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dcnovice -> RE: The African American Community (7/18/2012 6:47:09 PM)
quote: I take away from your comments that we in this thread who are white have little or no legitimacy in offering social criticism about race in America because we have never walked in the shoes of Black men, and worse by doing so we are engaged in "unthinking, unquestioned white arrogance." If I have mis-read your meaning, please correct me. Thanks. No, that's not quite where I was coming from. What struck me about the thread, and prompted my comment, was the undercurrent in a number of posts about how African Americans needed to let go of their "infantile" anger, focus on the "progress" (such as a whopping 13 black CEOs at Fortune 500 companies in all of American history and a list of historical milestones that included neither Jim Crow laws nor decades of disenfranchisement), be more entrepreneurial (preferably starting businesses while still in their teens)--all coming, so far as I could tell, from white folks who evidenced little understanding the history of how the U.S, has treated African Americans or the ways in which that history remains embedded in our society to this day (as with, say, de facto residential segregation).

mons -> RE: The African American Community (7/19/2012 12:40:02 AM)
Lookno nookie I am so sorry you had to go through that, that girl will get it back if she has not already! How in the world did she get away with that? But I say that a girl like that someone will beat the hell out of her, playing games that will ruin a person life! You could sue her, I wonder oh Look and to be place in jail for hours! Why I wonder did they not do what they do now charge a person for false information!!!!!! She had to be mentailly ill Look to do something like this too you, and at the age of 13 she is a sociopathill! To have that feeling to hurt you and then to hurt herself psychically, she is a nut! My son brought home a girl and he loved her, when she walk in my door I knew this was trouble, she pick her teeth with a fork during dinner with us, my son later asked me did I know she was bad and I him : the minute I meant her I knew she was not all there! 'I know one girl like her and in 4 grade she was wearing and doing things like someone older we found out years later' she was much older, and had been left back in school many , many times! This one girl I am speaking of in the 7th grade she had girls hook on drugs and selling their bodies to older men! She was so pretty I mean very beautiful but she was a sociopath! No feeling of empathy towards anyone! I do not know if you have heard of "exspongement" you can go back and have that erased from you record! I found this out about my son when a policman who happen to be from England! He thought it was a joke to arrest my son for nothing! He broke up a fight and when I asked him "if he did not do anything why did you assert him?" he said "just because I felt like it" This is why also we in the community have a long standing tale of caution to our sons! It is a long standing things that was done when my brother was young and it is not just white policemen, it is anyone whom happens to work in law inforcement never talk back, keep your hands where they can be seen, basically "keep your mouth shut" If you do not listening to these simple things they can arrest you for anything it your word agianst their's ! But now they have cameras now so it is much better and they all are on check, this is for all officers and they have black officers who are just as bad, we know my brother missed school and was playing around well someone who happen to look like him, the officer hit my brother, they did nothing to him at all ! take care best regards mons

LookieNoNookie -> RE: The African American Community (7/19/2012 4:38:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mons Lookno nookie I am so sorry you had to go through that, that girl will get it back if she has not already! How in the world did she get away with that? But I say that a girl like that someone will beat the hell out of her, playing games that will ruin a person life! You could sue her, I wonder oh Look and to be place in jail for hours! Why I wonder did they not do what they do now charge a person for false information!!!!!! She had to be mentailly ill Look to do something like this too you, and at the age of 13 she is a sociopathill! To have that feeling to hurt you and then to hurt herself psychically, she is a nut! My son brought home a girl and he loved her, when she walk in my door I knew this was trouble, she pick her teeth with a fork during dinner with us, my son later asked me did I know she was bad and I him : the minute I meant her I knew she was not all there! 'I know one girl like her and in 4 grade she was wearing and doing things like someone older we found out years later' she was much older, and had been left back in school many , many times! This one girl I am speaking of in the 7th grade she had girls hook on drugs and selling their bodies to older men! She was so pretty I mean very beautiful but she was a sociopath! No feeling of empathy towards anyone! I do not know if you have heard of "exspongement" you can go back and have that erased from you record! I found this out about my son when a policman who happen to be from England! He thought it was a joke to arrest my son for nothing! He broke up a fight and when I asked him "if he did not do anything why did you assert him?" he said "just because I felt like it" This is why also we in the community have a long standing tale of caution to our sons! It is a long standing things that was done when my brother was young and it is not just white policemen, it is anyone whom happens to work in law inforcement never talk back, keep your hands where they can be seen, basically "keep your mouth shut" If you do not listening to these simple things they can arrest you for anything it your word agianst their's ! But now they have cameras now so it is much better and they all are on check, this is for all officers and they have black officers who are just as bad, we know my brother missed school and was playing around well someone who happen to look like him, the officer hit my brother, they did nothing to him at all ! take care best regards mons Thanks for your comments. It was expunged the day I turned 22 but it was a nightmare. I recently tracked her down on classmates or something about 2 months ago, sent her a private email and asked her why the hell she did it. She didn't apologize, no remorse of any kind, then proceeded to explain to me that she'd "found the Lord" and her life has been "very difficult". Lives in DC or Virginia somewhere. From the tone of her response, she'd given it over to Jesus and that seemed to be good enough for her. Wasn't good enough for me.

Owner59 -> RE: The African American Community (7/19/2012 5:17:55 AM)
So "why don`t you just let it go"......as so many have suggested blacks do?

vincentML -> RE: The African American Community (7/19/2012 5:37:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: I take away from your comments that we in this thread who are white have little or no legitimacy in offering social criticism about race in America because we have never walked in the shoes of Black men, and worse by doing so we are engaged in "unthinking, unquestioned white arrogance." If I have mis-read your meaning, please correct me. Thanks. No, that's not quite where I was coming from. What struck me about the thread, and prompted my comment, was the undercurrent in a number of posts about how African Americans needed to let go of their "infantile" anger, focus on the "progress" (such as a whopping 13 black CEOs at Fortune 500 companies in all of American history and a list of historical milestones that included neither Jim Crow laws nor decades of disenfranchisement), be more entrepreneurial (preferably starting businesses while still in their teens)--all coming, so far as I could tell, from white folks who evidenced little understanding the history of how the U.S, has treated African Americans or the ways in which that history remains embedded in our society to this day (as with, say, de facto residential segregation). Ahh, thank you for setting me straight. I totally misunderstood your comments. My apologies to you. We are in agreement on the sentiment.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: The African American Community (7/19/2012 2:18:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 So "why don`t you just let it go"......as so many have suggested blacks do? I wasn't aware that some had suggested that blacks should let it go. That really doesn't affect my experience. I guess I'm just not willing to let it go until she apologizes. I sent her another email today asking for some kind of explanation...she's argued in the 3 responses she's given me that she's had "a hard life" and "she found Jesus". I don't think an answer is ever going to arrive. It's one of those lost dark holes that can't be filled. I probably made more money thanks to her because for at least several years I was forced out of the work force because, when asked, I told the truth...and then explained...and ultimately started my own gigs, but money never filled the hole she created. I don't want any compensation for time lost (and I've never asked for it either)...who knows what I lost? I sure as fuck don't. It's like asking someone whose parents got divorced..."how did that affect you?" I don't know...Mom and Dad were married on Tuesday and Wednesday they weren't....how can you compare something you never had? I lost years. I lost something I can't compare what I had...because I didn't. An apology would be nice. Now the real question is...if I got one...would it be enough for me? Don't know if I'm a big enough man for that, to be completely honest...I'd like to think I am but frankly, it changed my life....and if you haven't lived it, please don't tell me your opinion because it not only ain't mine...it can never be.

dcnovice -> RE: The African American Community (7/19/2012 5:03:36 PM)
quote: Ahh, thank you for setting me straight. I totally misunderstood your comments. My apologies to you. We are in agreement on the sentiment. No worries! The heat wave here has fried my brain, so I'm not expressing myself as clearly as I'd like these days.

vincentML -> RE: The African American Community (7/19/2012 5:10:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Ahh, thank you for setting me straight. I totally misunderstood your comments. My apologies to you. We are in agreement on the sentiment. No worries! The heat wave here has fried my brain, so I'm not expressing myself as clearly as I'd like these days. Thank you. Its all good [:)]

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