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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 2:34:41 PM

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It matters.

It matters because he said he wasn't at Bain when jobs were outsourced as he had left already.
That was and is a part of his campaign when all different types of people along the campaign trail raised questions about how much of a job creator he was.
That is an issue because he is making his history at Bain part of the reason why we should want him to be president.

It matters because he said he wasn't there after 2002.

So, now people who have have been on the fence, have reason to take a hard look at his credibility.
Is he a basically an honest or dishonest person, and what else has he tried to fudge the truth on?

Obama's jobs advisory board loaded with CEO's who outsourced, Jeff Immelt has a guest pass to the Lincoln bedroom, how many jobs has GE outsourced?

No it really doesn't matter what Romney did ten years ago, what matters is what Obama's doing right now... And that's flushing the country down the toilet... Progressives want to hold Romney to a higher standard than Obama, and the hypocrisy is down right sickening.

Even FactCheck has called Obama out on his lying, Obama's own fucking autobiography is full of lies, but here we are, progressives making topics on the latest White House talking point... It doesn't matter if it's true or not, Obama says it, so they repeat it... Bunch of fucking parrots.

Tell you what, before calling for ANY more of Romney's records, how about you guys START calling for all the records Obama has had locked up? Fair is fair, right?

Obama's already released more documentation that Willard Romney.

Where are the documents proving that Romeny wasn't part of a polygamist family?

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 4:37:53 PM

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It matters.

It matters because he said he wasn't at Bain when jobs were outsourced as he had left already.
That was and is a part of his campaign when all different types of people along the campaign trail raised questions about how much of a job creator he was.
That is an issue because he is making his history at Bain part of the reason why we should want him to be president.

It matters because he said he wasn't there after 2002.

So, now people who have have been on the fence, have reason to take a hard look at his credibility.
Is he a basically an honest or dishonest person, and what else has he tried to fudge the truth on?

Obama's jobs advisory board loaded with CEO's who outsourced, Jeff Immelt has a guest pass to the Lincoln bedroom, how many jobs has GE outsourced?

No it really doesn't matter what Romney did ten years ago, what matters is what Obama's doing right now... And that's flushing the country down the toilet... Progressives want to hold Romney to a higher standard than Obama, and the hypocrisy is down right sickening.

Even FactCheck has called Obama out on his lying, Obama's own fucking autobiography is full of lies, but here we are, progressives making topics on the latest White House talking point... It doesn't matter if it's true or not, Obama says it, so they repeat it... Bunch of fucking parrots.

Tell you what, before calling for ANY more of Romney's records, how about you guys START calling for all the records Obama has had locked up? Fair is fair, right?

Obama's already released more documentation that Willard Romney.

Where are the documents proving that Romeny wasn't part of a polygamist family?

It is well known that Romney's great-grandparents fled the US to Mexico because they were polygamists.
That is not a slam against Mitt, just a statement of his family history.

We all have our own colorful chapters.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 4:45:01 PM

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A friend's recent FB status:

I want a job that pays $100,000 a year but does not require me to have any involvement in the company. Is Bain hiring?

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 7:27:44 PM

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A friend's recent FB status:

I want a job that pays $100,000 a year but does not require me to have any involvement in the company. Is Bain hiring?

Tell them to try the University of Chicago

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 8:39:24 PM

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I`ll take Chicago over .......ummm....Indianapolis?......any fuck`n day.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/14/2012 10:35:07 PM

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I have a hard time figuring it out, and the Romney campaign sure isn't being forthcoming. Since he earned a salary as an executive with Bain Capital in 2001 and 2002, it hardly looks like he no longer worked for them.

Romney's statement "In Romney’s 2002 race for governor, he testified before the state Ballot Law Commission that his separation from Bain in 1999 had been a “leave of absence” and not a final departure" might be an explanation. In that case, he would have earned a salary for essentially being on the books as an officer while doing nothing. That sure won't help fight the image of a fat-cat plutocrat who earned fat checks while the workers got canned. But note that a Romney campaign official claimed that "Romney’s signature on some documents after his exit does not indicate active involvement in the firm. " Um, good luck with that one, fella. If he was empowered to enter into legal decisions on the firm's behalf, he's VERY involved.

I have no clue why he would claim to have left Bain's employment while SEC filings and his signature as a Bain officer proved otherwise. Dumbass.

So he had a no show job like Michelle Obama... And this is now a problem?

Michelle Obama is doing exactly what a First Lady is supposed to do. Being a dutiful wife and mother, and doing volunteer activities - hers is fighting obesity and dealing with Limbaugh's criticisms for so doing. She has never publicly claimed to be doing anything other than what she is doing.

My post was unfortunately too rambling, and one of my rabbit-hole musings was on Romney's image as a no-show top officer. While that IMO would be damaging to his image, it's looking more and more like he was fully engaged at Bain and is simply lying to avoid unpleasantness.

Maybe Tweak's premise is right and he is avoiding acknowledging involvement with Stericycle. Who knows?

You are far too generous DS - it's not my premise! It is the only explanation I know of that fills in all the gaps in Mitten's history in a significant way. It's perfectly possible that there are other explanations.

We should note that Mitten's conversion to the anti-choice position on abortion was a comparatively recent one, widely believed to be undertaken in order to make himself more palatable to the Religious Right. So, at the time it was taken, Mitten's decision to become involved in the abortion industry may not have had the consequences for his relationship with the RR it currently does. In the final analysis, I suspect that the RR will be far more persuaded by the fact that he was involved, and that he benefited financially from that involvement, than anything else.

Unfortunately for Mittens, I'm afraid I can't see the Religious Right extending a lot of Christian forgiving in this matter.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 4:12:24 AM

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A friend's recent FB status:

I want a job that pays $100,000 a year but does not require me to have any involvement in the company. Is Bain hiring?

I find it very interesting that almost all of the lefts criticism against Mitt circles back to how much money he made. How big his house is. How many cars he has.

If I didn't know better I would think that a lot of people just hate him because he is more successful than they were.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 5:39:43 AM

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A friend's recent FB status:

I want a job that pays $100,000 a year but does not require me to have any involvement in the company. Is Bain hiring?

I find it very interesting that almost all of the lefts criticism against Mitt circles back to how much money he made. How big his house is. How many cars he has.

If I didn't know better I would think that a lot of people just hate him because he is more successful than they were.

It's a good thing you do know better then isn't it?

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 5:46:04 AM

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I find it very interesting that almost all of the lefts criticism against Mitt circles back to how much money he made. How big his house is. How many cars he has.

If I didn't know better I would think that a lot of people just hate him because he is more successful than they were.

That could be effective. Clinton won partly because he was able to connect with people ("I feel your pain") and because Bush 41 was seen as being out of touch when he touted a supermarket scanner as being cutting edge technology.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 6:06:38 AM

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That well known hotbed of liberal thought, Forbes Magazine has listed 35 questions that Mittens needs to answer promptly and openly. Forbes says Romney needs to answer them all satisfactorily before this issue is going away. You can read them here.

For an amusing, irreverent and perhaps incisive analysis of the problems facing poor hapless Mittens, check out this blog:
http://therapysblog-fromtpm.blogspot.com/2012/07/mitt-mastermind-versus-willard-weasel.html

Mittens has tried to go onto the front foot, demanding an apology from Obama and conducting a media blitz in his own defence. This tactic doesn't appear to have made the issue go away. As Forbes puts it, it has raised more questions that it answered.

For someone with nothing to hide, accounting for the business dealings over a three year period would seem a straightforward task. Yet the longer this goes on, the more mystery surrounds the basic question, still unanswered: What are the facts about Mitten's relationship with Bains over the period in question? I suspect people are going to keep asking it until they get detailed answers. The longer it goes on, the more suspicions are raised .....

It is starting to look like Mitten's Presidential bid is on the line here and the Dems are sensing blood.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 6:36:33 AM

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http://bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2012/07/11/government-documents-indicate-mitt-romney-continued-bain-after-date-when-says-left/IpfKYWjnrsel4pvCFbsUTI/story.html

"Government documents filed by Mitt Romney and Bain Capital say Romney remained chief executive and chairman of the firm three years beyond the date he said he ceded control, even creating five new investment partnerships during that time.

Romney has said he left Bain in 1999 to lead the winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, ending his role in the company. But public Securities and Exchange Commission documents filed later by Bain Capital state he remained the firm’s “sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president.”

Also, a Massachusetts financial disclosure form Romney filed in 2003 states that he still owned 100 percent of Bain Capital in 2002. And Romney’s state financial disclosure forms indicate he earned at least $100,000 as a Bain “executive” in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings.

The timing of Romney’s departure from Bain is a key point of contention because he has said his resignation in February 1999 meant he was not responsible for Bain Capital companies that went bankrupt or laid off workers after that date."

This is all about this ridiculous concept that Romney was head of Bain when jobs were lost.

Who GIVES a FUCK? Seriously!

The guy made shitloads of money...in the interim, some lost their jobs, he increased revenues for the general till (read: taxes)...and some gained some jobs as well.

Who gives a fuck?

Everyone who gives a fuck is anally focused on the fact that some people lost jobs.

SO WHAT???!!!

People lose their jobs every day....others get jobs.

This guy, whether he killed 100,000 jobs and added 50,000 jobs...the jobs he lost were gonna be lost anyway.

Give it up.

I don't give a shit who wins but I'm telling you...focusing on this shit is a total waste of time.

Start a fucking business if you hate this shit so much.

Try it...it ain't so damned easy.

I agree. there are two points. 1) He is a serial liar when called upon to recite his history and trying to use it to justify his claims to be a job creator. 2) We discover in fact that he is the all too typical greedy capitalist scum that makes up most all of wall street and big banking in this country.

What we are seeing for the first time is a candidate directly from the narrow, parochial paper-trading, speculating, ruthless, often thieving character of the equity business we find on wall street and far too many corporate offices.

Kinkroids, when will you all get a grip ? We had to pass a federal law (ERISA) to protect the great capitalist proletariat (labor) from their great hero's of capitalism...stealing your retirement fund and cutting off your pensions and benefits therefrom.

That IS American big business. Next question. What is a business community's values when we actually needed to pass such a law ?

Those are the values of unpatriotic, thieving, greedy, ruthless vulture capitalists, just the country the bankers and inverstors have created and nothing like the country founded by our forefathers.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 6:40:21 AM

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A friend's recent FB status:

I want a job that pays $100,000 a year but does not require me to have any involvement in the company. Is Bain hiring?

Tell them to try the University of Chicago

Why ?

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 6:47:09 AM

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A friend's recent FB status:

I want a job that pays $100,000 a year but does not require me to have any involvement in the company. Is Bain hiring?

I find it very interesting that almost all of the lefts criticism against Mitt circles back to how much money he made. How big his house is. How many cars he has.

If I didn't know better I would think that a lot of people just hate him because he is more successful than they were.

* shrugs *

I just thought it was a funny line.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 6:51:22 AM

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A friend's recent FB status:

I want a job that pays $100,000 a year but does not require me to have any involvement in the company. Is Bain hiring?

I find it very interesting that almost all of the lefts criticism against Mitt circles back to how much money he made. How big his house is. How many cars he has.

If I didn't know better I would think that a lot of people just hate him because he is more successful than they were.

Not even a nice try. What we read here is what you want to think and yet, you know you can't. There is almost no mention of his money here or anywhere. (except Romnany himself trying be middle-class and failing miserably) It is his lies, lies and damn lies.

You again as the right has nothing left now, take a swipe at the messenger and their motives rather than the message because it is getting far too politically unpalatable for real conservatives to stomach this man.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 10:12:52 AM

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DomKen...Yes I do know better, at least with most reasonable people.

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I find it very interesting that almost all of the lefts criticism against Mitt circles back to how much money he made. How big his house is. How many cars he has.

If I didn't know better I would think that a lot of people just hate him because he is more successful than they were.

That could be effective. Clinton won partly because he was able to connect with people ("I feel your pain") and because Bush 41 was seen as being out of touch when he touted a supermarket scanner as being cutting edge technology.

Some people do love to play the us vs them game.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 10:17:31 AM

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A friend's recent FB status:

I want a job that pays $100,000 a year but does not require me to have any involvement in the company. Is Bain hiring?

I find it very interesting that almost all of the lefts criticism against Mitt circles back to how much money he made. How big his house is. How many cars he has.

If I didn't know better I would think that a lot of people just hate him because he is more successful than they were.

* shrugs *

I just thought it was a funny line.

It was. It just made me think of other comments I have heard.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 10:43:52 AM

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A friend's recent FB status:

I want a job that pays $100,000 a year but does not require me to have any involvement in the company. Is Bain hiring?

I find it very interesting that almost all of the lefts criticism against Mitt circles back to how much money he made. How big his house is. How many cars he has.

If I didn't know better I would think that a lot of people just hate him because he is more successful than they were.

Not even a nice try. What we read here is what you want to think and yet, you know you can't. There is almost no mention of his money here or anywhere. (except Romnany himself trying be middle-class and failing miserably) It is his lies, lies and damn lies.

You again as the right has nothing left now, take a swipe at the messenger and their motives rather than the message because it is getting far too politically unpalatable for real conservatives to stomach this man.

No mention of his money anywhere? You sure about that...

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 11:16:58 AM

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You`re as shallow as the come......

You don`t even have a grasp of the issues,much less have something to offer.

What are you doing here?

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 11:20:33 AM

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So is anyone buying the "retroactive retirement" claim?
http://www.businessinsider.com/ed-gillespie-mitt-romney-bain-capital-retired-retroactively-2012-7

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/15/2012 11:37:58 AM

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So is anyone buying the "retroactive retirement" claim?
http://www.businessinsider.com/ed-gillespie-mitt-romney-bain-capital-retired-retroactively-2012-7

That is just too weird for words.

I'd love to see the document itself. Does it state:

If he rescinds his executive pay during that time?
What happens to any decisions he made then?
Do his SEC filings get resubmitted with his name removed and others' names replacing his?

My bet is that it's an empty document and simply attempts to establish an unsupportable legal fiction that he was unaffiliated with Bain, because some notarized statement says so.

Edited to add: Romney stated in 2002 that he was still with Bain.

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