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mnottertail -> Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 5:58:28 AM)
http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-proof-god-particle-found-131226045.html?fb_action_ids=3776455568139&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_ref=type%3Aread%2Cuser%3AKeI-qwGwz_99W9ITdTUvSf-999s&fb_source=other_multiline&code=AQBQFPntXlOfbf_F7vUaFoL4OBQGp-UF2VYwd_qWQHdOfApzqA01FRxZf_wxtLAZiwjgDBc6X1HHDfK3m3zSkhbcwE5IeCHd60n5-W-o-T_kSFiFFtvgrLT56DIZnw-1StN7FshmllzNdUtyQ5xpcTaaaVLT7TWGN6zJTCkVZ8oMof06HVi6n7qOYfbB3scGOHk#_=_

Hillwilliam -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 5:59:56 AM)
I'm tellin' ya. When they finally DO isolate that elusive "God Particle" it's gonna look like a tiny roll of duct tape.

Marini -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 7:24:51 AM)
lol, I don't really get it, but one thing I know of......... .......... human's enjoy looking for PROOF of everything. [sm=flying.gif]

mnottertail -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 7:32:48 AM)
So, the duct tape thing, you think its not strings, but that the universe if fundamentally sticky? It means that there is an actor that gives things mass at the atomic level, an intermediary vibrator that makes a field.

Marini -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 7:36:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail So, the duct tape thing, you think its not strings, but that the universe if fundamentally sticky? It means that there is an actor that gives things mass at the atomic level, an intermediary vibrator that makes a field. I guess I understand the basic "premise" here, but I believe in GOD/GODDESS 1 billion zillion percent, so looking for proof is just funny. I will get my "proof" on the other side. Cute article though!

mnottertail -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 7:38:51 AM)
There is nothing in the article that suggests that there couldnt be a god or goddess or ssssss several levels up the chain. They have not seen evidence of this intermediary, but based on how things around it work, have posited that it had to exist.

TheHeretic -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 7:45:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam I'm tellin' ya. When they finally DO isolate that elusive "God Particle" it's gonna look like a tiny roll of duct tape. I dunno, Hill. The universe is pretty big. It might look like a spool of baling wire.

OttersSwim -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 8:07:23 AM)
It won't look like duct tape. That shit won't hold anything together - least of all ducts!

Rule -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 8:25:13 AM)
quote: only the most curmudgeonly will not believe that they have found it. I am curmudgeonly.

TheHeretic -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 8:27:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OttersSwim It won't look like duct tape. That shit won't hold anything together - least of all ducts! A poor workman blames his tools

kdsub -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 9:07:55 AM)
What a waste of time...they are striving to understand the unknowable...How silly looking for a particle that gives all others mass...Even if they found it we will never really understand it. I guess this research may help us mechanically as we manipulate our surroundings for our comfort and aggression. But it will never reveal the answer to the ultimate secret of the universe…Something from Nothing. To understand that concept we will require belief in magic and God…all outside the reach of the purely analytical minds of science. Butch

mnottertail -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 9:09:56 AM)
NO, they already understand how it works, the question is, does it exist.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 9:10:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub What a waste of time...they are striving to understand the unknowable...How silly looking for a particle that gives all others mass...Even if they found it we will never really understand it. I guess this research may help us mechanically as we manipulate our surroundings for our comfort and aggression. But it will never reveal the answer to the ultimate secret of the universe…Something from Nothing. To understand that concept we will require belief in magic and God…all outside the reach of the purely analytical minds of science. Butch How can you be certain it is unknowable? Can you truly be certain that it cannot be understood? What was the old saw about a sufficiently high level of technology being indistinguishable from magic?

kdsub -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 9:18:10 AM)
quote: How can you be certain it is unknowable? Can you truly be certain that it cannot be understood I am absolutely positive that we will never understand something from nothing... there can be no valid answer to this in science by its very nature. If you don't believe me then lets bet...lol anything you choose. Butch

vincentML -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 9:47:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: How can you be certain it is unknowable? Can you truly be certain that it cannot be understood I am absolutely positive that we will never understand something from nothing... there can be no valid answer to this in science by its very nature. If you don't believe me then lets bet...lol anything you choose. Butch A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing [Hardcover]

mnottertail -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 9:52:51 AM)
I am absolutely positive that we will never understand something from nothing... there can be no valid answer to this in science by its very nature. This is prima facie incorrect. there is not a case of something from nothing, these are all from something.

vincentML -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 10:14:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I am absolutely positive that we will never understand something from nothing... there can be no valid answer to this in science by its very nature. This is prima facie incorrect. there is not a case of something from nothing, these are all from something. the Void is not necessarily empty.

mnottertail -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 10:17:11 AM)
We know it is not, natura abhorret a vacuo. And the background of the sky is dark at night.

DomKen -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 10:30:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: How can you be certain it is unknowable? Can you truly be certain that it cannot be understood I am absolutely positive that we will never understand something from nothing... there can be no valid answer to this in science by its very nature. If you don't believe me then lets bet...lol anything you choose. Butch This is not a valid statement since no theory of physics or cosmology posits something from nothing.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Are we there yet? Science and the Universe (7/3/2012 12:00:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam I'm tellin' ya. When they finally DO isolate that elusive "God Particle" it's gonna look like a tiny roll of duct tape. I dunno, Hill. The universe is pretty big. It might look like a spool of baling wire. Still hanging onto "String Theory" huh?

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