what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ?

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deeplove -> what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 3:00:24 PM)
I'd really appreciate your opinion regarding this matter because a lot of people are confuse about this important thing ...

thishereboi -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 3:04:55 PM)
I think a submissive is someone who identifies as a submissive and a slave is someone who identifies as a slave. Anything beyond that is up to the individuals in that relationship.

kalikshama -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 3:05:35 PM)
What are YOUR definitions? Also, it matters less how random people define sub v slave but how you and your partner define it.

wildernessbitch -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 3:06:27 PM)
To me, the difference between submissive and slave is a mindset. How bout you?

PrincessJessieJ -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 3:12:30 PM)
For me, it's this.. IMO, there's a difference in how each serves, and how each comes to the table to begin with. To me, at least, a sub is someone who wishes to serve and be dominated- but is also not desperate to do so. For the record, I don't consider those still in the throes of sub frenzy to quite be 'full' submissives yet because of that desperation. Add to that, this- a submissive may be granted freedoms by his/her dom/me that a slave may not. Although.. honestly, there's plenty of different ideas of what differentiates the two- and for some people, there's little to no difference at all. Depends on the people in the relationship. tl;dr-- What thishereboi said.

CalifChick -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 3:18:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deeplove I'd really appreciate your opinion regarding this matter because a lot of people are confuse about this important thing ... You're assuming it's important. It is not important. It just doesn't matter. Cali

JanahX -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 3:22:15 PM)
GOD ... Not this AGAIN. [sm=Groaner.gif]

mnottertail -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 3:23:35 PM)
what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? I would have spelled it difference. ^^^^^ This.

OsideGirl -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 3:25:33 PM)
One has 5 letters, the other has 10.

xLaChienne -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 3:25:52 PM)
What confusion? How and why is it important? Define it how you want and go forth in the BDSM world in a way that brings you happiness. It's really not any more complicated than that.

wildernessbitch -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 3:26:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CalifChick You're assuming it's important. It is not important. It just doesn't matter. Cali Oh so this!

crazyml -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 4:37:39 PM)
If you're really interested then take a look at this... http://www.collarchat.com/m_3236156/mpage_3/key_slave/tm.htm#3236520 Especially the posts by barelynangel. I don't agree with much of what she posted but, barelynangel certainly had some clear ideas about slavery vs submission.

stef -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 4:49:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deeplove I'd really appreciate your opinion regarding this matter because a lot of people are confuse about this important thing ... Do tell. Please, take a moment and set everyone straight on the matter.

puppet11 -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 4:59:37 PM)
left to interpretation. IMO - as a sub, I choose to submit; as a slave, I am given no choice

CalifChick -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 5:05:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: puppet11 left to interpretation. IMO - as a sub, I choose to submit; as a slave, I am given no choice Okay, I'll bite. Again. Not a single one of my friends who identifies as a sub, and is in a relationship, would ever dream of choosing to submit or choosing to NOT submit to her Dom. Choosing to not submit means he is no longer her dom. How is that different from a slave? It's not, it's all semantics. Oh, if you're talking about the initial start of the relationship, I say that is bullocks as well, or else there would be no unowned slaves, but simply Masters walking up to them and saying "mine now, you have no choice". Cali

NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 5:11:38 PM)
OMG, I wondered when another sub vs slave thread would show up. There are about 50 gazillion of those out there already, so use the Search function for crying out loud!!

OsideGirl -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 5:17:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CalifChick quote: ORIGINAL: puppet11 left to interpretation. IMO - as a sub, I choose to submit; as a slave, I am given no choice Okay, I'll bite. Again. Not a single one of my friends who identifies as a sub, and is in a relationship, would ever dream of choosing to submit or choosing to NOT submit to her Dom. Choosing to not submit means he is no longer her dom. How is that different from a slave? It's not, it's all semantics. Exactly. I'm a submissive. I've committed to be submissive to him. I don't consent every freaking time. I consented once, for ever.......which is exactly what you say a slave does.

JeffBC -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 5:43:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deeplove I'd really appreciate your opinion regarding this matter because a lot of people are confuse about this important thing ... No. Nobody is "confused" because there is no right answer. What is true is that there are a lot of folks who have a lot of differing viewpoints. Mine personally? I look for two things when I think of "master" and "slave". A) A sense of ownership And by that I do not mean "we're kinky dating". I mean "property". B) A TPE relationship And by that I do not mean "well.. sort of kind of total except, of course, for all the obvious things which nobody would consider as reasonable yada yada." What I mean is "total". Job, health, children, food, drugs, friends, sexual partners, etc.... all a part of "total". Both (a) and (b) above are not easily quantifiable... more in the "I know it when I see it" sort of category. But how does that help you and or all the confused people out there? I don't actually think my own personal definition has any meaning whatsoever outside of my own relationship. Nor do I care one bit about your definition. What I know is what it takes for me to feel a sense of "owning" Carol and at the point she is "owned human property" then the word we use for that is "slave".

OsideGirl -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 5:46:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: deeplove I'd really appreciate your opinion regarding this matter because a lot of people are confuse about this important thing ... No. Nobody is "confused" because there is no right answer. What is true is that there are a lot of folks who have a lot of differing viewpoints. Mine personally? I look for two things when I think of "master" and "slave". A) A sense of ownership And by that I do not mean "we're kinky dating". I mean "property". B) A TPE relationship And by that I do not mean "well.. sort of kind of total except, of course, for all the obvious things which nobody would consider as reasonable yada yada." What I mean is "total". Job, health, children, food, drugs, friends, sexual partners, etc.... all a part of "total". Both (a) and (b) above are not easily quantifiable... more in the "I know it when I see it" sort of category. But how does that help you and or all the confused people out there? I don't actually think my own personal definition has any meaning whatsoever outside of my own relationship. Nor do I care one bit about your definition. What I know is what it takes for me to feel a sense of "owning" Carol and at the point she is "owned human property" then the word we use for that is "slave". And here's the thing: You and Carol have been together for 18 years, so clearly your definition works for you. I always find it funny when someone not in a relationship decides to tell people in successful relationships that they're doing it wrong.

JeffBC -> RE: what is for you the diferent between a Submissive and an Slave ? (7/17/2012 5:58:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl And here's the thing: You and Carol have been together for 18 years, so clearly your definition works for you. chuckles Or, it is today anyway -- some days not so much. I always find it funny when someone not in a relationship decides to tell people in successful relationships that they're doing it wrong. Well yeah laughs. That and the other thing I love is some guy telling me he's got 20 years of experience being a master only to find out that translates into a relationship ever 6 months so 40 slaves. Sometimes they'll even trot out that as a sales metric too... Dude! I've had 40 slaves over 20 years! I'm experienced!!! I keep it inside but I'm usually laughing and thinking, "Well yes, but I was hoping to have an M/s relationship which actually works." That being said, this guy didn't come right out and say we're all doing it wrong. He implied it with his pious hand-wringing but I was willing to answer the question as asked. I guess the question that just popped into my head though was this. Man, I spent quite a number of years just trying to figure out that whole "owned" thing with Carol. Who ARE all these people that want to sort it out for the rest of humanity too?

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