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Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in English


Good for him! I think it is about time someone took a stand!
  78% (85)
This is discrimination.
  6% (7)
Spanish speaking people shouldn't be required to learn English.
  0% (1)
I'll just eat at Taco Bell.
  2% (3)
Who really gives a rats ass?
  11% (12)


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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 11:54:59 AM   
JohnWarren


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Status: offline 		It's his option. 

It's my option where I eat and spend my money.  Come to think of it, that's everyone's option.



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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 11:55:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge

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My statment was in reponse to reading the posts and what seemed to be a debate of whether or not the man "had" to serve them. No where did I state as a fact that he had refuse.  I was simply giving my opinion as a hypothetical, SHOULD he try to refuse someone. 


Oh, I don't think he will refuse to serve someone. That is not his intent or statement. If you didn't read the article, I suggest you do... it truly is an interesting issue.

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 And yes, there are clubs that require memberships , that have rules etc.  Unless I am mistaken, Genos is public restaurant (subject to regulations) .  A private club...just that...private.  


Yeah... I kind of thought about this after I had written that. Not the best analogy.


Well, I guess I answered not fully informed then.  Again, I was responding to the posts in the thread, without having read the article. 

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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 11:57:33 AM   
Gauge


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Your sarcasm by the way is so not deserved, or necessary to discussing the topic


It was not intended to be as biting as you think. I really thought that I may have missed something.

I do point out though (and I will not get sucked into a silly debate about a non-issue) that you implied (regardless of your disclaimer) that he had turned people away.

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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 12:06:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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Your sarcasm by the way is so not deserved, or necessary to discussing the topic


It was not intended to be as biting as you think. I really thought that I may have missed something.

I do point out though (and I will not get sucked into a silly debate about a non-issue) that you implied (regardless of your disclaimer) that he had turned people away.


Perhaps then I misinterpreted your statement as sarcasm. As you misinterpreted mine as an "implication" of anything other than what I stated it was.

But, If you dont want to get sucked into a silly debate, then dont start one. 

I didnt know whether or not he turned people away at all actually. As I said, others were speaking of his *right* to do so, and that is what I responded to. 
Please do not speak towards my implication as the author of the statement.  You are no more in a position to do that, than I am to tell you how YOU meant something.  You are however, entitled to you own interpretation of my words. But it is, just that, your interpretation.
 
But you have cleverly gotten off the topic of what you so badly wanted to debate.  Or did you only want to debate it with those who were in 100% agreement with you?

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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 12:10:17 PM   
Gauge


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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 12:18:54 PM   
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I strongly disagree W/You on this one LaM, do you think it's the owners responsability to have an interpreter for All the Languages spoken??? Sheesh I'd hate to pay his payroll...
I also concur with the others that say if you're going to live in America that you need to do your best to assimilate...
If you don't have the mind to do that then avail yourself of one other American right... That's to carry your sorry ass out of Our Nation & go back to the third world country you prolly came from & Stay There!!!

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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 12:24:42 PM   
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< Message edited by marieToo -- 6/9/2006 12:25:47 PM >

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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 12:37:05 PM   
OnyxGoddess


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Status: offline 		dammit....EVERY single group that has come to america has had to learn the language.  If you want to speak your native tongue in the barrio, hood, or whatever else one calls their neighborhood-so be it.  but outside of that if one lives in the country they need to learn to speak the lingua.  when i lived in japan i made damn sure to know my hosts country's language and customs.  if you're going to take advantage of all this country has to offer why would you NOT want to know the language?  i have many friends of all backgrounds and in public they speak english...at home thier native language.  why is Geno's the one at fault?  you don't hear any other ethnic group speaking in public in thier native language or complaining.  we've made it too easy.  everywhere you go there is a spanish option.  not fair to the other groups and i should run around here crying racism for them. maybe when i call certain offices there should be a multi lingual option.  for french press 3, japanese press 4, arabic press 5.  give me a damn break.-maybe i'm just intolerant because everyone else seems to have adapted just fine to america and english except for one group.-ENLIGHTEN ME.

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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 1:36:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Because the black customers at Geno's don't give a fuck whether people order in English or in Spanish.  It's a non-issue.  Only right-wing whites from South Philadelphia care about this because they want to pretend that their neighborhood is being overrun by immigrants.  Have you ever been to Geno's?  Do you know the neighborhood?  Lemme guess: the answer is no.

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ORIGINAL: MstrssSatin

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Geno's customers are mostly white and black Philadelphians whose families have lived in the area for at least two generations. 

This isn't about immigrants.  This is all about his WHITE, ENGLISH-SPEAKING customers. 


This never fails, first you state that the resturant's customers are mostly second generation blacks and whites. Then in the next paragraph you attack whites only.  So now that you have your race bashing in lets move on.


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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 1:50:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know whether the agenda is bigoted or not, and I didn't say it was.  (I know that there are plenty of bigoted people in that neighborhood, but that's not the same thing.)

I said this: the purpose of this whole campaign is to get people riled up about a phoney issue and buy a cheese steak at Geno's.  Look, this guy's in the newspaper now, he's on Yahoo news, and now he has a whole Collarme thread about him.  THAT'S the agenda.  This isn't about immigrants  You want immigrants?  Go to Los Angeles.  The immigrants in Philadelphia know well enough how to order a cheese steak in English.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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And you know what--it seems to be working.  Look at this thread.  Seems like no more than two of you have ever BEEN to Geno's.  If I lived in HarryVanWinkle's laissez-faire Never-neverland, it wouldn't bother me so much that people seem to swallow bullshit hook line and sinker.  But I don't--I live in the world like everyone else.  And it dismays me the way people constantly swallow bullshit and end up being manipulated into supporting things they don't fully understand.


OK... say you are correct (I am not disputing that you are or aren't) and that there is an underlying bigoted agenda here. While I do not agree with bigotry I do think that 'When in Rome' applies. Gino's is only saying that they think people should make an effort. That is what I get from the article.

In posting this thread, my intent was to stir some conversation about what he is doing... not so much why he is doing it although that is a part of it.

I don't swallow bullshit hook line and sinker and I do understand enough to formulate an opinion based on what he is doing. I can see what the issue is that he is making a statement about. This isn't the first time a business owner has made a political statement, nor will it be the last.

What I find a bit strange is that the issue here really isn't political (although it is politically charged) but it is more the misstatement of immigrant groups saying that their current 'plight' is anything like those that came into the country in the 1920's. Clearly it isn't and that is not because America forced those people in the 20's to speak English, it is because the immigrants WANTED to adapt and conform and assimilate themselves into the culture. All I keep hearing from people is that we should make concessions to foreigners that make their home in America and that we should not expect anything from them because that would be racist and bigoted. I find that utter foolishness.


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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 2:29:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bottom line, for residents, not tourists at least...you are now in America, We speak English. If you want to stay here and have the benifits of being American, learn the language. I have no problem with folks who spoke Spanish, I speak a bit myself, having grown up in N.Texas. Many Texans can speak both, it's part of our heritage, and something we take very seriously. But if you ever want to see a pissed off Tejano ('fer them what don't know, that is a native Texan, of Mexican descent) watch some immigrant insist on speaking to him in Spanish because he refuses to learn the language of his new home... El Kaboom! y'all will see a wondorus display of four letter words in English, Spanish, Tex-mex Border slang, and a few other etymologies being hurled at the linguistically lazy latino in question.
I am a big proponenet of keeping your roots and traditions alive, but if you only wish to speak Spanish, go live in a country where that is the native tongue. If I were to immigrate to Germany, I'd learn German, If I lived in poland, I'd learn Polish, and if I found Myself in France... I'd wonder what I did to get God so pissed off at me! ;-)

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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 2:30:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		If nobody working there speaks spanish, it might be very difficult to figure the order out. But a friendly good business would try it's best to satisfy a customer. To just refuse to allow it is idiotic. Both as a decent human being and a business person. I am not bilingual to any extent, here in my english/french country. We have some silly but sort of needed language laws. When I have been in Quebec, the people are generally kind and patient with my very limited french, most know english.
In other countries I have visited, the areas I was in often had virtually no english speakers. They went out of their way to try and communicate.
Of course you will run into language/culture snobs and rude assholes or bigots in any place. Thankfully they are a minority.

So far I am the only one who went to Taco Bell. It would be a last resort, to avoid the anti spanish guys place. A good spanish restaurant would be a good choice.


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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 2:33:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		kedi, that depends on what you mean snobs... if by that you mean that Americans believe that you should speak English here, well, according to this poll at least, currently 83% of respondents believe that...seems like a pretty clear majority to Me.

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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 2:36:46 PM   
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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 2:40:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		grins, I'll bring the sauce. do you like your's sweet, or vinegarry?


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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 2:44:52 PM   
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grins, I'll bring the sauce. do you like your's sweet, or vinegarry?



On beef, vinegary please

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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 2:46:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are over 5000 languages on this planet. It seems to be asking a bit much for simple business owners to learn them all to cater to the few who are coming into their shop and can't order off the menu. If you're going into a local establishment, deal with it as the locals would and in that language or at least have a translation guide with you.

If I am stepping into someone's universe, I'll be happy to do things their way. If they are stepping into mine, they need to learn things my way.

The first phrase I learn before I go to any country where English isn't spoken is 'where's the bathroom?'

I don't expect the rest of the world to learn English because I have bladder control issues. ::chuckles::

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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 3:23:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol celeste.  donde esta el bano?  toire wa doko desu ka?   (in case you go to a latin country or japan)  And i love texas...used to live in San Antonio.  Damn i miss the salsa from H.E.B. (sobs)

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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 4:08:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		How interesting. My favorite color is green and it speaks the same language everywhere in American. I am very fond of that color and the language it speaks and I gladly take it from anyone. If he doesn’t want the business it is his prerogative, but considering the % of restaurant failure I think he is making a grievous error.

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RE: Philly Restaurant Owner Asks Patrons to Order in En... - 6/9/2006 5:52:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		As for refusing to serve someone a business is within it's right to do so.
Look at all those "fashionable" clubs with the "Doormen/Bouncers" in front of the door that won't even let you in the front door unless you look "cool enough."
I've never heard of one of them being sued and they surely DO "discriminate."
In the early part of the twentieth century I heard that the way most Immigrants learned english was to go to the movies or vaudeville shows.
Lord, are you talking about Immigrants or Illegal Aliens?

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