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why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/25/2012 9:00:39 PM   
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i found this pretty interesting
http://jezebel.com/5928584/why-most-mass-murderers-are-privileged-white-men

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/25/2012 9:10:12 PM   
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When a person goes to commit mass murder, I imagine where they do it is in obedience to Sutton's Principle.

Narcissistic people have an immense ego and sense of self aggrandisement (sp?). Of course that person's problem would be the "world's problem.


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Oops! Make that Sutton's Law!!

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/25/2012 9:12:41 PM   
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Interesting article. Thanks for posting the link.

Although, honestly, I always thought white guys shot up theaters and McDonalds for two different reasons - first, they can afford guns and explosives, and second, none of us can dance and it stays bottled up inside us.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/25/2012 9:37:51 PM   
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Wow. What a well thought out piece of racist garbage.

It's highly US centric, makes free use of supposition and uses anecdotal evidence to draw false conclusions. In fact the very title of it is false. If you pay attention to news out of other countries you will find that there are a lot of mass murderers not reported in this country. Off the top of my head: Axe murderers in China
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-10/20/content_712622.htm
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/China+axe+murderer+kills+8%2c+including+toddler%3a+state+media-a01611759299
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/world/asia/axe-wielding-farmer-goes-on-killing-spree-in-central-china.html?_r=1

They managed to do that without 'lax gun laws' and firearms.


The first link used as support for his arguments LINKS BACK TO THE SAME ARTICLE.

How many studies are quoted in it? Referenced?

Zero. Go back and count again if you don't believe me. Count the studies twice if you want.

So I spent a minute researching the author. Technically this would be an Ad-Hominem argument but I thought it would be a good idea to get a handle on the author.

After a (admittedly brief) study of articles and speeches online I think he is a man with a purpose. Specifically his purpose is to apologize to the world for being a white man.

There is no such thing as 'reverse racism.' Racism is racism: period.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/25/2012 10:00:45 PM   
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Wow. That certainly was an interesting take. I wish some effort was given to mention DC snipers Muhammed and Malvo. They seemed quite comfortable doing their killing in the public places.

It's very true that having the money to go out and buy guns, makes it easier to go out and buy guns.

It's difficult for me to take the white liberal guilt the author works from too seriously (I lived and learned enough poverty in my life, that I don't feel guilty about not being poor at the moment). That said, yeah, when these attacks are committed by younger people, look for the rich kid.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/25/2012 11:40:18 PM   
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Arab women have a long history of mass murder, and are neither privileged, nor white, nor male.
Czech women have committed mass murder, and are again hardly privileged white men.
From an androcentric set of sensibilities, they're usually more craven, but hey.

This ain't a good reply, but it's about as accurate as Jezebel tends to be.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 2:26:05 AM   
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I'd read that this was the case for serial killers, as opposed to mass murderers, in David Canter's 'Criminal Shadows'. (Canter is a criminal profiler, whose services had been employed by Scotland Yard.) But, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer, for how the relative proportions play out. We're looking at stereotyping, here.

Re that last: hyper-intelligent, cold, evil killers in the USA aren't always Brits with middle class English accents, though they might be in Hollywood. Just saying. ;-)

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 3:09:56 AM   
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Very bad research.

1. As others here stated, the article only looks at mass murder in the US. Despite the author's bias, there IS a world outside our borders.
2. The author neglects to describe how the term "mass murder" is defined. Does it have to be strangers that are killed, or would murdering one's own family count? Would politically driven murders such as 9/11 (which killed over 3000 people and was not done by privileged white men) count? How about when acts of war occur? My impression is that black-on-black violence is prevalent - what criteria did he use to exclude that?
3. Everyone's heard of Colorado's two most famous mass murders - Columbine and the Aurora shootings. The third most well-known was Nathan Dunlap's killing spree at Chuck E. Cheese. Dunlap was black, and his victims were all workers at the place he had been fired from, so his motive was a combination of robbery and revenge. Would a senseless motive be required to meet the author's criterion?
4. I will be willing to bet that a lot of illegals get quietly killed once they're in the US, by whomever brings them here. I assume that would be whites and Hispanics who ferry them over. Does that count?
5. Could gang violence resulting in death count?
6. Is each murder spree counted equally? Or does killing 50 people result in a spree counting five times as much as one that kills ten?

Where is his data from? My guess is that he ONLY used those murders that were reported in the media, and ONLY those he thought of off the top of his head. In other words, a massively biased data set.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 3:28:33 AM   
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DarkSteven:

To answer your question about his data: it is unknown. He relies on 'Appeal to authority' to say that he is right. Because he's a college professor. I have had some great professors. I had others that couldn't find their ass with both hands and a laser guided ass-finding machine.

This is the equivalent of KnightofMists saying that everyone should be poly because he's got two girls and he's happy - therefore it should work for everyone.

In retrospect, I chose the Chinese axe murderers as examples because the OP is a black woman so I didn't go with atrocities in Africa. I went for the 'other' so that I wasn't using white men or black men as proof because of a cultural issue that shouldn't be part of this discussion.

The people who 'snap' and climb a clock tower with a rifle or take an axe to downtown Shanghai are cross cultural and cross racial barriers. Whatever their reasons, there is no racial correlation.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 5:33:08 AM   
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Would the Genocide in Rwanda count as mass murder? 800,000 people.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 5:34:26 AM   
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I'm sorry but the only thing the article in the OP convinces me of is that any idiot these days can get an article published and call themselves a journalist.

Thing is where all these 'why murderers/rapists/etc tend to be x' type arguments fall apart is the seemingly automatic assumption that fate or destiny predetermines things here? The will of God?

Rhubarb! It might seem that way, but all this is in reality is picking external validation out of thin air for an assumption dressed up as fact. This is how people get stereotyped and stigmatized. This is a fine example of what I call village idiot logic.

This is just another attempt to explain something which cannot be explained.

Four things need to happen for a murder or homicide to take place:

1. A creative process involving the examination of methods in carrying it out, the inspiration, conception of the event, and bringing together all what is necessary to carry out the murder.

2. You need an answer to the question 'why', a reason, a motive.

3. You need a victim, or victims, including reasoning which identifies them as a victim together with the justification.

4. You need the will or determination to go through the entire process of making the choices and decisions and then effectively carrying them out.

These four things can be highly individual. This is why the police and the courts spend a lot of time trying to determine that all four of these things have taken place in an unlawful killing.

But when it comes to working out who is a murderer and why, I contend that it is these four factors above which are far more important than anyone's identity.



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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 6:42:10 AM   
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Wasn't there a 'black' serial killer stalking the streets of Atlanta a number of years ago ? His name escapes me.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 6:43:46 AM   
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Wayne Williams was the name. Murdered 21 innocent children.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 6:47:12 AM   
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Do drug enforcers count as mass murderers? You know, those Chris n Snoop sorta sociopaths who plant bodies en masse for criminal organizations...or does the fact that they do it for profit/business taint their work and separate them out from the purists who do it for fun and for free?

Cuz if they count, that's gonna change those stats a wee bit...

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 7:40:10 AM   
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Anthony Sowell : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Sowell

Jake Bird: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Bird

Andre Crawford: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Crawford

Lorenzo Gilyard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo_Gilyard

Cleophus Prince: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleophus_Prince_Jr

Wayne Williams: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Williams

Colin Ferguson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferguson_(mass_murderer)

Christopher Donovan: http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=3073

Matthew Macon: http://www.murderpedia.org/male.M/m/macon-matthew-photos.htm

Mark Goudeau: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseline_Killer

Shall I continue? There are many, many, many more.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 8:32:33 AM   
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Well, I don't buy they argument that White males are more prone to commit mass murder because of a sense of ethnic entitlement, although that does in fact figure into quite a bit of hate crime, pretty much axiomatically - mass murder is a technically different however, like serial killing the targets are relatively non-specific, i.e., they don't harbor a grudge against one person in particular, but choose victims they aren't personal acquainted with (Columbine is an exception, the killers were casually acquainted with their victims, but on the surface at least, their anger appeared to be directed at a class, "jocks", though in the end, it still looks more like thrill killing than any act of retribution).

Anyway, a cultural argument can still be made, and in fact the fact that in other cultures, it affects other demographics strengthens the argument somewhat, rather than diminishing it, re: the Arab or Czech women mentioned by Aswad, i.e., there is something in these cultures that make mass murder seem like the thing to do under certain conditions, or these particular demographic groups.

One of the commentators in the the original article noted:

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I think if we delve deeper the "privilege" falls away. Charles Whitman came from a privileged background, but he was beaten by his father. The shooter in Montreal in 1989 was also from an abusive background.

I don't know why predominantly (but not exclusively) white males choose to do this, but there is almost always underlying abuse.


- which is entirely possible, but mainly, it illustrate the point that there are many other possible factors that the author does not consider, a history of abuse or neglect being one of those potential factors - a desire for notoriety is not uncommon in these people they get attention - in other cases, it might be as simple as neurotoxins, heavy metals, which can cause compulsive violent behavior - the McDonald's guy back in he Eighties was a welder and had been poisoned by Molybdenum - lead levels tend to be high in inner cities, where decades of automobile exhaust have deposited lead on every surface, which might contribute to gang violence.

I think entitlement is probably more commonly a factor in serial killers, who are often less motivated by a need for public attention, and many of whom operate for years undetected, they enjoy having power over people in much more personal and intimate way.

Lot like doms, huh? Lol.

I think the valid point that was made in the article, is our propensity to attribute cultural motives to non-White mass murderers and/or serial killers, but we avoid doing that with whites - fundamental attribution error, essentially, which is indeed often the case.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 9:14:48 AM   
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If you Google the author of that article, it provides quite the interesting read.

As for the white entitlement thing causing folks to go on murder sprees, anything I said addressing that would get me a gold letter, and I am doing all I can to reduce the workload of our wonderful moderation staff!

Back when Wayne Williams was arrested, I will admit to us using "That shit is Wayne Williams man", instead of "That's some killer shit man", when referring to some of the great weed that was going around the Atlanta area at the time.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 10:20:11 AM   
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My goodness:

http://arewomenhuman.me/2012/02/21/on-hugo-schwyzer-accountability-not-silencing-dissent/

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/02/exile-in-gal-ville-how-a-male-feminist-alienated-his-supporters/252915/

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 10:32:26 AM   
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I'd question that somebody who's taken a gun into the place of work that just fired them feels terribly priveleged or entitled: look up "loser" in a dictionary, and you'll see a picture of Fred Cowan.

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RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men - 7/26/2012 10:58:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

My goodness:

http://arewomenhuman.me/2012/02/21/on-hugo-schwyzer-accountability-not-silencing-dissent/

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/02/exile-in-gal-ville-how-a-male-feminist-alienated-his-supporters/252915/

Yeah, one charming motherfucker aint he?

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