not always going all the way back to initial date of application on claims that take an inordinate time to settle.

subrob1967 -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 4:45:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel quote: Um the people collecting ga don't pay back the funds they're given if they're approved for SSDI... Who told you that? Once the state gives the money away, it's gone... There is no Federal SS Fairy there to replenish the coffers. Wrong again rob. Who told you they don't?? I happened to live through it. I was on welfare for nearly 3 years with my kids while I was fighting to get on SSI due to my out of control bipolar disorder. When I was finally approved, I had to pay back every penny that I had received from welfare. And it was mess, too, because they literally tried to take every penny and not just the portion that I received for myself. I handed the cash over to the county office the day after I received my retroactive check. That was years ago and things are done differently now. Now the states (all of them) work with the social security administration to recover any money due before a check is even issued to the person receiving social security. If it had been that way back when I first got on SSI, I wouldn't have had to pay $400 to cash my check (I didn't have a bank account) of less than $5,000 and then walk nearly $1,000 cash to the county welfare office. My retroactive check would have just been that much lower in the first place and I would have had the time to open an account. Long story short, the welfare office gave me 3 days to make payment but the banks all wanted to put a hold on the check for 10 if I opened an account. A retroactive check is the very first check a social security recipient receives. It is the money due upon date of approval for social security and goes back to the date of initial application. I hear these days they don't give checks in large amounts like I had gotten but spread that retro-money out across several months. They also have a maximum limit not always going all the way back to initial date of application on claims that take an inordinate time to settle. I believe your mixing up SSI (Supplemental Security Income) with SSDI. (Social Security Disability Insurance) The only payments that have to be paid back are overpayments made by the SSI or the SSDI program. Link Care to provide a link to the program you had to pay back?

tazzygirl -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 5:03:26 PM)
quote: Um the people collecting ga don't pay back the funds they're given if they're approved for SSDI... Who told you that? Once the state gives the money away, it's gone... There is no Federal SS Fairy there to replenish the coffers. http://www.paelderlaw.com/consumer-booklets/medical-assistance-estate-recovery/ A law recently signed into law by Governor Ed Rendell, obligates insurers to assist the Department of Public Welfare ("the Department") in obtaining reimbursement of Medical Assistance and Medicaid benefits in personal injury claims and lawsuits. This new law, catalogued as Act 2008-44 (“the Act”), provides significant new methods to the Department in its efforts to seek reimbursement of medical assistance payments made by the Department from money owed by third-parties on tort lawsuits brought by medical assistance recipients (“beneficiaries”). Written into Act 2008-44 are a number of areas where defendants and their insurers in personal injury claims and lawsuits, as well as the attorneys defending those parties, must exercise caution to avoid hostile action by the Department to recover medical assistance benefits expended on behalf of the plaintiff. The Act has immediate effect, and applies to lawsuits filed before the law was enacted. http://www.postschell.com/docs/publications/434.pdf

erieangel -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 8:02:21 PM)
Rob, your link has to do with over payments made by the social security administration. What I'm talking about is reimbursing the state for the help they've provided a person via GA cash assistance while that person awaits determination from social security. Here is a simple explanation. http://www.ehow.com/info_8530651_do-assistance-got-welfare-ssi.html "State benefits are considered "interim assistance payments" if you receive state assistance while waiting for SSI benefits to start. You may qualify for these funds only while you wait for SSI benefits. Your state or local government may have other emergency funds available as well. The SSA returns these payments to the government agency that assists you while you wait for benefits from the first payments you receive from SSI. It takes the amount you received from your back payment or retroactive payment and returns it to the agency. Some states supplement SSI benefits with state funds, and these funds do not require repayment." In PA SSI is supplemented with a payment of $22 a month (I think, might be off by a dollar or three). Or try this. Monday morning, call any department of public welfare office in the country and ask them if you apply for cash assistance because you are waiting for a decision from social security if the cash assistance will have to be repaid when you are approved.

subrob1967 -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 8:15:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel Rob, your link has to do with over payments made by the social security administration. What I'm talking about is reimbursing the state for the help they've provided a person via GA cash assistance while that person awaits determination from social security. Here is a simple explanation. http://www.ehow.com/info_8530651_do-assistance-got-welfare-ssi.html "State benefits are considered "interim assistance payments" if you receive state assistance while waiting for SSI benefits to start. You may qualify for these funds only while you wait for SSI benefits. Your state or local government may have other emergency funds available as well. The SSA returns these payments to the government agency that assists you while you wait for benefits from the first payments you receive from SSI. It takes the amount you received from your back payment or retroactive payment and returns it to the agency. Some states supplement SSI benefits with state funds, and these funds do not require repayment." In PA SSI is supplemented with a payment of $22 a month (I think, might be off by a dollar or three). Or try this. Monday morning, call any department of public welfare office in the country and ask them if you apply for cash assistance because you are waiting for a decision from social security if the cash assistance will have to be repaid when you are approved. So then you misread my reply when you said I was wrong? quote: Um the people collecting ga don't pay back the funds they're given if they're approved for SSDI... Who told you that? Once the state gives the money away, it's gone... There is no Federal SS Fairy there to replenish the coffers. If you would have clarified that you had to pay back the state, per a state law, I wouldn't have said what I said, you just used the generic term welfare, which I took to mean SSI.

erieangel -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 8:51:15 PM)
How did you take welfare--which is paid out by the state Department of Public Welfare to mean SSI, which is paid out by the social security department? When I say welfare, I mean state welfare, when I mean SSI or any other program from social security, I have been clear. Though it can be argued that SSI is nothing more than a federal welfare program for the disabled who have little or no work history to qualify for disability. Geez, this reminds me of the time I tried to explain to somebody how SSI does not use money in the so-called social security trust fund. Though SSI is administered by the Social Security Administration (thanks Nixon), the money is not taken from social security funds (that "fund" that we pay into with payroll taxes).

subrob1967 -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (6/30/2012 10:20:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel How did you take welfare--which is paid out by the state Department of Public Welfare to mean SSI, which is paid out by the social security department? When I say welfare, I mean state welfare, when I mean SSI or any other program from social security, I have been clear. Though it can be argued that SSI is nothing more than a federal welfare program for the disabled who have little or no work history to qualify for disability. Geez, this reminds me of the time I tried to explain to somebody how SSI does not use money in the so-called social security trust fund. Though SSI is administered by the Social Security Administration (thanks Nixon), the money is not taken from social security funds (that "fund" that we pay into with payroll taxes). SSI... Supplemental Security Income... Welfare that is sometimes enhanced by states. Here's Indiana's policy Pa SSI policy.

papassion -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (7/2/2012 10:42:57 AM)
I think everyone here has been to a supermarket checkout more than a few times and have seen a cart full of expensive cuts of meat and all kinds of goodies, paid for with an ACCESS card, presented with a cigerette smoking fat sow. Then her "boyfriend" smokes too, exposing their kids to harmful smoke, in addition to costing more than $300/month that could be better spent on the kids. If you don't get much to begin with and spend irresponsibly, who's fault is that? Should we give them more money so they can piss away more money? A poster said something about somebody not taking a job because it might hurt their SSI. Thats the problem. People figure why work. Always take the free money. I had an article from a newpaper that said (at the time 8 years ago) you would have to have a 32,000/yr job paying taxes to be equal in benefits available to a welfare recepient when you factored in all the benefits available. Housing assistance, cash assistance, food stamps, free healthcare, etc etc. If a person made $100,000.00/yr but liked to drink a $1,000.00 bottle of wine a day, smoke $200.00 cigars, eat $500.00 meals everyday, then cried he had no money left at the end of the month, would your heart bleed for him too? I got an e-mail cartoon. It had a woman at the supermarket behind a cart full of lobster tails. The lady with the lobster tails paid with an acess card. The caption under it read, gee, I wish I could afford lobster tails like that lady with the acess card.

tazzygirl -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (7/2/2012 10:54:05 AM)
So you get pissed about a woman getting steaks and smokes on food stamps, but think nothing of businesses getting billions of dollars in tax cuts spending money on the same things?

papassion -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (7/2/2012 11:03:16 AM)
Go to your yellow pages and look under "atorneys." there will be a lot who claim they can get you SSI disability or no fee. Your own common sense tells you lawyers don't waste their time or advertising budget on ventures that don't pay! With money getting tight, it is going to be harder to scam disability.

papassion -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (7/2/2012 11:05:59 AM)
I get pissed about any fraud, but at least a company getting corporate welfare provides jobs and a hell of a lot of tax money to the community. a welfare client just feeds the beer store and drug dealer.

Lockit -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (7/2/2012 11:06:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: papassion I think everyone here has been to a supermarket checkout more than a few times and have seen a cart full of expensive cuts of meat and all kinds of goodies, paid for with an ACCESS card, presented with a cigerette smoking fat sow. Then her "boyfriend" smokes too, exposing their kids to harmful smoke, in addition to costing more than $300/month that could be better spent on the kids. If you don't get much to begin with and spend irresponsibly, who's fault is that? Should we give them more money so they can piss away more money? A poster said something about somebody not taking a job because it might hurt their SSI. Thats the problem. People figure why work. Always take the free money. I had an article from a newpaper that said (at the time 8 years ago) you would have to have a 32,000/yr job paying taxes to be equal in benefits available to a welfare recepient when you factored in all the benefits available. Housing assistance, cash assistance, food stamps, free healthcare, etc etc. If a person made $100,000.00/yr but liked to drink a $1,000.00 bottle of wine a day, smoke $200.00 cigars, eat $500.00 meals everyday, then cried he had no money left at the end of the month, would your heart bleed for him too? I got an e-mail cartoon. It had a woman at the supermarket behind a cart full of lobster tails. The lady with the lobster tails paid with an acess card. The caption under it read, gee, I wish I could afford lobster tails like that lady with the acess card. Dear powers that be... are you living in the real world that some of these people live and not just reading about it? You have seen abuse. Abuse can be stopped with some reports from good citizens such as yourself. However, the majority do not live this exaggerated lifestyle you have suggested ever so eloquently. I suggest getting some real information by actually going to homeless shelters and the like to see how it really works. I suggest you fucking blow out a knee or hell... come down with some strange illness that takes twenty or so years to properly diagnose and see how it goes. You are talking from something you read, which could be there for a purpose or an agenda. Get out there if you are judge and find out what exactly you are judging. Until then, your exaggerated example doesn't say as much about the people in your example as it says about you and the ignorance in which you speak. One that has walked many through this and has been there herself. I took part in helping one state start this payment to those single adults without children that have applied for whichever form of disability they were applying for. In most states that offer these funds, the funds must be paid back to the state. The way I explained it to the senator I personally spoke with was... this Senator is how it works out on those streets and what happens when you don't provide these funds. Crime, abuse and prosecution and jailing, all go up and your cost are far more extreme than assisting those that cannot work due to a mental or physical limitation. Within an hour of my examples, he changed his vote and those of others that claimed the money just wasn't there. I do ask you... if you did blow your knee out or got some strange disease and you couldn't provide for yourself in any manner and had no one that could assist you... would you find two weeks in a homeless shelter beneficial and how beneficial would that be to you? What would you be willing to do to survive or would you have the means to end your life? PS. And before anyone goes there... I also worked to help those is these or similar situations, find employment or areas of employment and education that would keep them the self respecting, tax paying citizens they were at one time... longer. Help a man to fish... you know the deal.

tazzygirl -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (7/2/2012 11:07:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: papassion Go to your yellow pages and look under "atorneys." there will be a lot who claim they can get you SSI disability or no fee. Your own common sense tells you lawyers don't waste their time or advertising budget on ventures that don't pay! With money getting tight, it is going to be harder to scam disability. Nope, they dont waste their time. Which is why they have paralegals who do the foot work and they know what will get allowed and what wont. IF you feel someone is scamming disability, you should report them. Do you report businesses who scam as well?

Lockit -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (7/2/2012 11:23:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: papassion Go to your yellow pages and look under "atorneys." there will be a lot who claim they can get you SSI disability or no fee. Your own common sense tells you lawyers don't waste their time or advertising budget on ventures that don't pay! With money getting tight, it is going to be harder to scam disability. ROFLMAO! Common sense answers to a complex and broken system that works not for the benefit of the tax payer or the clients, don't always work. I don't have time to break it down for you as I typically do that for those in a serious crisis situation and if you ever get there, give me a call... until then, you have no idea what you are talking about and you might consider getting very well informed before you go toe to toe with people that know this shit.

Hillwilliam -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (7/2/2012 11:27:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: papassion I get pissed about any fraud, but at least a company getting corporate welfare provides jobs and a hell of a lot of tax money to the community. a welfare client just feeds the beer store and drug dealer. Some do. The lady who used to clean my office was on SSI. She found a job working with the homeless (she used to be homess). She told me that che actually has a bit less now than when she was getting SSI. I said sooooo are you going to quit your job. She said "Fuck no Im working and I like it. I'd just appreciate if you'd keep your eyes open for a better job than what Im in." We need more people like that.

Lockit -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (7/2/2012 11:35:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: papassion I get pissed about any fraud, but at least a company getting corporate welfare provides jobs and a hell of a lot of tax money to the community. a welfare client just feeds the beer store and drug dealer. Some do. The lady who used to clean my office was on SSI. She found a job working with the homeless (she used to be homess). She told me that che actually has a bit less now than when she was getting SSI. I said sooooo are you going to quit your job. She said "Fuck no Im working and I like it. I'd just appreciate if you'd keep your eyes open for a better job than what Im in." We need more people like that. You bet there are people like that! I am one of them. I could be on the 'dole' and one day may have to be if my ventures don't work out, but for a number of decades I have found a way because I want to find a way and in some things I wasn't lucky... but still found my way through it. I lived in a garage, I lived in a pull behind trailer in the country with a hose hooked up for plumbing... all because I didn't want to take from the tax payer for my existence and because I didn't want others to suffer because I dared to live... sick and injured. I met more that would rather work and have a life far better even on minimum wage than those that just wanted a hand out. Oh those hand out people are out there... I met them too, but most couldn't make it on a hand out and those that were doing them lived with others working the hand outs. They are very easy to spot and report. You bet somebodies sweet ass... if there is a way or provision to make a way created and the current system re-hauled in a humane and financially sane manner... many could in fact be doing something at least part time, but the system doesn't work that way and when you have just enough to be robbing Peter to pay Paul until they come to kick your ass... you don't take any more chances and therefore may not even try. Kudo's to those that keep trying, but sometimes it hurts them more or they just aren't able to physically do it or find someone that would hire them. The whole system is a real shame.

tazzygirl -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (7/2/2012 11:37:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: papassion I get pissed about any fraud, but at least a company getting corporate welfare provides jobs and a hell of a lot of tax money to the community. a welfare client just feeds the beer store and drug dealer. Some do. The lady who used to clean my office was on SSI. She found a job working with the homeless (she used to be homess). She told me that che actually has a bit less now than when she was getting SSI. I said sooooo are you going to quit your job. She said "Fuck no Im working and I like it. I'd just appreciate if you'd keep your eyes open for a better job than what Im in." We need more people like that. More tax money? http://www.disabilitylawclaims.com/blog/employers-have-incentive-to-hire-ssi-recipients.cfm

vincentML -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (7/2/2012 12:16:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: papassion I get pissed about any fraud, but at least a company getting corporate welfare provides jobs and a hell of a lot of tax money to the community. a welfare client just feeds the beer store and drug dealer. Jobs for the community? China? India?

vincentML -> RE: PA cuts off those most in need (7/2/2012 12:18:14 PM)
quote: I got an e-mail cartoon. It had a woman at the supermarket behind a cart full of lobster tails. The lady with the lobster tails paid with an acess card. The caption under it read, gee, I wish I could afford lobster tails like that lady with the acess card. Was that cartoon signed by Ronnie Reagan?

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