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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 12:31:38 AM

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References are only valid if tied to something.
What he's inferring from is upbringing isn't clear because A) he hasn't tied his personal opinion towards stealing to his upbringing because he never mentioned whether he does indeed steal or not and B) the point can't be inferred by the observer because there is no statistical nor casual evidence to suggest that minister's kids are more likely to behave rigidly within the moral code they have been brought up in than other children (in fact, as has been mentioned before on this thread, there seems to be a higher instance of kids who have been raised very strictly completely going wild than with those of a moderate upbringing completely going wild).

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 12:40:39 AM

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And while that may well be true Ishtarr, the wildness most minister's kids typically get into are drug and sex related. It's a natural rebellion against the often harshly enforced dogmatic upbringing. Stealing is most often done out of desperation or thrill seeking rather than defiance.

For someone with an inference bias in their temperament, tying the ends up neatly isn't part of the equation, because they are less analytical and don't see the need. Everything you're saying reveals your strong bias toward analytical thinking. What you are essentially dealing with is emotional versus analytical bias, and for an analytical (I know because I bias in that direction too) it's frustrating, but short sighted to expect that from everyone.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 12:49:11 AM

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Everything you're saying reveals your strong bias toward analytical thinking.

You're stating this as if it where a problem?

Or news to me for that matter...

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 12:51:38 AM

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the wildness most minister's kids typically get into are drug and sex related. It's a natural rebellion against the often harshly enforced dogmatic upbringing. Stealing is most often done out of desperation or thrill seeking rather than defiance.

Considering that you're accusing me of being analytical I have to point out that this is most likely pure speculation and personal bias on your part and therefore not a valid argument.

If this isn't the case and you actually have statistics or other data to back up your point I'm going to have to insist on seeing it.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 12:53:26 AM

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It's only a problem when you're attempting to understand/interface with someone of another temperament structure. If you were in a leadership position in management, it could prove to be a huge problem. On a personal level, it simply means you'll likely only connect deeply with people of an analytical nature. Only you can decide if that's a problem for you. But your views and perceptions are not the only valid perspectives, and analytics don't always come up with correct answers even though often they do.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 1:01:10 AM

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Then it's not a problem at all, because I had no problem whatsoever understanding what he was intending to say.

Instead, I found it amusing that what he ended up saying has no relation to the point he was trying to make because he tried to make an inference based on an incomplete argument and the assumption that the general population has a preconceived opinion towards a certain group of people that's opposite of what the general population seems to actual believe about the group of people in question.

Maybe my mention of the fact that I found his post hilarious wasn't sufficiently clear on this, but my only reason for posting was the general amusement I gained from seeing the contradiction between what he was saying and actually attempting to say. At no point do I recall stating that I felt my own perspective was the only valid one, and his was an invalid one. In fact, I have no recollection whatsoever expressing any judgement about validity whatsoever in that specific post.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 1:36:35 AM

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I'm always saddened by the generally low opinion that seems to vogue today towards Christians. Not all Christians are the hypocrites they are made out to be. I grew up in a community where it was completely safe for a kid to wander 3-5 blocks in any direction. If you fell of your bike and skinned your knee, someone came out, sprayed it with bactine, and put a bandage on it, then gave you a glass of water or soda and called your parents.

For all the hatred directed at Christian communities, I don't see much in terms of general good will towards neighbors that rivals what I grew up with. In fact, I think the world has gotten pretty cold and dangerous.

The judgement in your posting is the general disdain and egotistic attitude in the way you communicate. You don't have to say anything specifically, because your tone conveys it extremely well.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 1:42:30 AM

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The judgement in your posting is the general disdain and egotistic attitude in the way you communicate. You don't have to say anything specifically, because your tone conveys it extremely well.

Dude, now you're the one that's being hilarious.
Nothing at all in any of my posts was a judgment against Christians in any way shape or form.

Especially since his argument didn't even deal with Christians...
The whole thing that I commented on as finding funny is that he made a statement about his upbringing that was logically completely unrelated to the argument he was trying to make (that tests which indicate that he's a thief are wrong).

If you feel the need to read more into it than that, have at it. Self-depreciation is a form of emotional masochism I've never really understood, but to each their own I suppose...

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 2:35:00 AM

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There are specific tells in ascertaining a person temperamental bias. Generally analyticals cite studies, polls or other statistical date, and use comparative questions. These are primary indicators of 1st percentage Analytical temperaments. There are plenty of books and studies on the subject.

This statement: "I found it amusing that what he ended up saying has no relation to the point he was trying to make because he tried to make an inference based on an incomplete argument and the assumption that the general population has a preconceived opinion towards a certain group of people that's opposite of what the general population seems to actual believe about the group of people in question." is a pretty direct point of the condescension I'm talking about. Being amused at someone based on your qualitative decision criteria is laughing at them at their expense. Subtle? Yes. Passive-Aggressive? Possibly.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 4:24:09 AM

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Do you think that your up bringing made you a better person, then someone
whom did not attend church or Sunday school? I mean to say as someone
who was rasie as a Christian and this is for only Christian's! Is is better that you went
'to Sunday school and or Church

I was rasied by my father to believe in another religion, I will not say
which on for fear of being given the bias treatment! But my mother
raised us in Sunday school!

I find I am a better person by my mother's way of being brought us up I am
kinder and more open to people's feeling I am a giving person!

I would not steal if someone paid me! So do you see it as a better way!

Now I am not saying anyone else's religion is bad or that they have
children whom are not good! It is just everyone should raise their children
to be good citizen no matter what!

mons (I hope this makes sense, I reread it )

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 5:01:07 AM

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the wildness most minister's kids typically get into are drug and sex related. It's a natural rebellion against the often harshly enforced dogmatic upbringing. Stealing is most often done out of desperation or thrill seeking rather than defiance.

Going with your drug theory - how do you think the young and unskilled/unemployed/underemployed pay for or obtain their drugs? They steal them from medicine cabinets or they steal money/valuables from family members.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 10:58:04 AM

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Being amused at someone based on your qualitative decision criteria is laughing at them at their expense. Subtle? Yes. Passive-Aggressive? Possibly.

When did I deny laughing at his expense? Or deny being passive aggressive? Or deny being analytical?

However, I gave no indication whatsoever at hatred, disdain, ill-will, or judgement towards Christian communities.

Please do try to keep track of what you're accusing me of doing to begin with...

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 11:23:51 AM

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Ya, I was wondering where the whole christianity side track thing came into play.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 4:20:11 PM

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hhmmm...I'm a christian and no way did I feel that my religion was being denigrated in any way...at least not on this thread.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 10:10:57 PM

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I often wonder if many of you talk to people in the real world like you do online. You've got huge testicles here.

When did I deny laughing at his expense? Or deny being passive aggressive? Or deny being analytical?

However, I gave no indication whatsoever at hatred, disdain, ill-will, or judgement towards Christian communities.

Please do try to keep track of what you're accusing me of doing to begin with...

Oh gee, I'm sorry, I remember now, if I don't lay the track directly to your doorstep you won't get it.

Your judgement towards Christian communities comes from your accusation that a high percentage of minister's kids turn out bad. Do you have actual statistics to back that up? Hmm? No? Yeah, that's what I thought. You, with your facts and figures... In your own words: the point can't be inferred by the observer because there is no statistical nor casual evidence to suggest that minister's kids are more likely to behave rigidly within the moral code they have been brought up in than other children (in fact, as has been mentioned before on this thread, there seems to be a higher instance of kids who have been raised very strictly completely going wild than with those of a moderate upbringing completely going wild) However, you went precisely the opposite direction on the very same sort of assumption.

and mons: yes I do feel that a Christian upbringing instills a greater sense of ethics and love for your fellow man generally than one would get in a non-religious household or in some other religions. It could be that the repetition, the weekly lessons on morality, etc. ingrained at a young age creates more of an internal compass. That said, I've studied all of the major religions, many philosophies and I believe everyone should choose their own path. I'm not condemning anyone at all.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/13/2012 10:57:56 PM

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Not everyone who does drugs needs to steal. That's an assumption. What if they smoke pot? How many pot heads do you know that are thieves? Have any statistics on that? In fact, I knew quite a few heroin addicts in the city I grew up in that paid for their habits with income they got legally. So, not a valid argument...

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 12:58:24 AM

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Not everyone who does drugs needs to steal. That's an assumption. What if they smoke pot? How many pot heads do you know that are thieves? Have any statistics on that? In fact, I knew quite a few heroin addicts in the city I grew up in that paid for their habits with income they got legally. So, not a valid argument...

I don't know about statistics and such, but your question brought to mind the time my cousin told me how the pot plant she and her then husband were growing in their back yard was stolen just prior to their harvesting it. My guess is that the person who stole it was a pothead. *grins*

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 1:00:07 AM

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I often wonder if many of you talk to people in the real world like you do online. You've got huge testicles here.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 1:02:56 AM

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I often wonder if many of you talk to people in the real world like you do online. You've got huge testicles here.

Only to my boss. I'm surprised I haven't been canned. :D

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 1:15:27 AM

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True story.
Once upon a time I took the MMPI, which is a huge personality test that costs a fricken fortune.

And I failed.

Like no shit, failed.

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