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RE: Mental Illness - 7/28/2012 6:01:40 PM   
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You never expressed anything I mistakenly accused you of so doing, then.

Easily dropped here.

Thank you for your show of respect, and I should endeavor likewise.



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RE: Mental Illness - 7/28/2012 6:05:39 PM   
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RE: Mental Illness - 7/28/2012 6:16:36 PM   
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Online surveys like these are for entertainment only and have no statistical validity.


Thanks for the link I hadn't seen some of that before.

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All good and well that you choose to let the pharma companies determine what level of 'mental instability' requires medication or not. Half of the latest 'disorders du jour' are in fact brought to our awareness by the pharma companies.


I don't think hard data exists to answer the question I'm asking so I'm mostly inclined to ponder the hypotheses people are putting out and not expecting them to back them up with facts. This however is a very specific factual claim, I would like to see where that came from.

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RE: Mental Illness - 7/28/2012 6:49:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Please accept apologies for not providing a link, etc., but the issue of drug companies providing various maladies for which they have a cure (in the psychological realm, the most un-scientific department at any university or elsewhere) came to my awareness via magazines and books at the library, some years ago.

I just googled on "Ritalin" and came upon a plethora of nut-case "conspiracy theory" sites, etc. but there were a few honest account of things from the medical community somewhere in all that.

The internet is flooded with a great amount of disinformation these days, which is why I prefer a real library.

So then I'll just back off of such statement, since my own credibility should not be held in any higher regard than some other wanker or "punter" on the internet, no matter how much I get info from the uni classes, or from years at the library, or anything else that does not matter nowadays.

Millions of kids are on Ritalin, and a good many on other serotonin re-uptake inhibitor drugs.

Happy now?

Can you look that up for yourself, from an actual credible source (as opposed to some ideologically driven "hypothesis"), or do you need someone else to do it for you?





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RE: Mental Illness - 7/28/2012 7:10:36 PM   
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I chose the polar bears because they are unpredictable. Not as that being any assessment of someone I know on this forum, not at all.



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RE: Mental Illness - 7/28/2012 8:00:12 PM   
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The term "conspiracy" is used by the semi-literate, those who believe everything they are told, take anything the media says at face value, no questioning, as anything resembling thoughtful question is quite beyond them.

What a wonder!


Perhaps my literacy is at half-mast but here's the thing, the people you're talking to demonstrably don't believe everything they are told because they didn't believe you.

If you want skeptics and critical thinkers to take your claim seriously you will have to actually present evidence for it.

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RE: Mental Illness - 7/28/2012 9:30:08 PM   
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Whereas you, in the Orwellian-inspired OP and in following posts, covered your arse so well that neither you or anyone supporting your position have need to provide any evidence, and in the same stroke find your way to demanding that of others, if questioning the foundless ideologically based premise.

I take it that you have not read much of the thread, other than the last few posts.

I think that "half-mast" describes the effort here, such as it is, quite well.

As I clearly stated just prior, the load of information I get is/was from magazines, academic journals, and books from the public and university libraries.

I'm not going to bother to do a search on the ISBN nunbers on any of that if you are too lazy to do a simple search on how many drugs kids are forced to take, such drugs having only been tested on adults.

You are welcome to provide evidence contrary to anything I've said here.







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RE: Mental Illness - 7/29/2012 6:07:48 AM   
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that little f*&^%#$ is the one who has been eating my birds seeds
by the hand full!

I knew his face well!!! grrrr

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RE: Mental Illness - 7/29/2012 2:26:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've suffered from depression since the age of 6, but it wasn't diagnosed in someone as young as me back in the late 60's. For years it was situational, but about 12 yrs back it became chronic depression, along with severe anxiety and panic attacks. My mom didn't understand when it became chronic and thought I could just pull myself up by my bootstraps and other nonsense. Never did she understand that this wasn't something I couldn't just stop because she said I should.

I've been on different meds, and they need to be changed about every 2 yrs, I was also diagnosed last year with Bi-Polar disorder but of a lower order. I don't suffer the highs, but I sure as hell suffer the lows. My mind is always twisting and turning things into mountains, I can't shut my brain down either. So a lot of insomnia or I sleep all the time. If it wasn't for the meds, I'd be a mess. I know, I've had to be weaned off some meds before I can be put on another one. It's 4 to 6 weeks of hell.

And it's not easy to find someone who can deal with it, let alone a Dominant, who says he understands but then shows that he really doesn't when we start to get to know each other in person. That's a whole nuther ballgame lemme tell ya. I'm honest from the get go and let them know right away, even in my profile, that depression lives well inside me. I've never been ashamed of it, it's an illness only you can't "see" it like a broken leg or arm. Through these last years and since my mom passed 4 1/2 yrs ago, my dad has been my rock, my support. It bothers him that he can't do anymore for me but at least he tries his best to understand it.

It runs in both sides of the family, so I'm not the only one. There were suicides back on my mom's side of the family before and shortly after I was born, and on my dad's side I have a cousin who's had 4 serious suicide attempts. Luckily, she was saved every time by pure dumb luck. I'm glad she's still around, we're the same age, her mom (my aunt) understands very well what I'm going through. I am so ever grateful to the people who believe me and try their best to help me through some tough times.

I also have a good support system within the system now. It took 13 months to get a psychiatrist, but I have regular appts with a R.N. who sees me every 2 wks and a mental health counselor who sees me every week. There's nothing I can't tell them, and they've done good by me. I'm thankful there's help to be had even though it's hard to come by in this area.

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RE: Mental Illness - 7/29/2012 2:44:44 PM   
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And it's not easy to find someone who can deal with it, let alone a Dominant, who says he understands but then shows that he really doesn't when we start to get to know each other in person.


Yup. That was always a challenge for me. I admit even with Master it has been at times. When we met he never said he understood it completely. He said he understood certain parts but over the years as I have gotten to know him better, I'm very aware that he really doesn't understand the depth. But I also don't expect him to. He stands by me though and holds my hand and does his best to just help me to deal with it instead of putting me down or making me feel worse for having the problem. For that I'm very grateful.

He's the only one who has really stood by me through it all. My mother would always say "just get over it" and my sisters would say "what do you have to be depressed about?" and even though they have their own anxiety problems, they still don't seem to grasp the darkness of chronic depression. It's to the point that I no longer even talk about it with them or ask them for help.

Dealing in the way we do is beyond difficult.


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RE: Mental Illness - 7/29/2012 2:50:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		My family definitely doesnt understand. My mother is actually severely depressed herself, but would never admit to such a thing BECAUSE SHE IS FINE NOT CRAZY. Which is a charming little window into how she sees me :/

My faux nephew is dealing with it now, poor kid, and I wish I could step in and help, he really needs some coping skills. Meh. Whatever doesn't kill us makes us stronger, right?

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RE: Mental Illness - 7/29/2012 2:50:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know that someone saying they understand completely is asking for a lot. You're lucky LW to have him stand by you and hold your hand or do his best when tough times arise.

That's all I ask for from people. You don't have to understand what I have, or pretend you know what I go through. That's impossible unless you run into someone who has what you do, then they really know. I'm just looking for someone who'll help me through the tough times and won't put me down. That's got to be the worst. You're already down and undone by what's going on, I don't want someone who's going to drive me into that pit even further. I can manage to do that all by myself. I'm hardest on myself and I know it.

You're POV is great and I thank you for taking the time to write that post. {{{{{HUGS}}}}} to you and yours.

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RE: Mental Illness - 7/29/2012 3:02:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anytime. I like sharing my thoughts on this topic because very very few understand this, even some people who say they are depressed. From those type they usually will say something like "but after a few hours of sleep and getting out a bit, I'm fine"....eeerr...that's the blues, not chronic depression. I've even had psychologists and psychiatrists who would tell me things like "have you tried accupuncture?" or "how about doing this or that kind of job?"....seriously? LOL

I think more people need to really learn what it is and how they can help someone with it even though they will never really understand it.

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RE: Mental Illness - 7/29/2012 3:06:33 PM   
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Anytime. I like sharing my thoughts on this topic because very very few understand this, even some people who say they are depressed. From those type they usually will say something like "but after a few hours of sleep and getting out a bit, I'm fine"....eeerr...that's the blues, not chronic depression. I've even had psychologists and psychiatrists who would tell me things like "have you tried accupuncture?" or "how about doing this or that kind of job?"....seriously? LOL

I think more people need to really learn what it is and how they can help someone with it even though they will never really understand it.

I like sharing too, there's still a stigma attached to it by some people. The more who know about it, the less of a hard time all of us will have. I used to have a psychiatrist I'd get into literal yelling matches with. I'd try to tell him something, he wouldn't let me finish. Before you knew it I'd be having to yell louder than him so that I could get my point across. It was the first psychiatrist I'd seen on a regular basis and I had absolutely no trust in them after that. I've finally found one now who listens and hears what I have to say and I'm getting almost an hour's worth of time. Not just the 10 minutes, fill in the scrip and leave.

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RE: Mental Illness - 7/29/2012 3:20:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		[My] Master understands and accepts my depression as being something real, better than I do.
He never blames me for bad brain chemistry, but won't allow me to sink beneath either.

Last summer I thought I had found the Holy Grail in meds. My shrink type person added zoloft ("just a pinch") to the Wellbutrin I am on. And I felt "brighter". Sad things were going on around me: terminal illness and the death of a much beloved kitty, but while I was sad, it was different from feeling "depressed".

And then she dropped the Wellbutrin, just a little... and even when she put it back up, the brightness was gone.

So this year she has raised the Zoloft just a little (and I am having sexual side effects which I hate).
I feel better, but not what I felt a year ago.


I am holding my own, and much of that is due to a wonderful therapist who has paired me with a professional organiser.
I wish I could feel bright and bonny again but this for now, is manageable.

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RE: Mental Illness - 7/29/2012 3:58:37 PM   
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So this year she has raised the Zoloft just a little (and I am having sexual side effects which I hate).


Ya, during the (brief) time I took Zoloft I completely lost the ability to orgasm >_<

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RE: Mental Illness - 7/29/2012 3:58:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sometimes Angelika, it's worth it to find ourselves in a manageable state and holding our own than to go down to what I call my "dark hole". I never want to sink that deep again, it scares me that I won't be able to climb out of it. But for now, it's not that deep, thanks to the wonderful help I've found with a R.N. who's easy to talk to and I can be open with. She's learning all about D/s. It's new to her.

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RE: Mental Illness - 7/29/2012 4:26:03 PM   
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I think it's a bit anecdotal OP. but, after years of being on internet discussion boards, i have noticed that they can be a magnet for some "more than average" screwed up people. i believe this is because they've learned that most people simply won't put up with their shit IRL. they try to sanitize just how sick it is by calling it snark.

example: imagine attending a social event, and having some jackass literally follow you around the event, chiming in with childish barbs.

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RE: Mental Illness - 7/29/2012 8:01:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I take celexa and wellbutrin and I really haven't had any problems. It doesn't make my depression disappear, it just makes it manageable and keeps me from having what my doc calls the dangerous dark thoughts. Thankfully I haven't had the sexual side effects.

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RE: Mental Illness - 7/30/2012 6:50:26 AM   
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example: imagine attending a social event, and having some jackass literally follow you around the event, chiming in with childish barbs.


That's against TOS here and I would likely report someone for stalking who did this to me.

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