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thompsonx -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/19/2012 6:27:39 AM)

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And, the company won't be putting it back on the Market because of regulatory hurdles.
What specific hurdles would you like to see removed so you can try out this drug that is,according to your post, 20% effective?


Let's see...have a drug that is 20% effective, or have no drug therapy at all. Your call, dude.


No...dude ...try the math again as has been pointed out to you several times.




Owner59 -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/19/2012 10:43:15 AM)

DesideriScuri.....if the heavy hand of gubment is so awful.....if you really wanted to,you could get some BPA and add it to the things your kids or your nieces and nephews consume......ok?[8|]


I mean who the fuck are these know-it-alls telling us what to do with our sippy-cups.....?!


http://www.cbs8.com/story/19045895/fda-bans-bpa-from-baby-bottles-sippy-cups


BPA has a checkered history, with many consumer advocate groups pointing to studies suggesting the chemical might disrupt hormones and trigger a host of unhealthy changes in children and adults, including cancer, obesity and developmental/reproductive problems.




TheHeretic -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/19/2012 6:20:06 PM)


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That's certainly not their rhetoric, though, is it.



Not according to the sources that fit into your little comfort zone.




Owner59 -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/19/2012 6:51:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That's certainly not their rhetoric, though, is it.



Not according to the sources that fit into your little comfort zone.



This is like towely pointing his finger and saying......"no......you`re a towel"......


It`s your own wanker you`re pull`n, buddy......




Musicmystery -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/19/2012 7:47:48 PM)


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That's certainly not their rhetoric, though, is it.



Not according to the sources that fit into your little comfort zone.

Oh, do tell. Bring on the sources that change the rhetoric.




TheHeretic -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/19/2012 8:30:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Oh, do tell. Bring on the sources that change the rhetoric.



I already do that, Muse, and will continue to do so. If you are playing from a mindset that having been hired to do things, and having done them successfully, is a negative in Romney's qualifications to be President, I can't help you much.




thompsonx -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/19/2012 8:34:31 PM)


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I already do that, Muse, and will continue to do so. If you are playing from a mindset that having been hired to do things, and having done them successfully, is a negative in Romney's qualifications to be President, I can't help you much.

So if you hire someone to murder your enemy and they do so sucessfully then you feel that qualifies them to be president?




Owner59 -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/19/2012 8:45:00 PM)


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Oh, do tell. Bring on the sources that change the rhetoric.



I already do that, Muse, and will continue to do so. If you are playing from a mindset that having been hired to do things, and having done them successfully, is a negative in Romney's qualifications to be President, I can't help you much.




If Mitten`s is so "successful"......why is he hiding his returns?[:D]


Drip...drip...drip...[;)]




tweakabelle -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/19/2012 9:04:13 PM)

I'm unsure how much to read into the fact that DS is reduced to peddling such a loser as Xigris.

I'm inclined to think it's just another example of the paucity of evidence available to opponents of healthcare regulation, which in turn is an indicator of how rightwing ideology triumphs over (empirical) fact in this matter




DesideriScuri -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/20/2012 8:19:34 PM)

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I'm unsure how much to read into the fact that DS is reduced to peddling such a loser as Xigris.
I'm inclined to think it's just another example of the paucity of evidence available to opponents of healthcare regulation, which in turn is an indicator of how rightwing ideology triumphs over (empirical) fact in this matter


Yet, you felt inclined to respond. Hmmmm....





Owner59 -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/20/2012 8:27:40 PM)

One thing about the "gubment-is -bad" whiner-clowns, is they are usually the 1st and loudest to whine and complain when the government fails to protect folks from un-safe food,drugs and other stuff...




DesideriScuri -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/21/2012 4:22:23 AM)

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One thing about the "gubment-is -bad" whiner-clowns, is they are usually the 1st and loudest to whine and complain when the government fails to protect folks from un-safe food,drugs and other stuff...


Well, Owner59, when the Government's takes it upon themselves to do so, they had better do so. You can't have it both ways, dude. If you're going to protect us, protect us. Don't be our supposed protector and then, not get bought by those you are supposed to be protecting us from.

Did you watch, Food, Inc.? There was one farmer who farms beef, pork and chicken the way they've evolved to be raised. His chicken processing area is under a shade providing structure, but it's outside. He sent chicken for testing and it came back with nearly 100x less bacteria than did chicken from a USDA-regulated "sanitary" processing plant. Helluva job there, eh?





mnottertail -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/21/2012 7:41:33 AM)

The processing plants are in place and are filthy fucking sewers. They preceeded the USDA and they were powerful trusts, and built-in lobbies before the USDA got in there.  The USDA keeps it down to a dull roar.    The lobby for the Morrells, Armours, and so on insure that they are kept hamstrung and only enforce the barest minimum standards.

The helluva job comment is on the lobby and payoffs to politicos.
 




vincentML -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/21/2012 10:28:50 AM)


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One thing about the "gubment-is -bad" whiner-clowns, is they are usually the 1st and loudest to whine and complain when the government fails to protect folks from un-safe food,drugs and other stuff...


Well, Owner59, when the Government's takes it upon themselves to do so, they had better do so. You can't have it both ways, dude. If you're going to protect us, protect us. Don't be our supposed protector and then, not get bought by those you are supposed to be protecting us from.

Did you watch, Food, Inc.? There was one farmer who farms beef, pork and chicken the way they've evolved to be raised. His chicken processing area is under a shade providing structure, but it's outside. He sent chicken for testing and it came back with nearly 100x less bacteria than did chicken from a USDA-regulated "sanitary" processing plant. Helluva job there, eh?




I find it is usually not a good idea to eat beef, pork, or chicken raw. Cooking tends to kill the bacteria, worms and shit. Then I don't have to waste time complaining about inadequately funded government services. Just sayin.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/22/2012 4:51:44 AM)

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One thing about the "gubment-is -bad" whiner-clowns, is they are usually the 1st and loudest to whine and complain when the government fails to protect folks from un-safe food,drugs and other stuff...

Well, Owner59, when the Government's takes it upon themselves to do so, they had better do so. You can't have it both ways, dude. If you're going to protect us, protect us. Don't be our supposed protector and then, not get bought by those you are supposed to be protecting us from.
Did you watch, Food, Inc.? There was one farmer who farms beef, pork and chicken the way they've evolved to be raised. His chicken processing area is under a shade providing structure, but it's outside. He sent chicken for testing and it came back with nearly 100x less bacteria than did chicken from a USDA-regulated "sanitary" processing plant. Helluva job there, eh?

I find it is usually not a good idea to eat beef, pork, or chicken raw. Cooking tends to kill the bacteria, worms and shit. Then I don't have to waste time complaining about inadequately funded government services. Just sayin.


So, no steak tartare for you, then. That's not the point anyway....




DesideriScuri -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/22/2012 4:54:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
The processing plants are in place and are filthy fucking sewers. They preceeded the USDA and they were powerful trusts, and built-in lobbies before the USDA got in there.  The USDA keeps it down to a dull roar.    The lobby for the Morrells, Armours, and so on insure that they are kept hamstrung and only enforce the barest minimum standards.
The helluva job comment is on the lobby and payoffs to politicos.


So, what you're saying is that the USDA is impotent. What's the point of having them around, then?

I do not doubt that politicians are paid off. It's interesting that you'll place all the blame on the payer, without putting any blame on the payee. Both have wronged the US Citizen. Both need to be held accountable.




outhere69 -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/22/2012 6:29:03 AM)

The regulatory side's way undermanned and underfunded. For reasons why we should have an FDA, just look at what passed for products before the Pure Foods act was passed.

Do you think that the meatpackers would actually regulate themselves? They have a miserable record on that already.




vincentML -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/22/2012 11:20:30 AM)

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So, what you're saying is that the USDA is impotent. What's the point of having them around, then?


Defund government agencies and then try to abolish them for being useless. A 'small government' strategy.




Real0ne -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/22/2012 12:19:28 PM)


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That was a longer than normal conspiracy theory.....no more impressive than the moon flight, the phrase "pull it" or Elvis is alive on an island hanging with JFK....nice effort though!



well pull it is not gubafia approved language




mnottertail -> RE: Government is Killing Americans!!!** (7/23/2012 6:03:54 AM)

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The processing plants are in place and are filthy fucking sewers. They preceeded the USDA and they were powerful trusts, and built-in lobbies before the USDA got in there.  The USDA keeps it down to a dull roar.    The lobby for the Morrells, Armours, and so on insure that they are kept hamstrung and only enforce the barest minimum standards.
The helluva job comment is on the lobby and payoffs to politicos.


So, what you're saying is that the USDA is impotent. What's the point of having them around, then?

I do not doubt that politicians are paid off. It's interesting that you'll place all the blame on the payer, without putting any blame on the payee. Both have wronged the US Citizen. Both need to be held accountable.


I told you.  To keep it down to a dull roar. Its interesting that you spew horseshit left and right like you are more than a cretin, but not so.

What  the fuck do you mean it's interesting that I will place all the blame on the payer?  Are you able to find your own ass with two hands and a flashlight?

If you are unknowledgeable, as well as incomprehending then you should let big people talk, and keep your asswipe to yourself.

Do not assign any positions to me in order to impugn me, because A) I do not hold them, and B) you havent the intelligence to pour piss out of a boot.  




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