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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 1:16:31 AM

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Did it determine that you were a particularly twisted sadist? *grin*

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 1:19:48 AM

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True story.
Once upon a time I took the MMPI, which is a huge personality test that costs a fricken fortune.

And I failed.

Like no shit, failed.

How do you fail at being yourself?

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 1:35:47 AM

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True story.
Once upon a time I took the MMPI, which is a huge personality test that costs a fricken fortune.

And I failed.

Like no shit, failed.

How do you fail at being yourself?

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I take lots of these personality type tests because of the nature of work that I do-lots of security clearance type places use these-and they always drive me crazy because I never know which side of me I should let answer-the nice educated sophisticated guy or the sadistic land-pirate that wants to rape, plunder and pillage.
Plus I tend to be kinda a bit literal and overly analytical so I often read to much into simple things. The combination of factors led me to give differing answers to similar questions, all of which led the test givers to conclude that either
A-I had intended to deceive the test, meaning I failed
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B-Was a schizophrenic.

But have no fear, the story has a happy ending. I re-took the bastard taking things a whole lot less seriously and this time they got a straight result, narcissistic sociopathic with ADD :-)

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 1:43:17 AM

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I often wonder if many of you talk to people in the real world like you do online. You've got huge testicles here.

Hell yes I do. Man oh man, do I suck at holding my tongue...which is unfortunate cause it cuts like a scythe all too oft. I am opinionated, confrontational, provocative,prone to incitement, love to debate and would much rather say whatever it is I have to say in front of people's backs, not behind em.
In other words, I'm pretty much a dick like that.

And if they don't like it, oh well, they can go pound sand

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 4:28:49 AM

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I often wonder if many of you talk to people in the real world like you do online. You've got huge testicles here.

I will be honest here, yes. I have learned the last few years how to temper what I say and have learned some restraint. Sorry, I like using restraints... lost my train of thought.

I am the one who asked a 9 year old who was picking on my son if he was born an asshole or if his parents raised him to be one... who told a regional manager of the Fortune 100 corporation that I was working at that he was so full of shit that even the stuffed monkey in my cubicle realized it, that asked for a pint of stout and a sponge of vinegar for my friend while placing a huge crucifix down on the bar. These are examples from three different decades of my life, so a bit consistent.

I have found myself to be less provocative, less antagonistic, less giving a shit what other people think or how they react.

Essentially, lacking the all compassionate heart Buddha told us to cultivate, but the motivation is different than before, no longer rebellion and now more apathy.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 4:35:32 AM

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Not everyone who does drugs needs to steal. That's an assumption. What if they smoke pot? How many pot heads do you know that are thieves? Have any statistics on that? In fact, I knew quite a few heroin addicts in the city I grew up in that paid for their habits with income they got legally. So, not a valid argument...

Your TEENAGE heroin addict acquaintances paid for their own drugs? Hell of a juggling act - school, job, heroin addiction. I have a friend who was a heroin addict for 28 years. (He's been clean for 12.) He and his circle all stole to support their habits. His addiction prevented him from holding a job for long, even from family members.

Someone I knew in the 90s had a son who was addicted to crack. He and his friends stole too.

Nonmedical Use of Stimulants and Delinquent Behavior

In 2005 and 2006, an estimated 8.7 million (34.5 percent) youths aged 12 to 17 reported that they engaged in at least one of the six queried types of delinquent behavior in the past year. Over 71 percent (approximately 360,000) of youths who used stimulants nonmedically in the past year reported any type of delinquent behavior compared with approximately 34 percent of youths who did not use stimulants nonmedically in the past year.

Youths who engaged in nonmedical stimulant use in the past year were more likely to have participated in each of the six delinquent behaviors in the past year compared with other youths (Figure 2). For example, almost 30 percent of youths who used stimulants nonmedically in the past year sold drugs compared with 2.8 percent of youths who did not use stimulants nonmedically in the past year.

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Additionally, tons of parenting and addiction sites include this sort of thing:

What are the signs and symptoms of drug addiction and abuse?

Frequently borrowing money, selling possessions, or stealing items from employer, home, or school.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 4:47:04 AM

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There are specific tells in ascertaining a person temperamental bias. Generally analyticals cite studies, polls or other statistical date, and use comparative questions. These are primary indicators of 1st percentage Analytical temperaments. There are plenty of books and studies on the subject.

This statement: "I found it amusing that what he ended up saying has no relation to the point he was trying to make because he tried to make an inference based on an incomplete argument and the assumption that the general population has a preconceived opinion towards a certain group of people that's opposite of what the general population seems to actual believe about the group of people in question." is a pretty direct point of the condescension I'm talking about. Being amused at someone based on your qualitative decision criteria is laughing at them at their expense. Subtle? Yes. Passive-Aggressive? Possibly.

I am amused at the way you are trying to twist that one statement into something it is not. Is that subtle enough for you?

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 4:47:53 AM

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I do feel that a Christian upbringing instills a greater sense of ethics and love for your fellow man generally than one would get in a non-religious household or in some other religions. It could be that the repetition, the weekly lessons on morality, etc. ingrained at a young age creates more of an internal compass.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 4:53:30 AM

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I often wonder if many of you talk to people in the real world like you do online.

Well in the real world, I don't need the keyboard, but other than that....yea about the same.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 5:01:02 AM

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yes I do feel that a Christian upbringing instills a greater sense of ethics and love for your fellow man generally than one would get in a non-religious household or in some other religions.

You do realize that claiming christians have a greater sense of ethics and love for their fellow man makes you sound just as arragant and judgemental as the people you are complaining about, right? That your attitude is part of the reason so many people are turning against christians?

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 6:18:26 AM

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I'm always saddened by the generally low opinion that seems to vogue today towards Christians. Not all Christians are the hypocrites they are made out to be. I grew up in a community where it was completely safe for a kid to wander 3-5 blocks in any direction. If you fell of your bike and skinned your knee, someone came out, sprayed it with bactine, and put a bandage on it, then gave you a glass of water or soda and called your parents.

I grew up in the same kind of community, all Jewish. So why do you believe only Christians can be decent people?

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 6:41:43 AM

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True story.
Once upon a time I took the MMPI, which is a huge personality test that costs a fricken fortune.

And I failed.

Like no shit, failed.

How do you fail at being yourself?

Chuckles
I take lots of these personality type tests because of the nature of work that I do-lots of security clearance type places use these-and they always drive me crazy because I never know which side of me I should let answer-the nice educated sophisticated guy or the sadistic land-pirate that wants to rape, plunder and pillage.
Plus I tend to be kinda a bit literal and overly analytical so I often read to much into simple things. The combination of factors led me to give differing answers to similar questions, all of which led the test givers to conclude that either
A-I had intended to deceive the test, meaning I failed
or
B-Was a schizophrenic.

But have no fear, the story has a happy ending. I re-took the bastard taking things a whole lot less seriously and this time they got a straight result, narcissistic sociopathic with ADD :-)

What's really frustrating is the mixed information out there about how to interpret and answer the questions. Some advise to be honest and if you don't get the job it wasn't a good fit. Jobs are too scarce right now for applicants to worry about the perfect fit. What happens if the tests never find a person to be a good fit? Such complaints are fairly common. Others advise to forget honesty and tell them what they want to hear. If you want a job you have to lie. Many of them have the choices strongly agree, somewhat agree, neither agree or disagree, somewhat disagree, or strongly disagree. Almost all advice says the correct answer is always one extreme or the other. But then you run into questions like "Do you cry when watching sad movies?" Unless you cry every time someone dies in an action movie, the honest answer for most people is somewhere in the middle. But they want one extreme or the other. If you strongly disagree you're an emotionless robot. If you strongly agree (the other extreme) will you be interpreted as compassionate and caring or overly emotional? Then there are questions like "Do you go along with the group?" Strongly agree could be interpreted as you'll follow the group no matter what even if they're wrong. Strongly disagree indicates not working well in a team. IMO, the best answer should be somewhere in the middle. But that's not the right way to answer either because it's not one of the extremes.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 9:36:11 AM

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Are they still doing these crazy tests? Whatever next? Hiring an astrologer? A pre-interview Tarot reading? How about being completely yuppie about it and flying in a witch doctor from Namibia?

Given that anyone's personality is heavily dependent on how they are perceived by someone else - take the guy who's remarried and ask his first wife then his second wife to see what I mean - these tests are no more than a psychological exercise to big up the company and put you in your place as a potential employee. Other than providing meaningful occupation for someone to dabble in psychobabble they have no meaning or purpose.

And they should be placed the same place where you place toilet paper.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 9:36:20 AM

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Psychological and personality tests are always skewed for whitebread and mainstream.

I have to take the MMPI as part of a clearance process every five years. I have to laugh as I learned in Psych 201 that the test was designed as a once in a lifetime diagnostic tool. After it is determined you are crazy, the MMPI narrows down what flavor of crazy.

Anyway, I always get flagged and have to go talk to the shrink. Why?

My mother tossed out my dad six months before I was born. Never met the guy.

Do you hate your father? nope
Do you love your father? nope

I get flagged as "conflicted" so I get to spend an hour or so on the company dime having coffee with a Piled higher and Deeper (PhD to those not as sarcastic).

Things I have learned from psychologists and psychiatrists over the years:
Top executives, sociopaths, security professionals, habitual criminals, and serial killers test very similarly in the MMPI tests.
Having a work history as a contract consultant and the concomitant multiple employers over a decade raises a "reliability" issue on psychological scoring. (I loved the coffee spray one psych did when i replied, "But, I'm part of the high tech migrant laborer population")

All in all, I think R.A.H. said it well, "If people were the automatons that the behaviorists claim; we never could have come up with the idea of behaviorist psychology in the first place."

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 1:40:54 PM

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I often wonder if many of you talk to people in the real world like you do online. You've got huge testicles here.

Hell yes I do. Man oh man, do I suck at holding my tongue...which is unfortunate cause it cuts like a scythe all too oft. I am opinionated, confrontational, provocative,prone to incitement, love to debate and would much rather say whatever it is I have to say in front of people's backs, not behind em.
In other words, I'm pretty much a dick like that.

And if they don't like it, oh well, they can go pound sand

I can sooooo vouch for this. If you don't want an honest answer, don't ask him. lol.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 1:45:16 PM

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I have learned over the years that I just answer the questions as how it pertains to the business that is hiring. Yeah, I lie sometimes. If I get the job, great. If not, then I don't worry about it.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 1:50:15 PM

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Not everyone who does drugs needs to steal. That's an assumption. What if they smoke pot? How many pot heads do you know that are thieves? Have any statistics on that? In fact, I knew quite a few heroin addicts in the city I grew up in that paid for their habits with income they got legally. So, not a valid argument...

I have A LOT of experience in this realm. My husband was a drug dealer of weed and prescription meds. He also was a good Catholic boy but ya know...he stole quite often...more often than not, those who bought from him did also.

And as for the Christians somehow being better than others...not true. I can name quite a few at my church who are not so great of people. When our church decided to start holding services in a poor neighborhood to attract those of hispanic descent and those who are poor and minority, many many people stopped attending because they said they didn't want to be around ***** different name calling, people.

Just goes to show just how "Christian" some people can be.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 2:46:04 PM

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I've found that jobs in my field that require me to go under the microscope during the hiring process don't work for me. I work in a field where proof of my credentials, verified resume, drug testing, and driving record should be sufficient.

I worked my ass off to get the letters after my name, and I expect to be respected as a professional by my employer. It is fair to give me a solid interview, and verify who I say I am. Though whether I'm a bitch or not shouldn't matter, it should only matter that I'm great at what I do and that I give a shit.

My personality is quirky and odd, and for years I was loaded with baggage. I want for people who see that as an asset and look at professional competence first.

I also tend to overanalyze personality tests, once got diagnosed with Multiple Personalities that way :O

According to the Myers Briggs I'm an Introspective iNtuitive Thinking Judgmental. Meaning if I don't like you you're going to know it. I hate small talk and drama. I'm probably smarter than you. I identify loopholes and efficiency by nature. Personality test or no most employers have wondered what a terrible mistake they made when I start in the office. Within 6 months they never want me to leave. Within a year everyone with a say so in anything knows my name and has my number, because I rocked the boat in all the right ways.

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 3:02:20 PM

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I often wonder if many of you talk to people in the real world like you do online. You've got huge testicles here.

Hell yes I do. Man oh man, do I suck at holding my tongue...which is unfortunate cause it cuts like a scythe all too oft. I am opinionated, confrontational, provocative,prone to incitement, love to debate and would much rather say whatever it is I have to say in front of people's backs, not behind em.
In other words, I'm pretty much a dick like that.

And if they don't like it, oh well, they can go pound sand

I know that people are always saying how afraid they are of you which I've never ever understood until just now. It scares me how you've confirmed something I've been suspecting....

You just described ME you motherfucker!

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RE: pre-employment personality tests - 7/14/2012 3:46:20 PM

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yes I do feel that a Christian upbringing instills a greater sense of ethics and love for your fellow man generally than one would get in a non-religious household or in some other religions. It could be that the repetition, the weekly lessons on morality, etc. ingrained at a young age creates more of an internal compass. That said, I've studied all of the major religions, many philosophies and I believe everyone should choose their own path. I'm not condemning anyone at all.

It did no such thing for me.. I attended 2 churches as a kid, went to cathecism, holy communion and all that.. I asked the priest if someone was a good person and doing good things but they didnt believe in God, would they go to heaven. I was told no, you must believe in God.. Now that floored me and right at that moment, I rejected God.. I rejected Him because I found that to be unfair, someone could be a serial murderer but "find God" and go to heaven but the good non-believer doesnt.. not to mention, I found that extremely egotistical for God to make it "all about Him".. not about being a good person and doing what you can to help others and make the world a little better.. So for me,.. religion did not instill anything in me at all (other than made me non-religious).. anything that was instilled in me was due mostly to my mother and also just how my DNA is wired (which determines the things that were important to me even as a small child and still are today)..

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I often wonder if many of you talk to people in the real world like you do online. You've got huge testicles here.

I checked..