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RE: sexual assault victim could face charges for tweeti... - 7/23/2012 6:24:41 PM   
servantforuse


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Status: offline 		She did one thing wrong. She was either drunk or on drugs and passed out at age 17. I'm not saying it was her fault, but we never heard the rest of the story. I'm sure thet the judge sealed that also.

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RE: sexual assault victim could face charges for tweeti... - 7/23/2012 6:29:07 PM   
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She did one thing wrong. She was either drunk or on drugs and passed out at age 17. I'm not saying it was her fault, but we never heard the rest of the story. I'm sure thet the judge sealed that also.

OR.. the boys googled on how to make roofies and spiked her drinks.. The boys bragged about what they did when she was knocked out or passed out, they took pics.. what rest of the story could there possibly be? And yes, when you say she did one thing wrong, you are indeed saying it was her fault..

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RE: sexual assault victim could face charges for tweeti... - 7/23/2012 6:38:51 PM   
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She did one thing wrong. She was either drunk or on drugs and passed out at age 17.


Fortunately, the law has evolved past the "she asked for it" defense.

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RE: sexual assault victim could face charges for tweeti... - 7/23/2012 6:55:27 PM   
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RE: sexual assault victim could face charges for tweeti... - 7/23/2012 7:55:54 PM   
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Anyone have any idea what manner the "sexual assault" took? There's a difference between undressing her and taking pics in lewd positions and actually undressing her and taking pics while fucking her.

I disagree,.. there is no difference, she is a minor... and child porn is child porn..


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You don't have to penetrate someone to be guilty of sexual assault.
I could approach a woman and yank her top off and BOOM, sexual assault, Im in jail with my name on the naughty list. I wouldn't even have to touch her skin with my fingertips.


I'm not saying that taking pictures isn't sexual assault, or that it's "okay." It is still wrong, and still sexual assault. However, are you two going to tell me that you think taking pictures of a naked drunk chick is just as bad as fucking a naked drunk chick while taking pictures? Yes, they are both sexual assault.

Zero tolerance could also make the point that a little boy kissing a little girl in school is sexual assault, and so could a hormonal boy touching the ass of a female classmate be sexual assault. And, neither of those is on the same order as raping someone.

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RE: sexual assault victim could face charges for tweeti... - 7/23/2012 9:24:47 PM   
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Anyone have any idea what manner the "sexual assault" took? There's a difference between undressing her and taking pics in lewd positions and actually undressing her and taking pics while fucking her.

I disagree,.. there is no difference, she is a minor... and child porn is child porn..


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ORIGINAL: HillWilliam
You don't have to penetrate someone to be guilty of sexual assault.
I could approach a woman and yank her top off and BOOM, sexual assault, Im in jail with my name on the naughty list. I wouldn't even have to touch her skin with my fingertips.


I'm not saying that taking pictures isn't sexual assault, or that it's "okay." It is still wrong, and still sexual assault. However, are you two going to tell me that you think taking pictures of a naked drunk chick is just as bad as fucking a naked drunk chick while taking pictures? Yes, they are both sexual assault.

Zero tolerance could also make the point that a little boy kissing a little girl in school is sexual assault, and so could a hormonal boy touching the ass of a female classmate be sexual assault. And, neither of those is on the same order as raping someone.

She wasnt just a naked drunk chick, she was an underage girl, and defined as a child.. what part of taking pics and distributing them to others of an underage girl is child porn and extremely serious no matter what kind of pics they are dont you get??? Even tho Traci Lords went into making porn of her own volition using a fake DL when she was underage at age 15, those vids of her are child porn and very illegal in the US.. The owner of the movie agency that made those vids of her went to jail and had to pay a hefty fine..

And I know its hard for some dense men to understand that a girl does not need to be raped to experience the same emotional devastation, fear, distrust, etc as if she had been raped. And for these boys to do what they did to a girl that was not conscience is extremely disgusting and sleazy and imo there was a good likelyhood that they drugged her and that she was not simply a "drunk chick"..

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RE: sexual assault victim could face charges for tweeti... - 7/23/2012 9:50:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Would everyone here feel a little differently if the two boys violated the court order and outed her on twitter ? Just asking.



What a completely ignorant question.

I can`t believe people are bashing the victim,implying she did something wrong or putting any onice on her.


Sad.




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RE: sexual assault victim could face charges for tweeti... - 7/23/2012 10:18:01 PM   
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RE: sexual assault victim could face charges for tweeti... - 7/23/2012 11:38:43 PM   
Winterapple


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What she did might or might not have
been legal. But I don't see anything
ethically or morally wrong in what she
did. The violaters have been violated.
Oh, sting.

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RE: sexual assault victim could face charges for tweeti... - 7/24/2012 5:51:37 AM   
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You just can't do some things, and going on twitter in this instance was the wrong thing to do.


No, I couldn't disagree more. Having followed the pedophile scandal to the south of me in Boston and on the other side of me in Manchester I've got to say, she did the right thing. Being forced against her will to keep this secret is the wrong thing for the community and for her own healing.

If they've actually found some bullshit way of claiming that the first amendment doesn't apply to this, then we as a society really need to get that fixed.

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RE: sexual assault victim could face charges for tweeti... - 7/24/2012 6:25:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/savannah-dietrich-contempt-charege_n_1696303.html
On Monday, attorneys for the boys dropped their motion to charge her with contempt. David Mejia, an attorney for one of the boys, said the decision to withdraw the motion had nothing to do with public sentiment and online attention to the case.

I'm so calling bullshit on that. The perpetrators are terrified that their names will be known nationally.

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ORIGINAL: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/savannah-dietrich-contempt-charege_n_1696303.html
Chris Klein, an attorney for one of the boys, said publicizing their names may create problems for them in the future.

"There's always that possibility and in any type of scenario like this you run that risk," he said. "Now whether both these boys can overcome those hurdles, it's too early to determine that."

Klein said it's possible, but unlikely, that prosecutors would make the same contempt charge against Dietrich. Both sides will still be bound by the confidentiality of the juvenile court proceedings.

"I think her behavior will dictate whether it's the end of it or not," Klein said. "If all the parties abide by the confidentiality of juvenile court, then I think that's the end of it."

Yep, terrified and doing everything they can to keep this secret.

Oh and in case anyone is still wondering this was the issue:

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ORIGINAL: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/savannah-dietrich-contempt-charege_n_1696303.html
Dion said the Kentucky law on gag orders in juvenile cases presupposes that information revealed came from reading the court record. In Dietrich's case, he noted, she was the victim, and she had independent knowledge of the crime.

"And I think a restriction or gag order on a victim creates some First Amendment issues," Dion said.


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RE: sexual assault victim could face charges for tweeti... - 7/24/2012 6:13:24 PM   
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I'm glad the judge realized he was a fucking idiot.


The judge really had nothing to do with it; the lawyers for the convicted requested that the judge find her in contempt but then withdrew the request before he could make a ruling. That being said, the judge might very well have held her in contempt if pressed for a decision and he felt he had no other choice that was consistent with the law. That being said, the fact that he has not cited her as being in contempt despite the withdrawal (he could, after-all), suggests something of his own perspective on whether such a charge would be appropriate to the context.

I'm inclined to agree with GotSteel's interpretation of their motives in withdrawing the request; they tried to get out in front of the exposure by getting the gag order enforced, but in doing so failed to understand the nature of twitter and the internet in general and (perhaps predictably) wound up exploding the exposure further. Mind you, they probably would have had a monumental uphill legal battle to keep her silent in any event, but under normal circumstances they would have stood a better chance of simply wearing the girl down, keeping the names relatively unknown. At this point they realize their position in this effort is tenuous -- notice the not-so subtle threat implied with "I think her behavior will dictate whether it's the end of it or not." and "If all the parties abide by the confidentiality of juvenile court, then I think that's the end of it.". Presented with a lose-lose scenario -- they can press forward with trying to get the gag order enforced, with dubious chances of success, but even if they do succeed, those names will almost certainly be household names by the end of the process -- they are instead now banking on the idea that she's gotten her protestation out of her system and that, having made this stand, she will not be willing to take further risk. Personally I hope she never lets her words, when and if she chooses to talk about these events, be the least bit influenced by that consideration. And honestly, let her attackers press forward if they really want -- ultimately I don't see a judgment in the higher courts ruling against her, which means that all they would accomplish is setting a precedent that would protect future victims from having to face the threats she has in order to speak the truth concerning their assaults.

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