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dcnovice -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 6:06:58 AM)

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ETA Public sector jobs in teaching and government have also given upward mobility to African Americans and now those jobs are under attack.. Systemic racism???


Interesting point. I hadn't thought of that.




DomYngBlk -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 8:42:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

I admit that i am not a college football fan, and the following info may not meet your requisites of "Leading program in the highest reaches of College football" but i perused google and found the following article.
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/1/22/1645819/black-college-football-head
Whether or not this answers your question, in my point of view it is a start, and imho, your point is quite valid that it took this way too long to start. This article seems to have been written after, and possibly in response to the Condridge Hollaway segment you cited. I can't remember who I am quoting, but sometimes you have to take your wins a couple of yards at a time. Sometmes it comes down to inches.
Is there a suggestion of racism? why not. Could it be that the Intelligentsia don't give a rat's ass about the Athletic departments other than ad revenues perhaps that too. Maybe it is defensive jealousy. If you (generically) showed us up on the playing field over the past 50 years, do you think I (head coaching staff)am going to give up ground for my cushy and profitable office. I (Generic head coaching staff) am not relinquishing this field easily.


You've seemed to agree with me. Its locked into the system. It is the way white people think of those positions and who they are most likely want there.

The list was older but instructive. 3 of those schools Kentucky, Louisville, and Kansas are much more famous for their Basketball programs than Football. You'd admit there are a few Black Men that play and are good at basketball. Talented and Intelligent? A given right? So for all 3 of those Class AAA programs...none have a black basketball head coach. Kentucky did but they fired him quickly after he won a championship!

Anyway, you want your silver lining. I get it. We will shuffle along and accept the crumbs from the table. Sleep well.....




vincentML -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 3:05:32 PM)

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Fwiw, I'm white myself. My sense of humor tends to be a bit twisted, and I found it sadly funny that my fellow white folks and I were holding forth about something we'll never come close to knowing firsthand: the experience of being African American in the U.S. I think it reflected an unthinking, unquestioned white arrogance to assume that (a) everyone should see the world as we do and (b) everyone encountered the same "playing field" that we did. To borrow from Rhett Butler (ironic choice, I know), I'm sorry if the truth offends you.


I take away from your comments that we in this thread who are white have little or no legitimacy in offering social criticism about race in America because we have never walked in the shoes of Black men, and worse by doing so we are engaged in "unthinking, unquestioned white arrogance." If I have mis-read your meaning, please correct me. Thanks.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 3:28:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mons

LooknoNookie

It is a shame that I had to find out the hard way about bias in the criminal system!

My son at the time this happen he was 14, a young friend of his had been breaking into
a apartment for some weeks!

This young boy decide that he would bring my son along with him on his next break-in!

He told my son come their are "comics"inside, my son did not go in at all! I asked him why
he did not go in with him, he said a voice told him not to go! Now I believe my dear mother came
to him and give him that message!

This young man had been in this apartment for sometime! When he was caught they arrested my son
as well as this young boy my son had a shoe lace and a checkbook, he told my other son who happens to be older!

My older son did the right things and turn it in along with my son to a police men!

Now this is when and where the story turns into a nightmare! They found this young boys finger prints all over the apartment!
They did not find not one of my son's!

Without talking to or with me they give my son 2 years probation, the young boy who happen to be white and mexican, he did not
have the features that would show his Mexican side, they give him 3 month probation!

Mind you he was there for more then 10 times going in and out at will! My son was outside and would not go in , also he was not near the building
as a look out!

I am lucky I know that this was not a fair thing to do! If my son were to do anything in those 2 years he would had went to jail!

I made a call that day to the DA office and plain speaking I told the woman I spoke to " Do you wish to be sue?" Her answer was no, the
young boy had set his house on fire, show violence towards his mother!

They looked into his home life and saw horror and some abuse she drink heavily, they did the right thing! He was given 2 years probation, my
son was given 3 months!

If mothers , parents in general look at what is doing on with their children and know what is the right balance of a given probation
we would not have so many injustices toward mexicans , black and Asian young boys and girls they would learn that it is true but sad
they do give higher sentences to the groups I have mention above but for the same crimes that white do they are given so much less time!

It is also true to point out that many crimes that are redone such as murder it is done by white, because they did not have the whole
weight of the justices system on them when they first did the crime they were given little or no time at all, please check the facts please!

I am one who see myself as a person not a skin color, I have never been into the race fight but when someone mention something that the facts
will speak for their selves read and learn, it will not lie! Before I come to write something I have had life experiences to at least try and prove my
side of the point!

I do not go to statistic I have as I wrote just now life moments, seen and been there!

thanks for listening

mons


Mons, you're absolutely right...shit happens and sometimes it's entirely unfair.

When I was 13 I was accused of raping a 13 year old girl.

When I arrived home, having spent the entire day with an adult (a well respected local school teacher...a woman my Dad was dating at the time...she'd taken me out shopping for clothes, who vouched for my whereabouts not only the entire day, but specifically the time that my ex girlfriend had accused me of coming to her door and attempted to rape her...and in fact, we'd (myself and the teacher) been at a restaurant during that entire specific time and had the credit card receipts {and the waitress's witness} to prove it), I was met by police....accusing me of attempted rape.

Her (my ex girlfriend's) charges and evidence were, scratches on her arm, actually bloody and when I showed the police my fingernails (which I'd been biting since I was a child...to the nub...to the point of being known for wearing bandaids on my fingers) I asked the cops (already convinced by the adults statement) "do you think I nubbed her to death with these?"

She'd done this to herself, pissed that I'd broken up with her. As horrifying as rape is for a woman, there isn't a woman on the planet that doesn't know a girl who's done this to a guy...somewhere....sometime.

I was that guy.

Now...I, as a 13 year old had a record which, in my State, lasted until I was 21.

Even though the police believed me without debate, the adult I was with (and the waitress where we had lunch) vouched for me and, on top of that....I insisted on taking a lie detector test.

All of this was in the files.

My record caused me to lose multiple jobs through age 21...it was all a lie, but a woman had made this case and by virtue...it was now a fact. Reverse the genders and the cops would have told me "be more careful" and would have driven off (if they'd have even shown up at all).

Even though a lie detector test was taken, 2 witnesses said I wasn't anywhere near this girl and...I didn't have the fingernails to have caused her bruises, and the police believed every word I uttered (they'd seen it before a thousand times)....my record was now a fact of life.

Maybe I should thank her...she forced me to start my own businesses....but I fucking hate that cunt and every breath she (still to this day) takes. If she fell into a flaming vat of volcanic debris and apologized with her last breath....I'd watch her melt and be glad. She ruined a good portion of my very young adult life and didn't even bat an eye.

So...your son got shit on by the game.

I get it.

Is there injustice in the world....you fucking bet.

Life sucks sometimes.

Buck up.




tazzygirl -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 3:40:20 PM)

you were arrested and charged????




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 3:51:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

you were arrested and charged????



I spent about 2 hours in jail...long enough for my dad to come down and deal with things (and long enough for me to be beyond any measure of terrified)...it was a different time and the police (thankfully) didn't believe the girl, but they had to do their job. I have no problem with them, then or now.

It was all poo poo'd by the police but....it had to go on the record...it was a call, they responded, and they were required to write it up. And it became a written and absolute fixture in my life until the day I turned 22.




pissdoll -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 4:04:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Now...I, as a 13 year old had a record which, in my State, lasted until I was 21.

My record caused me to lose multiple jobs through age 21...it was all a lie, but a woman had made this case and by virtue...it was now a fact. Reverse the genders and the cops would have told me "be more careful" and would have driven off (if they'd have even shown up at all).



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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

I spent about 2 hours in jail...it was a different time and the police didn't believe the girl, but they had to do their job.

It was all poo poo'd by the police but....it had to go on the record...it was a call, they responded, and they were required to write it up.




hmmm...i am really confused as to how spending two hours in jail without even being charged with a crime led you to have a criminal record until the age of 21.





LookieNoNookie -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 4:07:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pissdoll


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Now...I, as a 13 year old had a record which, in my State, lasted until I was 21.

My record caused me to lose multiple jobs through age 21...it was all a lie, but a woman had made this case and by virtue...it was now a fact. Reverse the genders and the cops would have told me "be more careful" and would have driven off (if they'd have even shown up at all).



quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

I spent about 2 hours in jail...it was a different time and the police didn't believe the girl, but they had to do their job.

It was all poo poo'd by the police but....it had to go on the record...it was a call, they responded, and they were required to write it up.




hmmm...i am really confused as to how spending two hours in jail without even being charged with a crime led you to have a criminal record until the age of 21.





Ask the cops....I couldn't tell you. At 13, and in 1972, I wasn't all that knowledgeable about the legal system.

(And yes, I was charged....you don't have a record unless you're charged).

Every man knows this story. It doesn't take away from the real truth and horror of rape...I can't even imagine....but....in my case...it wasn't the truth, and I was the victim.

For another 8 (formative) years.




pissdoll -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 4:23:08 PM)

fyi: if you were charged with a crime, then your father couldn't have gone down to the police station to deal with things.
you would have attended a preliminary hearing where a judge would have decided that there was not enough evidence for you to be taken to trial.
if that didn't happen, then despite what police or your parents might have told you to scare you, you had no charges filed and therefore, no record.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 4:35:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pissdoll

fyi: if you were charged with a crime, then your father couldn't have gone down to the police station to deal with things.
you would have attended a preliminary hearing where a judge would have decided that there was not enough evidence for you to be taken to trial.
if that didn't happen, then despite what police or your parents might have told you to scare you, you had no charges filed and therefore, no record.



Well, as I said, it was a (very) different time, he did come down and get me and that was that. From the looks of your photo, I'd presume you weren't even born when this occurred.

I'm okay with you not believing me.

It's not required of you to believe my story for it to have been a devastating part of my life.

You are more than welcome to your opinion.




tazzygirl -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 4:37:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pissdoll

fyi: if you were charged with a crime, then your father couldn't have gone down to the police station to deal with things.
you would have attended a preliminary hearing where a judge would have decided that there was not enough evidence for you to be taken to trial.
if that didn't happen, then despite what police or your parents might have told you to scare you, you had no charges filed and therefore, no record.



Not to mention rape charges didnt undergo major changes until the late 70's.

My brothers were invesitaged by the FBI at ages 13 - 8... they even admitted to doing the crime (breaking into a marine biology lab)... they got yelled at and released... and that was late 70s. Never showed up on their record, even when they went into the military.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 4:38:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: pissdoll

fyi: if you were charged with a crime, then your father couldn't have gone down to the police station to deal with things.
you would have attended a preliminary hearing where a judge would have decided that there was not enough evidence for you to be taken to trial.
if that didn't happen, then despite what police or your parents might have told you to scare you, you had no charges filed and therefore, no record.



Not to mention rape charges didnt undergo major changes until the late 70's.

My brothers were invesitaged by the FBI at ages 13 - 8... they even admitted to doing the crime (breaking into a marine biology lab)... they got yelled at and released... and that was late 70s. Never showed up on their record, even when they went into the military.


Mine did.




tazzygirl -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 4:40:14 PM)

And Daddy swept in to rescue you.... uh huh

Nice try.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 4:42:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And Daddy swept in to rescue you.... uh huh

Nice try.



If you call getting me out of jail rescuing me, paying for the lie detector tests....I'd guess that's correct.

Can't help you on your doubt.

All I can say is...I lived through it and it was pretty fucking shitty.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 4:44:05 PM)

I wasn't looking for anyone's pity....just telling a story that happened.

I'm sure I'm not the only one it happened to.

Sorry I brought it up frankly.




pissdoll -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 4:54:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

I'm sure I'm not the only one it happened to.



yeah, i think it might have also happened once to this other guy named brian banks.

but unfortunately for him, he's african american, so his dad wasn't able to get him out in two hours with a polygraph.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/brian-banks-ca-football-p_n_1543992.html

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

So...your son got shit on by the game.

I get it.

Is there injustice in the world....you fucking bet.

Life sucks sometimes.

Buck up.






LookieNoNookie -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 4:55:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pissdoll

fyi: if you were charged with a crime, then your father couldn't have gone down to the police station to deal with things.
you would have attended a preliminary hearing where a judge would have decided that there was not enough evidence for you to be taken to trial.
if that didn't happen, then despite what police or your parents might have told you to scare you, you had no charges filed and therefore, no record.



I never went to trial and I indeed had a record until I was 21.

Fight it out with the lawyers...I can't help you on this one.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 4:57:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pissdoll


quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

I'm sure I'm not the only one it happened to.



yeah, i think it might have also happened once to this other guy named brian banks.

but unfortunately for him, he's african american, so his dad wasn't able to get him out in two hours with a polygraph.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/brian-banks-ca-football-p_n_1543992.html

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

So...your son got shit on by the game.

I get it.

Is there injustice in the world....you fucking bet.

Life sucks sometimes.

Buck up.





I didn't get out due to a polygraph, I got out because I was a child and the police let me go in my Dad's custody.

I was the one that begged for a polygraph test...not the police. It didn't make any difference as to the police report.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 5:05:26 PM)

Just read that story (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/brian-banks-ca-football-p_n_1543992.html). Thanks. That actually, in an odd way, helped a little.

Interesting that she faced no charges, even as she admitted to the false charges.

I suspect this statement says it all as to your doubt: "unlikely she would be prosecuted for making the false accusation so long ago, when she was 15."

I was a child...so was she...but....she...was a female, ergo, I was the bad guy.

Your story just emphasizes my case. In this case.

It's sad...it happens often.

Even sadder and more to the point:

"During an initial meeting with him, she said she had lied; there had been no kidnap and no rape and she offered to help him clear his record, court records state.

But she refused to repeat the story to prosecutors because she feared she would have to return a $1.5 million payment from a civil suit brought by her mother against Long Beach schools."

Now, whether you believe my story or not is really immaterial....that's not only fucked up....it just shows the toll against men in situations like this.

The girl admitted to it....it's in the papers (you linked it), it's publicly known she lied....yet her fear, after she'd completely ruined this guys life was that she might have to return the money...that she knew was falsely obtained.

That's fucked up and frankly, there should never have even been a question...the SECOND that guy was exonerated....that chic should have gone to prison for....false accusation (sorry, I don't know the legal term) and knowingly stealing municipal money.

You can believe what you want...it won't change my life...but this guy lived what I did on a level I can't even grasp....and the chic walks.

That's fucked up.

"He said he knew that if he became angry when he met with her it wouldn't help, so he struggled to keep calm.

"I stopped what I was doing and got down on my knees and prayed to God to help me play my cards right,
" he said."

I can't even imagine how he felt, pandering to her just to save his skin, knowing the facts and what he lived through. It was my story times 9 million. Thankfully 13 year old's don't tend to go to prison.

......

"Banks had been arrested after Gibson said he met her in a school hallway and urged her to come into an elevator with him. The two had been friends since middle school and were in the habit of making out in a school stairwell, according to court papers."

Shit happens. Every day.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 5:27:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pissdoll


quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

I'm sure I'm not the only one it happened to.



yeah, i think it might have also happened once to this other guy named brian banks.

but unfortunately for him, he's african american, so his dad wasn't able to get him out in two hours with a polygraph.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/brian-banks-ca-football-p_n_1543992.html

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

So...your son got shit on by the game.

I get it.

Is there injustice in the world....you fucking bet.

Life sucks sometimes.

Buck up.





Thanks for sending me that link.




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