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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 12:35:15 PM   
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I wasn't.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 12:43:00 PM   
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Ya , well I AM a LADY!!!!


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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 12:45:24 PM   
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I'd hope so with an arse like that...

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 12:58:29 PM   
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
oh ya, undeniable proof
NOT
Thats SOOOOOO Last year
idiot


I'm the idiot? prove it, dumb ass. Provide a link that the story is fake.

Ok, idiot.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 1:02:19 PM   
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Fox confirms it:)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/
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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 8:34:27 PM   
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“The buck stops with me.”

That was Richard Nixon. I'm sure you remember him: the last leader your party had who wasn't so crooked that they had to dismantle him in order to fit him through the white house door?
(The rightists in the thread should think about this for a second. Every president the GOP has elected since 1980 makes Nixon look good by comparison. Alas Babylon...)



Actually it was Harry Truman, then Obama... Do have your spot o tea though, your synapses aren't firing in the right order.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 8:57:18 PM   
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For those interested, Vanity Fair has published an in-depth investigation of Romney's finances. There is no suggestion that Mittens has broken any US law in his financial dealings. Whether his dealings are up to the ethical standard one might expects of a potential POTUS is another question. Here is an extract:

"Dade Behring is a cause célèbre for Romney’s and Bain’s critics, and it illustrates the leverage problem clearly. In 1994, Bain bought Dade International, a medical-diagnostics company, then added the medical-diagnostics division of DuPont in 1996 and a German medical-testing company called Behring in 1997. Former Dade president Bob Brightfelt says the operation started well: the Bain managers were “pretty smart guys,” he recalls, and they did well cutting out overlap, and exploiting synergies.

Then brutal cost cutting began. Bain cut R&D spending to an average of 8 percent of sales, a little more than half what its competitors were doing. Cindy Hewitt, Dade’s human-resources manager, remembers how the firm closed a Puerto Rico plant in 1998, a year after harvesting $7.1 million in local tax breaks aimed at job creation, and relocated some staff to Miami, then the company’s most profitable plant. Based on re­a­ssur­ances she had received from her superiors, she told those uprooting themselves from Puerto Rico that their jobs in Miami were safe for now—but then Bain closed the Miami plant. “Whether you want to call it misled, or lied, or manipulated, I do not believe they provided full information about what discussions were under way,” she says. “I would never want to be part of even unintentionally treating people so poorly.”

Bain engaged in startling penny-pinching with the laid-off employees. Their contracts stipulated that if they left early they would have to pay back the costs of relocating to Miami—but in spite of all that Dade had done to them, it refused to release the employees from this clause. “They said they would go after them for that money if they left before Bain was finished with them,” Hewitt recalls. Not only that, but the company declined to give workers their severance pay in lump sums to help them fund their return home.

In 1999, generous pensions were converted into less generous benefits, wages were cut, and more staff members were laid off. Some employees contacted Norman Stein, then the director of the pension-counseling clinic at the University of Alabama law school, with a view to challenging the conversions. Stein says the employees were “extraordinarily nervous,” so fearful, in fact, that they refused to let lawyers even make copies of pension documents. “I have been dealing with pensions issues for over 25 years and I never saw anything like this,” recalls Stein. The spooked employees did not go to court. Stein says that, while breaking pension contracts like this was not unheard of, the practice at that time was “questionable,” adding that Dade may have saved $10 to $40 million from converting its pensions.

The beauty—or savagery—of leverage is that it can magnify any and all cash-flow boosts, such as this one. Take $10 to $40 million squeezed from a pension pot, then use that to create new, rosier financial projections to borrow several times that amount, and then pay yourself a big special dividend from the borrowed funds, many times the size of the pension savings. That is just what Bain Capital did: the same month it converted the pensions, it created new financial projections as a basis to borrow an extra $421 million—from which Bain, its co-investor Goldman Sachs, and top Dade management extracted $365 million in dividends. According to Kosman, “Bain and Goldman—after putting down only $85 million … made out like bandits—a $280 million profit.” Dade’s debt rose to more than $870 million. Romney had left operational management of Bain that year, though his disclosures show that he owned 16.5 percent of the Bain partnership responsible for the Dade investment until at least 2001.

Quite soon, however, a fragile Dade faced adverse conditions in the currency markets, and it had to start in effect cannibalizing itself, cutting into the core of its business. It filed for bankruptcy in August 2002 and Bain Capital departed. When Dade emerged from bankruptcy, its new owners invested in long-term R&D, and it flourished again
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The full report can be found at:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 9:42:29 PM   
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DEMOCRAT Bill Clinton started the NATIONAL "giant sucking sound" of jobs OUT of the USA by the tens of thousands, by signing NAFTA. Romney (if he was in charge) sent SOME private jobs out of the USA. So REPUBLICAN Romney is the asshole? Is that the way Liberals play it?


It stuns me that Republicans don't know their own platform. NAFTA and free trade generally is a Republican issue. Bush I pushed for it. In fact, it's an area where the Republicans are right--at least before the bat shit crazy ones. Clinton, who understands economics, signed it, and for good reason. Canada and Mexico are our two largest markets.

Romney isn't going to help with NAFTA at all. Nor should he.

But you turkeys have no clue what you're voting for.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 9:46:41 PM   
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If you look at it from controlling costs in health care however, there is this:

Effects of globalization on disease in the modern world

Modern modes of transportation allow more people and products to travel around the world at a faster pace; they also open the airways to the transcontinental movement of infectious disease vectors.[6] One example is the West Nile Virus. It is believed that this disease reached the United States via “mosquitoes that crossed the ocean by riding in airplane wheel wells and arrived in New York City in 1999.”[6] With the use of air travel, people are able to go to foreign lands, contract a disease and not have any symptoms of illness until after they get home, and having exposed others to the disease along the way.

As medicine has progressed, many vaccines and cures have been developed for some of the worst diseases (plague, syphilis, typhus, cholera, malaria) which people suffer. But, because the evolution of disease organisms is very rapid, even with vaccines, there is difficulty providing full immunity to many diseases. Finding vaccines at all for some diseases remains extremely difficult. Without vaccines, the global world remains vulnerable to infectious diseases.

Evolution of disease presents a major threat in modern times. For example, the current "swine flu" or H1N1 virus is a new strain of an old form of flu, known for centuries as Asian flu based on its origin on that continent. From 1918–1920, a post-World War I global influenza epidemic killed an estimated 50–100 million people, including half a million in the United States alone.[7] H1N1 is a virus that has evolved from and partially combined with portions of avian, swine, and human flu.[8]

Globalization has increased the spread of infectious diseases from South to North, but also the risk of non-communicable diseases by transmission of culture and behavior from North to South. It is important to target and reduce the spread of infectious diseases in developing countries. However, addressing the risk factors of non-comunicable diseases and lifestyle risks in the South that cause disease, such as use or consumption of tobacco, alcohol, and unhealthy foods, is important as well.[9]

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 9:48:43 PM   
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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 9:54:36 PM   
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An adobe illustrator "expert" even...........

If this guy was a cop on my town.......I`d be afraid for the public safety........

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 10:20:47 PM   
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For those interested, Vanity Fair has published an in-depth investigation of Romney's finances. There is no suggestion that Mittens has broken any US law in his financial dealings. Whether his dealings are up to the ethical standard one might expects of a potential POTUS is another question.


The whole American political system is fucked, its entirely corrupt, but then what does one expect when it is ruled by the 1% (just like Romney even if they arent quite as rich as him) and imo, it doesnt matter if its Obama or Romney.. imnsho.. flush the whole lot and start over..

"47% of Congress Members Millionaires — a Status Shared by Only 1% of Americans
It’s no secret that many members of the U.S. House and Senate are millionaires — 47 percent of them — their salaries paid in part by the American taxpayers.

The Center for Responsive Politics has crunched the numbers and released the results on its Open Secrets blog:

“About 47 percent of Congress, or 249 current members are millionaires. … In 2010, the estimated median net worth of a current U.S. senator stood at an average of $2.56 million,” according to the Center’s research.

“Despite the global economic meltdown in 2008 and the sluggish recovery that followed, that’s up about 7.6 percent from an estimated median net worth of $2.38 million in 2009 … and up 13 percent from a median net worth of $2.27 million in 2008. … Fully 36 Senate Democrats, and 30 Senate Republicans reported an average net worth in excess of $1 million in 2010. The same was true for 110 House Republicans and 73 House Democrats.”

“The vast majority of members of Congress are quite comfortable, financially, while many of their own constituents suffer from economic hardships,” said Sheila Krumholz at the Center For Responsive Politics. “Few Americans enjoy the same financial cushions maintained by most members of Congress — or the same access to market-altering information that could yield personal, financial gains.” "

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/47-of-congress-members-millionaires-a-status-shared-by-only-1-of-americans/

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 10:30:33 PM   
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Effects of globalization on disease in the modern world


Ah yes....makes you long for the glory days of 1912...

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 11:03:26 PM   
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Effects of globalization on disease in the modern world


Ah yes....makes you long for the glory days of 1912...


No, but it does make a valid point that better efforts need to be made to insure that globalization doesn't cause more harm than it does good.

When computers first hit the consumer market, often the components of the systems were all hard wired to the motherboard. My first, a Packard Bell, had the modem hard wired (14.4k). Within 6 months, the computer was obsolete because the modems upgraded on the market to 28.8. Unfortunately because the modem was hardwired it couldn't be swapped out.

Prior to globalization, the detriment in one economy did not have the dramatic impacts that it does today. A plague in one country wouldn't spread with the ease it does today.


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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/16/2012 11:54:50 PM   
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Yup....the native Americans,north central and south were no big fans of globalization.......





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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/17/2012 12:36:26 AM   
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No doubt you are correct there Owner59. The white man certainly brought disease to the native Americans. So why are we repeating the same mistakes now?

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/17/2012 5:45:50 AM   
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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/17/2012 6:03:50 AM   
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Ah yes....makes you long for the glory days of 1912...

Can't resist:

What a Difference a Century Makes (1912 Election)


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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/17/2012 6:47:24 AM   
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that globalization doesn't cause more harm than it does good.


First you'd have to demonstrate that with an analysis of all the costs and benefits.

People aren't doing that. They come out screaming with pet assumptions about the global economy that frequently are just patently false, and when faced with the data, they scream louder.

Second, putting globalization back in the bottle would be disastrous. Nor is it new. We had a global economy in the 16th century.

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RE: Romney still at Bain in 2002 - 7/17/2012 6:48:32 AM   
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Ah yes....makes you long for the glory days of 1912...

Can't resist:

What a Difference a Century Makes (1912 Election)


Not to mention the global epidemics of 1911 and 1912.

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