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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 8:10:14 PM   
Lucylastic


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I have less than ten pairs of shoes. dumb ass analogy.



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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 8:13:14 PM   
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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 8:18:06 PM   
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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 8:29:43 PM   
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I thought the 2nd Amendment was written by God, or at least one of the Archangels. Really? So humans wrote it?

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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 8:33:15 PM   
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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 8:46:56 PM   
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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 8:47:51 PM   
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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 8:49:14 PM   
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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 9:04:21 PM   
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Semi automatic = one trigger pull, one bullet fires.

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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 9:10:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bishop1984

Thank God for rabid gun nuts. We need them to counteract knee jerk crybabies like most of the people in this forum.

Thanks for weighing in with your reasoned and well thought out position.....putz.

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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 9:19:09 PM   
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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 9:49:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

It's pretty likely that if stricter gun control laws were in place, he might not have killed and wounded as many people...but in my view our country would be a very different place. The right to own and use guns is woven into our fabric from the very founding of the nation, the ability of the people to defy their government should it become tyrannical, implicit.

However, if there is a cost to our particular brand of freedom, this is certainly part of it.

Our country NEEDS to be a very different place. The nonsense about guns to overthrow the government is NRA crap. That would be treason. There is no such "escape clause."

This is the cost, and it's the same mentality that allowed Ford to argue since it was cheaper to pay a few hundred funeral claims when their Pintos blew up, it was not cost effective to recall them and fix the problem.

That's what needs to change.

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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 9:52:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Also a vetren and I must point out that Madison stated that firearms in the hands of the people was the safeguard against tyrany. Also it says the right of the people not the rights of the states.

Wrong on both counts. We already went down this road.

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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 10:06:19 PM   
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< Message edited by BamaD -- 7/21/2012 10:07:14 PM >

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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 10:11:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not intended as a cheap shot but as an example she can have as many shoes as she wants. I was merely pointing out that excessive to one person is perfectly reasonable to another. I have never had more than three pair, two because the Air Force said I had to have them. Over 4 seems excessive to me but thats just me , if you want one hundred it's ok with me.

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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 10:24:40 PM   
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I do believe that if the men who wrote the Bill of Rights were alive today, they would be the first ones to try to make changes that could stop mass killings like the one that just happened.


I think an assumption the killings are caused by easy access to guns is oversimplification of the issue. With some martial artist skills one could probably chop 12 people to death using a sword or an axe. There are wide range of possibilities to commit mass murder. One can not avoid analysis of the society and culture that develops the mindset in some individuals. Suppose the government confiscates all general public guns in a massive military/police operation.  Do you think a smart intelligent guy (with twisted mind) will be unable to acquire weapons he wants? There will be a massive underground market. One may just pretend he is a Mexican drug dealer and buy a grenade launcher from the US government.


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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 10:26:33 PM   
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221 years later, weapons are available that the men who wrote the Bill of Rights could not foresee.


True. That's a point oddly overlooked by the "originalists" who otherwise argue that the Constitution should be read as it was in 1789.

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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 10:28:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

It's pretty likely that if stricter gun control laws were in place, he might not have killed and wounded as many people...but in my view our country would be a very different place. The right to own and use guns is woven into our fabric from the very founding of the nation, the ability of the people to defy their government should it become tyrannical, implicit.

However, if there is a cost to our particular brand of freedom, this is certainly part of it.

Our country NEEDS to be a very different place. The nonsense about guns to overthrow the government is NRA crap. That would be treason. There is no such "escape clause."

This is the cost, and it's the same mentality that allowed Ford to argue since it was cheaper to pay a few hundred funeral claims when their Pintos blew up, it was not cost effective to recall them and fix the problem.

That's what needs to change.



yes we need to take your guns

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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 10:30:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fellow

quote:

I do believe that if the men who wrote the Bill of Rights were alive today, they would be the first ones to try to make changes that could stop mass killings like the one that just happened.


I think an assumption the killings are caused by easy access to guns is oversimplification of the issue. With some martial artist skills one could probably chop 12 people to death using a sword or an axe. There are wide range of possibilities to commit mass murder. One can not avoid analysis of the society and culture that develops the mindset in some individuals. Suppose the government confiscates all general public guns in a massive military/police operation.  Do you think a smart intelligent guy (with twisted mind) will be unable to acquire weapons he wants? There will be a massive underground market. One may just pretend he is a Mexican drug dealer and buy a grenade launcher from the US government.




in a movie theater?

hell yeh! easily match the death toll

(if no one has a gun!)


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RE: 2nd amendment - 7/21/2012 10:36:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
But the right to bear arms is granted only in the context of a well-regulated militia and thus the security of a free state.


completely wrong.

scotus validated how wrong it is in the heller case

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