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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 11:32:52 AM   
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Einstein didn't finish high school- I suppose we should ignore his contribution to physics.


A myth, not even really a partial truth.

In late summer 1895, at the age of sixteen, Einstein sat the entrance examinations for the Swiss Federal Polytechnic in Zurich (later the Eidgenössische Polytechnische Schule). He failed to reach the required standard in several subjects, but obtained exceptional grades in physics and mathematics.[20] On the advice of the Principal of the Polytechnic, he attended the Aargau Cantonal School in Aarau, Switzerland, in 1895-96 to complete his secondary schooling. In September 1896, he passed the Swiss Matura with mostly good grades (including a top grade of 6 in physics and mathematical subjects, on a scale of 1-6),[23] and, though only seventeen, enrolled in the four-year mathematics and physics teaching diploma program at the ETH Zurich. In 1900, Einstein was awarded the Zurich Polytechnic teaching diploma. On 30 April 1905, Einstein completed his thesis, with Alfred Kleiner, Professor of Experimental Physics, serving as pro-forma advisor. Einstein was awarded a PhD by the University of Zurich.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Early_life_and_education

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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 11:34:02 AM   
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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 11:42:52 AM   
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Einstein didn't finish high school- I suppose we should ignore his contribution to physics.


A myth, not even really a partial truth.

In late summer 1895, at the age of sixteen, Einstein sat the entrance examinations for the Swiss Federal Polytechnic in Zurich (later the Eidgenössische Polytechnische Schule). He failed to reach the required standard in several subjects, but obtained exceptional grades in physics and mathematics.[20] On the advice of the Principal of the Polytechnic, he attended the Aargau Cantonal School in Aarau, Switzerland, in 1895-96 to complete his secondary schooling. In September 1896, he passed the Swiss Matura with mostly good grades (including a top grade of 6 in physics and mathematical subjects, on a scale of 1-6),[23] and, though only seventeen, enrolled in the four-year mathematics and physics teaching diploma program at the ETH Zurich. In 1900, Einstein was awarded the Zurich Polytechnic teaching diploma. On 30 April 1905, Einstein completed his thesis, with Alfred Kleiner, Professor of Experimental Physics, serving as pro-forma advisor. Einstein was awarded a PhD by the University of Zurich.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Early_life_and_education


Let us not permit immaterial facts stand in the way of reason. Discrimination takes many forms. Even liberals can have a superiority complex. Logic is not concerned with facts. It is concerned with validity.

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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 11:44:42 AM   
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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 11:52:20 AM   
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Einstein didn't finish high school- I suppose we should ignore his contribution to physics.


A myth, not even really a partial truth.

In late summer 1895, at the age of sixteen, Einstein sat the entrance examinations for the Swiss Federal Polytechnic in Zurich (later the Eidgenössische Polytechnische Schule). He failed to reach the required standard in several subjects, but obtained exceptional grades in physics and mathematics.[20] On the advice of the Principal of the Polytechnic, he attended the Aargau Cantonal School in Aarau, Switzerland, in 1895-96 to complete his secondary schooling. In September 1896, he passed the Swiss Matura with mostly good grades (including a top grade of 6 in physics and mathematical subjects, on a scale of 1-6),[23] and, though only seventeen, enrolled in the four-year mathematics and physics teaching diploma program at the ETH Zurich. In 1900, Einstein was awarded the Zurich Polytechnic teaching diploma. On 30 April 1905, Einstein completed his thesis, with Alfred Kleiner, Professor of Experimental Physics, serving as pro-forma advisor. Einstein was awarded a PhD by the University of Zurich.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Early_life_and_education


Let us not permit immaterial facts stand in the way of reason. Discrimination takes many forms. Even liberals can have a superiority complex. Logic is not concerned with facts. It is concerned with validity.

Immaterial facts?

Rather, you're dismissing very material facts to stand in the way of reason, preferring the fantasy to valid conclusions. You're a side show.

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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 11:58:00 AM   
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I doubt that he'll let it bother him any.


Though mnottertail can be a little evil at times, he is playful. It makes him tolerable.

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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 12:07:44 PM   
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validityis a ncessary and sufficient condition of fact.


In order to be cogent, each premise must be true and the conclusion must follow. Proof of cogency is unnecessary when your goal is to show that an argument is invalid. Cogency has a very limited role in reasoning. Only once an argument has been shown valid does one consider whether or not a premise is true or false.

I like how you typed it, fast and urgent, as if your world was crumbling.

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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 12:11:36 PM   
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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 12:19:53 PM   
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Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

Kirk: Mr. Spock, have you accounted for the variable mass of whales and water in your time re-entry program?

Spock: Mr. Scott cannot give me exact figures, Admiral, so... I will make a guess.

Kirk: A guess? You, Spock? That's extraordinary.

Spock: (to Dr. McCoy) I don't think he understands.

McCoy: No, Spock. He means that he feels safer about your guesses than most other people's facts.

Spock: Then you're saying,

(pause)

Spock: It is a compliment?

McCoy: It is.

Spock: Ah. Then, I will try to make the best guess I can.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092007/quotes

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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 12:28:05 PM   
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Plus the fact that Einstein has been proven considerably right, and Friedman considerably wrong.

Are you saying that Kinky was incorrect, and they are still making jews like Jesus even now?

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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 12:58:27 PM   
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Plus the fact that Einstein has been proven considerably right, and Friedman considerably wrong.

Are you saying that Kinky was incorrect, and they are still making jews like Jesus even now?


The devil speaks in half truths. If you oppose the devil by taking the position opposite to that held by the devil, you will have done the devil's bidding.

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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 1:01:09 PM   
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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 1:32:52 PM   
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by Wallace Stevens

Call the roller of big cigars,
The muscular one, and bid him whip
In kitchen cups concupiscent curds.
Let the wenches dawdle in such dress
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring flowers in last month's newspapers.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

Take from the dresser of deal,
Lacking the three glass knobs, that sheet
On which she embroidered fantails once
And spread it so as to cover her face.
If her horny feet protrude, they come
To show how cold she is, and dumb.
Let the lamp affix its beam.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 1:35:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		To him who talks and talks and talks and talks;
this motto should appeal.

The steam that toots the whistle;
has never turned a wheel.

Most of our mottoes a purpose serves;
a call to arise and go---

But the above verse gets on my nerves;
for my supply of steam is low.

From Poetry of the Insane.
(This was written by a shell-shocked  ww1 veteran.)

I probably own the only copy of that book, extant.


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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 1:39:29 PM   
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http://www.amazon.com/Poetry-Insane-The-Full-Mental/dp/0973647779

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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 1:47:05 PM   
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poetry FOR the insane.
rather
poetry OF the insane.

prithee, do not predispose my prepositions, pal o' mine.

It was a private publishing by the Superintendent of the Illinois State Mental Hospitals system in the 20's or 30's that he handed out to his resident nurses in training on their way to fulfilling their degree.


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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 2:27:55 PM   
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http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=250399

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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/17/2012 2:35:36 PM   
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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/18/2012 7:09:28 AM   
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RE: Why ObamaCare might work - 7/18/2012 7:40:22 AM   
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scully

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