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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/13/2012 10:43:49 PM

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It is 1:30 in the am and I just returned from an hour at work for which I will not paid, because I am on call pretty much 24/7. Instead of hiring a 3rd shift worker when the last one quit, my agency decided to dump everything onto my shoulders and those of my supervisor. We take turns with the on call, but I end up handling most of them for some reason (he's the boss).

I don't make enough to have to deal with the b.s. that comes out of that place. But I do it anyway because I love my job.

As for starting my own business. I have no interest in doing so. I am a health care worker in the mental health field. There are not many opportunities for me to start my own business. However, I have a deal with my son that if he gets his culinary arts degree, I will help him open a restaurant. I'm not going to mortgage everything I have unless he has that degree though.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/13/2012 11:00:11 PM

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Wow Tweak.......

That is quite interesting.......

If true.......he can kiss the fundie vote good-bye.

Considering all the praise Mitt`s been getting from cons about the vertues of putting profits over moral considerations and how well he did(does?) that at Bain,it`s not hard to imagine that Mitt would be involved in a business like Stericycle.

Update........Sarah says she`s cool on Mitt that he has to set the RR`s hair on fire if he`s to get their vote.

Meanwhile back at the ranch.....VP poss.Condi says "here is no way that I will do this"............

Ouch.......another ringing endorsement of the Mitster.......

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/13/2012 11:03:57 PM

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He's the one running for President. Are you that clueless?

Would you have minded if Bush didn't show for eight years?

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/13/2012 11:04:51 PM

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He didn`t.

Duhhh.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/13/2012 11:14:39 PM

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He didn`t.

Duhhh.

Then whats your beef?

I don't see you whining about Obama, and his good buddy Immelt, ya know, the guy who shipped 28,000 xray production jobs to China.[link=http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2011/04/19/jobs-at-big-u-s-firms-move-overseas/link]

Nobody gives a fuck about what Romney did 10,12, or 20 years ago... Except progressives looking to sling shit.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/13/2012 11:25:38 PM

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Owner 59
That is quite interesting.......

If true.......he can kiss the fundie vote good-bye

"Earlier this year, Mitt Romney nearly landed in a politically perilous controversy when the Huffington Post reported that in 1999 the GOP presidential candidate had been part of an investment group that invested $75 million in Stericycle, a medical-waste disposal firm that has been attacked by anti-abortion groups for disposing aborted fetuses collected from family planning clinics. Coming during the heat of the GOP primaries, as Romney tried to sell South Carolina Republicans on his pro-life bona fides, the revelation had the potential to damage the candidate's reputation among values voters already suspicious of his shifting position on abortion.

But Bain Capital, the private equity firm Romney founded, tamped down the controversy. The company said Romney left the firm in February 1999 to run the troubled 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City and likely had nothing to with the deal. The matter never became a campaign issue. But documents filed by Bain and Stericycle with the Securities and Exchange Commission—and obtained by Mother Jones—list Romney as an active participant in the investment. And this deal helped Stericycle, a company with a poor safety record, grow, while yielding tens of millions of dollars in profits for Romney and his partners. The documents—one of which was signed by Romney—also contradict the official account of Romney's exit from Bain.

The Stericycle deal—the abortion connection aside—is relevant because of questions regarding the timing of Romney's departure from the private equity firm he founded. Responding to a recent Washington Post story reporting that Bain-acquired companies outsourced jobs, the Romney campaign insisted that Romney exited Bain in February 1999, a month or more before Bain took over two of the companies named in the Post's article. The SEC documents undercut that defense, indicating that Romney still played a role in Bain investments until at least the end of 1999.

Here's what happened with Stericycle........" http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/romney-bain-abortion-stericycle-sec

There a number of articles in Mother Jones exploring Mittens' business dealings during the period he claimed to have resigned or taken leave of absence from Bain, and the extent to which he and Bain made millions from those dealings.

My feeling is that you are correct to suggest that the implications of this are potentially disastrous for Romney's relationship with the Religious Right, who will react I suspect by voting with their feet and deserting his campaign. To me, they (the RR) have no choice but to do so if they wish to retain a shred of moral integrity and self respect. And the RR likes to think of itself as very moral and morally uncompromising at that.

Whatever the reaction of the Religious Right, this does explain why Mittens has very good reasons (from his point of view) for keeping this whole sordid affair under very wrap.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/13/2012 11:34:22 PM

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He didn`t.

Duhhh.

Then whats your beef?

I don't see you whining about Obama, and his good buddy Immelt, ya know, the guy who shipped 28,000 xray production jobs to China.[link=http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2011/04/19/jobs-at-big-u-s-firms-move-overseas/link]

Nobody gives a fuck about what Romney did 10,12, or 20 years ago... Except progressives looking to sling shit.

My beef?

I don`t know.......

Letting the vice-treasonist run the admin.....

Getting four thousand five hundred of our young GIs killed.....

Throwing GIs under the bus for Abu Ghraib......something dick ordered.....

Destroying 17 trillion dollars in American investments and savings and the American economy.....

Duhhh!

Oh right.....you just arrived in America and did see it.

It`s ironic that a bushie would try to make a no-show-job insult on anyone else.....just say`n.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 6:10:26 AM

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I have a hard time figuring it out, and the Romney campaign sure isn't being forthcoming. Since he earned a salary as an executive with Bain Capital in 2001 and 2002, it hardly looks like he no longer worked for them.

Romney's statement "In Romney’s 2002 race for governor, he testified before the state Ballot Law Commission that his separation from Bain in 1999 had been a “leave of absence” and not a final departure" might be an explanation. In that case, he would have earned a salary for essentially being on the books as an officer while doing nothing. That sure won't help fight the image of a fat-cat plutocrat who earned fat checks while the workers got canned. But note that a Romney campaign official claimed that "Romney’s signature on some documents after his exit does not indicate active involvement in the firm. " Um, good luck with that one, fella. If he was empowered to enter into legal decisions on the firm's behalf, he's VERY involved.

I have no clue why he would claim to have left Bain's employment while SEC filings and his signature as a Bain officer proved otherwise. Dumbass.

So he had a no show job like Michelle Obama... And this is now a problem?

Michelle Obama is doing exactly what a First Lady is supposed to do. Being a dutiful wife and mother, and doing volunteer activities - hers is fighting obesity and dealing with Limbaugh's criticisms for so doing. She has never publicly claimed to be doing anything other than what she is doing.

My post was unfortunately too rambling, and one of my rabbit-hole musings was on Romney's image as a no-show top officer. While that IMO would be damaging to his image, it's looking more and more like he was fully engaged at Bain and is simply lying to avoid unpleasantness.

Maybe Tweak's premise is right and he is avoiding acknowledging involvement with Stericycle. Who knows?

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 7:55:23 AM

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"New Documents Could Prove Mitt Romney Committed A Felony"

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/13/new-documents-could-prove-mitt-romney-committed-a-felony/

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 8:08:21 AM

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He didn`t.

Duhhh.

Then whats your beef?

I don't see you whining about Obama, and his good buddy Immelt, ya know, the guy who shipped 28,000 xray production jobs to China.[link=http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2011/04/19/jobs-at-big-u-s-firms-move-overseas/link]

Nobody gives a fuck about what Romney did 10,12, or 20 years ago... Except progressives looking to sling shit.

It matters.

It matters because he said he wasn't at Bain when jobs were outsourced as he had left already.
That was and is a part of his campaign when all different types of people along the campaign trail raised questions about how much of a job creator he was.
That is an issue because he is making his history at Bain part of the reason why we should want him to be president.

It matters because he said he wasn't there after 2002.

So, now people who have have been on the fence, have reason to take a hard look at his credibility.
Is he a basically an honest or dishonest person, and what else has he tried to fudge the truth on?

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 8:18:52 AM

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''Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive''

"New Documents Could Prove Mitt Romney Committed A Felony"

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/13/new-documents-could-prove-mitt-romney-committed-a-felony/

Ridiculous. Romney is WAY too smart to lie on SEC documents. It's looking like he simply lied about having nothing to do with Bain when we was eyeballs deep in it. Lying to the SEC is a felony. Lying to the US people is politics. He's lying to the people.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 8:21:07 AM

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He didn`t.

Duhhh.

Then whats your beef?

I don't see you whining about Obama, and his good buddy Immelt, ya know, the guy who shipped 28,000 xray production jobs to China.[link=http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2011/04/19/jobs-at-big-u-s-firms-move-overseas/link]

Nobody gives a fuck about what Romney did 10,12, or 20 years ago... Except progressives looking to sling shit.

Pssst Rob... it was discussed way back when it first came out, three pages worth
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3816119/mpage_1/tm.htm

btw, it was a bunch of US execs moving to Beijing. The manufacturing plant and all the jobs is staying in Waukesha WI.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904772304576467873321597208.html

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 8:24:35 AM

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It matters.

It matters because he said he wasn't at Bain when jobs were outsourced as he had left already.
That was and is a part of his campaign when all different types of people along the campaign trail raised questions about how much of a job creator he was.
That is an issue because he is making his history at Bain part of the reason why we should want him to be president.

It matters because he said he wasn't there after 2002.

So, now people who have have been on the fence, have reason to take a hard look at his credibility.
Is he a basically an honest or dishonest person, and what else has he tried to fudge the truth on?

Obama's jobs advisory board loaded with CEO's who outsourced, Jeff Immelt has a guest pass to the Lincoln bedroom, how many jobs has GE outsourced?

No it really doesn't matter what Romney did ten years ago, what matters is what Obama's doing right now... And that's flushing the country down the toilet... Progressives want to hold Romney to a higher standard than Obama, and the hypocrisy is down right sickening.

Even FactCheck has called Obama out on his lying, Obama's own fucking autobiography is full of lies, but here we are, progressives making topics on the latest White House talking point... It doesn't matter if it's true or not, Obama says it, so they repeat it... Bunch of fucking parrots.

Tell you what, before calling for ANY more of Romney's records, how about you guys START calling for all the records Obama has had locked up? Fair is fair, right?

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 8:26:25 AM

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Don't use facts, it screws up their talking points

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 8:33:04 AM

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They usually pull the, "Keep out of it you aren't American" Crap...as if thats gonna shut me up.

GE and IMMELT have been shipping jobs overseas since 2001, but the xray division caused a bit of a flap, until they read it more carefully.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 8:36:06 AM

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It matters.

It matters because he said he wasn't at Bain when jobs were outsourced as he had left already.
That was and is a part of his campaign when all different types of people along the campaign trail raised questions about how much of a job creator he was.
That is an issue because he is making his history at Bain part of the reason why we should want him to be president.

It matters because he said he wasn't there after 2002.

So, now people who have have been on the fence, have reason to take a hard look at his credibility.
Is he a basically an honest or dishonest person, and what else has he tried to fudge the truth on?

Obama's jobs advisory board loaded with CEO's who outsourced, Jeff Immelt has a guest pass to the Lincoln bedroom, how many jobs has GE outsourced?

No it really doesn't matter what Romney did ten years ago, what matters is what Obama's doing right now... And that's flushing the country down the toilet... Progressives want to hold Romney to a higher standard than Obama, and the hypocrisy is down right sickening.

Even FactCheck has called Obama out on his lying, Obama's own fucking autobiography is full of lies, but here we are, progressives making topics on the latest White House talking point... It doesn't matter if it's true or not, Obama says it, so they repeat it... Bunch of fucking parrots.

Tell you what, before calling for ANY more of Romney's records, how about you guys START calling for all the records Obama has had locked up? Fair is fair, right?

Add to it his deep involvement in a cult, at management levels, the inability to tell the truth, no record of actual experience in running business, his families long history of violating american law, his failure to be open about his financials, his atrociaous performance as governor, his worn out bullshit ideology, and why should we care.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 8:43:12 AM

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Add to it his deep involvement in a cult, at management levels, the inability to tell the truth, no record of actual experience in running business, his families long history of violating american law, his failure to be open about his financials, his atrociaous performance as governor, his worn out bullshit ideology, and why should we care.

So WE ARE talking about Obama after all, but Obama was never Governor... Who would have thunk it, everyone keeps mistyping Obama as Romney, thanks for finally telling the truth.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 9:03:13 AM

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It matters.

It matters because he said he wasn't at Bain when jobs were outsourced as he had left already.
That was and is a part of his campaign when all different types of people along the campaign trail raised questions about how much of a job creator he was.
That is an issue because he is making his history at Bain part of the reason why we should want him to be president.

It matters because he said he wasn't there after 2002.

So, now people who have have been on the fence, have reason to take a hard look at his credibility.
Is he a basically an honest or dishonest person, and what else has he tried to fudge the truth on?

Obama's jobs advisory board loaded with CEO's who outsourced, Jeff Immelt has a guest pass to the Lincoln bedroom, how many jobs has GE outsourced?

No it really doesn't matter what Romney did ten years ago, what matters is what Obama's doing right now... And that's flushing the country down the toilet... Progressives want to hold Romney to a higher standard than Obama, and the hypocrisy is down right sickening.

Even FactCheck has called Obama out on his lying, Obama's own fucking autobiography is full of lies, but here we are, progressives making topics on the latest White House talking point... It doesn't matter if it's true or not, Obama says it, so they repeat it... Bunch of fucking parrots.

Tell you what, before calling for ANY more of Romney's records, how about you guys START calling for all the records Obama has had locked up? Fair is fair, right?

Again, it only matters because Romney used it as a defense.
"[He] wasn't there after 1999."

(btw: you seem to feel this is agenda driven; you have no idea who I was planning on voting for.)

Romney could not be in 2 places at once unless this is some kind of Physics fluke. He either was at Bain (as it is stated in the SEC filings) or he wasn't (as he has stated).

There is no in-between.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 9:15:32 AM

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Add to it his deep involvement in a cult, at management levels, the inability to tell the truth, no record of actual experience in running business, his families long history of violating american law, his failure to be open about his financials, his atrociaous performance as governor, his worn out bullshit ideology, and why should we care.

So WE ARE talking about Obama after all, but Obama was never Governor... Who would have thunk it, everyone keeps mistyping Obama as Romney, thanks for finally telling the truth.

Nope, we are talking about deep rabid rightwing Nazi-Klanners, Romney, et al. I understand you know now that your entire ideology
is crumbling before your eyes, and your party is floundering, but get a hold of yourself, chummy.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 9:58:24 AM

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''Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive''

"New Documents Could Prove Mitt Romney Committed A Felony"

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/13/new-documents-could-prove-mitt-romney-committed-a-felony/

Ridiculous. Romney is WAY too smart to lie on SEC documents. It's looking like he simply lied about having nothing to do with Bain when we was eyeballs deep in it. Lying to the SEC is a felony. Lying to the US people is politics. He's lying to the people.

Well.....that`s the rub.

I think you`re giving him to much credit......his deer-in-the-headlights reaction tells me there something to it.

But we`ll see.

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