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tazzygirl -> American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:19:01 AM)
Here is a fun game to play... How many ongoing organizations that are considered socialism can you name that are alive.. and some thriving... in the US currently... Im curious as to who can get all the correct answers.. and maybe see some surprising ones. ETA Those outside of the US borders.. and those within but not US citizens can also play along. I like to see perspectives from others.

Hillwilliam -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:22:51 AM)
Amtrak. Freddie Mac. Fannie Mae. TVA. Is that what you were looking for Taz? corporations or organizations? I thought of those off the top of my head.

vincentML -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:27:53 AM)
medicare, medicaid, social security administration, postal service [:)]

mnottertail -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:31:24 AM)
congress, senate, supreme court, Elks, Eagles, Masons, Chamber of Commerce, Lake Region Electric Cooperative, Cenex, and tons more.

tazzygirl -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:33:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Amtrak. Freddie Mac. Fannie Mae. TVA. Is that what you were looking for Taz? corporations or organizations? I thought of those off the top of my head. Yours are a bit narrow.. but on the right track [;)]

tazzygirl -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:34:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML medicare, medicaid, social security administration, postal service [:)] Fantastic answers!

Hillwilliam -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:36:33 AM)
I almost forgot about NASA and NOAA

tazzygirl -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:36:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail congress, senate, supreme court, Elks, Eagles, Masons, Chamber of Commerce, Lake Region Electric Cooperative, Cenex, and tons more. How are the courts a socialistic entity? Arent the Elks, Eagles, Masons private in a way?

mnottertail -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:40:47 AM)
they are benevolent and protective societies. the supreme court is based on social acceptance and consensus.

Hillwilliam -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:45:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail congress, senate, supreme court, Elks, Eagles, Masons, Chamber of Commerce, Lake Region Electric Cooperative, Cenex, and tons more. How are the courts a socialistic entity? Arent the Elks, Eagles, Masons private in a way? Elks, Eagles, Masons, etc are totally private.

tazzygirl -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:46:42 AM)
Maybe the classic definition that I am seeing isnt the right one. Perhaps you can help me out with one that we can use that might better fit what I am trying to get across? Im sure you know what I am referring too. I see very little ihn the US that isnt socialistic in some form, to be honest.

mnottertail -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:48:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail congress, senate, supreme court, Elks, Eagles, Masons, Chamber of Commerce, Lake Region Electric Cooperative, Cenex, and tons more. How are the courts a socialistic entity? Arent the Elks, Eagles, Masons private in a way? Elks, Eagles, Masons, etc are totally private. and that makes them unsocialistic how? You dont got to be one of them to go to a shriners hospital or the burn units.

kalikshama -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:53:59 AM)
Veterans Health Administration

Hillwilliam -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:57:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail congress, senate, supreme court, Elks, Eagles, Masons, Chamber of Commerce, Lake Region Electric Cooperative, Cenex, and tons more. How are the courts a socialistic entity? Arent the Elks, Eagles, Masons private in a way? Elks, Eagles, Masons, etc are totally private. and that makes them unsocialistic how? You dont got to be one of them to go to a shriners hospital or the burn units. Charitable organizations aren't socialist. Maybe our definitions are different. My def of socialist is "Government owned business or industry". (I know that oversimplifies it but you have to look at a lot of the audience that is lurking in the background and reading this)

kalikshama -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:58:50 AM)
My cousin claims all big business in the US are essentially socialized due to government support in the form of subsidies, bailouts, etc., and that only smaller businesses are truly capitalistic.

mnottertail -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 7:59:36 AM)
well, yeah, I hear you but I don't have to give honest consideration to drooling imbeciles. I am not that socialistic in my nature.

thompsonx -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 8:13:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama My cousin claims all big business in the US are essentially socialized due to government support in the form of subsidies, bailouts, etc., and that only smaller businesses are truly capitalistic. Capitalism seeks a monopoly whether it is govt subsidized or not.

Winterapple -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 9:27:40 AM)
Public libraries and fire departments

tazzygirl -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 1:31:53 PM)
Here is my list... Social Security Welfare Medicare Religious Charities Public Education Law Enforcement Military Postal Service Anyone who took a Financial Bailout Even Infratsructure I can see an argument for any organization based upon the above being an organization based upon socialism being valid as well.

Moonhead -> RE: American Socialism (7/20/2012 2:00:37 PM)
You wouldn't say that because said organizations are funded through taxes raised under a capitalist system rather than run through voluntary co-operation in a post capitalist society that disqualifies them as socialist, then?

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