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DomKen -> Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 9:30:05 AM)

A column in the once revered Wall Street Journal claims the Internet was not a product of the federal governments research and funding.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444464304577539063008406518.html

The author is so technologically clueless or such an immense liar he conflates ethernet, a technology for connecting individual computers, with the Internet, a specific network of networked computers.

It was so stupendously wrong that multiple debunkings appeared within hours of the original posting.
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/07/who_invented_the_internet_the_outrageous_conservative_claim_that_every_tech_innovation_came_from_private_enterprise_.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/23/news/la-mo-who-invented-internet-20120723
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/the-republican-misinformation-machine-tackles-the-internet/2012/07/25/gJQA8W068W_blog.html

The reason for this excursion into alternative reality? The President pointed out that any company that relies on the Internet is relying on the product of the federal government's spending.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 9:41:17 AM)

If the Texas GOP has their way with not wanting to teach critical thinking skills, we're well on our way.




Moonhead -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 10:24:31 AM)

That's like holocaust denial, though: they have to wait for the old farts who formed their opinions before the rules were changed to die off so that they'll shut up first.
(The Holocaust deniers have obviously won that fight already, but they'll be waiting a couple of generations before the fact deniers in Texas have nobody left to tell their brainwashed children things they're not meant to hear...)




kalikshama -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 10:33:39 AM)

The Republican misinformation machine tackles the Internet

By Jonathan Bernstein

Want to know about how information, influence and political parties work right now in the United States? Especially, that is, how information is transmitted within the Republican Party? Yes, you do? Then here’s a story worth your attention.

There’s been a fight over the past couple of days about who invented the Internet, played out, of course, on the Internet. It started when Barack Obama mentioned the government’s role in the history of the Internet in his “didn’t build that” speech, which produced a Wall Street Journal column by Gordon Crovitz claiming that, in fact, private business was alone responsible for the creation of the Internet. Which, in turn, produced multiple debunking articles, such as Farhad Manjoo’s “Obama Was Right: The Government Invented the Internet.”

Now, I’m not a tech geek, so I can only go by careful reading to assess who seems to be correct about the actual facts of this, but as far as I can tell it’s the Manjoo side, and it isn’t close. Note that, for example, another debunking piece by an author whom the WSJ column cited; if those you claim support you say you’re wrong, odds are you might be wrong. See too an AEI post saying that Crovitz got it wrong.

Unless you’re a tech geek, why should you care about any of this?

Because we know how this story ends.

I’m confident that the Crovitz argument will be fully accepted within the conservative mainstream as, basically, a proven fact. Oh, you’ll be able to find honest conservatives (kudos to AEI!) who won’t join in, but Crovitz’s argument will turn up on Hannity, or Rush Limbaugh, or any number of conservative blogs. Republican politicians will repeat it as fact. And rank-and-file Republicans, even perfectly well-intentioned Republicans, will wind up believing it, because most of their information comes from Republican-aligned media.

(Yes, there are myths on the Democratic side, too. No, they are not nearly equivalent, neither in numbers, resistance to factual correction, widespread acceptance or methods of transmission. See, too, Kevin Drum’s comment: “Can you imagine a liberal writing a column claiming that private industry played virtually no role in the development of the internet?I can’t”).

So “the government had nothing to do with the construction of the internet” will join all the other junk out there, along with how Franklin Roosevelt made the Depression worse or how Iraqi weapons were found by American troops or how climate change was a deliberate hoax by scientists or how the United States Constitution was primarily intended to restrict the federal government.

And there’s really nothing that anyone outside of that information loop can do about it. Until and unless leading Republicans decide that it’s not in their interest for their constituents to be massively misinformed, it’s going to continue. And half the time, leading Republicans — who probably get a fair amount of their own information from those sources — won’t know the difference.




servantforuse -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 10:35:29 AM)

The WSJ is wrong. Everyone knows that Al Gore invented the internet.




Lucylastic -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 10:43:51 AM)

oh ggod gawd, I had a feeling that was going to HAVE be posted, and we all know that it isnt true... no matter what he may have said...




kalikshama -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 10:45:46 AM)

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp




kalikshama -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 10:50:10 AM)

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Moonhead -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 10:52:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The WSJ is wrong. Everyone knows that Al Gore invented the internet.

And global warming and peanuts.
Or was it Jimmy Carter who invented peanuts?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 10:56:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The WSJ is wrong. Everyone knows that Al Gore invented the internet.

And global warming and peanuts.
Or was it Jimmy Carter who invented peanuts?

Silly, Everyone knows that George Washington Carver invented peanuts.




MrRodgers -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 10:58:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The WSJ is wrong. Everyone knows that Al Gore invented the internet.

Well, we know this only because it was and has been the repubs that have and always have said so...Gore never said it.




subrob1967 -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 12:01:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well, we know this only because it was and has been the repubs that have and always have said so...Gore never said it.


And Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her back porch either, but that didn't stop your side from running with that ball, did it?

Gore said that he voted for the legislation that helped create the internet. Palin said that there were parts of Alaska that one could see Russia from, on a clear day.

Both were true statements first changed, then blown way out of proportion for the hyperbole value.





Moonhead -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 12:03:54 PM)

You'll be cancelling your subscription to Fox then, will you?
That seems a good way to get hyperbole out of your life.




kalikshama -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 12:07:46 PM)

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And Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her back porch either, but that didn't stop your side from running with that ball, did it?


Did they? Or was that just Tina Fey?




subrob1967 -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 12:12:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
Did they? Or was that just Tina Fey?



So you're trying to say nobody on the left used Tina's skit to make fun of Sarah? Talk about revisionism...




Moonhead -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 12:16:46 PM)

Okay, I'll talk about revisionism:
When did Ronnie Reagan become the man who saved your country from the USSR singlehanded, rather than the idiot who increased spending hugely while cutting tax revenues?




Lucylastic -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 12:18:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama
Did they? Or was that just Tina Fey?



So you're trying to say nobody on the left used Tina's skit to make fun of Sarah? Talk about revisionism...

the media said it was tina fey...
we are discussing media as per the OP




kalikshama -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 1:22:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama
Did they? Or was that just Tina Fey?


So you're trying to say nobody on the left used Tina's skit to make fun of Sarah? Talk about revisionism...


The question marks mean I'm asking...a question.

I was aware that the "I can see Russia from my house!" comment was made by Tina Fey based on Sarah Palin's "you can actually see Russia, from land, here in Alaska."

I'm not aware that the media attributed the Fey comment to Palin.






Musicmystery -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 2:42:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama
Did they? Or was that just Tina Fey?



So you're trying to say nobody on the left used Tina's skit to make fun of Sarah? Talk about revisionism...

SNL is a comedy show.

Fox News shouldn't look like it.

Neither should the unforgivable edits I've seen from the other formerly news broadcasters.





mnottertail -> RE: Right wing revisionism reaches new low (7/26/2012 2:50:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama
Did they? Or was that just Tina Fey?



So you're trying to say nobody on the left used Tina's skit to make fun of Sarah? Talk about revisionism...

SNL is a comedy show.

Fox News shouldn't look like it.


But it does. 




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