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Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 11:07:08 AM   
HappyMinion


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Hello all,

Firstly I want to thank everyone for the wonderful input I often get from these forums :)

A while back I offered myself to my Mistress and ask that I be taken into complete ownership. She gracefully accepted my offer and we have been enjoying a relationship where she is in control ever since. However we have come across a few things where accpeting my new role causes her some concearns. For instance she and I don't enjoy the same music... I have now sacrificed my preference for hers (tough but worth it for her) :)

However, now we have discussed other areas like politics, religion, why even the TV shows we watch?

My question is how do Dommes feel about this level of control...?

Thank you,
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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 11:14:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HappyMinion

Hello all,

Firstly I want to thank everyone for the wonderful input I often get from these forums :)

A while back I offered myself to my Mistress and ask that I be taken into complete ownership. She gracefully accepted my offer and we have been enjoying a relationship where she is in control ever since. However we have come across a few things where accpeting my new role causes her some concearns. For instance she and I don't enjoy the same music... I have now sacrificed my preference for hers (tough but worth it for her) :)

However, now we have discussed other areas like politics, religion, why even the TV shows we watch?

My question is how do Dommes feel about this level of control...?

Thank you,
robby.


I'm not a dominant but I can say yup those are what we call "life limits" and since I'm not a slave I maintain alot of these as opposed to "play limits" but yes most dominants take control of even the TV...

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 11:18:13 AM   
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robby, I expect that you will get a different answer from everyone that replies. For myself I do not expect nor do I want someone that is a carbon copy of myself. I enjoy an independent thinker, someone I can have stimulating conversations with, someone that can perhaps teach me new things.
That being said I do not want to sit thru a Clint Eastwood movie or a baseball game when I sit down to watch tv either. That is why I believe in having more than one room in a house with more than one television in the house. If I am in close confines the music that will be playing will definately be something I enjoy, pretty easy since I like most music. If not, that is what head phones are for. However, it all depends on your mistress and what she determines the rule of her house are.

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 11:49:08 AM   
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Hmmm Thank you...

Well I "suppose" what I am thinking is... I wanted to make the gesture and show my "full" commitment to my Mistress. I am sure I will never be a carbon copy, her legs are much better looking (ha, ha)... It's just I want her to know that she has the final choice of things if I say I am going to be her slave... The "TV" and the "Radio" aren't too bad... but she for instance has asked me to read books that she enjoys that I don't like.. But I still obey and read the books...


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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 11:51:28 AM   
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Now see, I would definately demand you follow thru on the books simply because if I asked you to read them I would have a good reason for it. Something I felt important.

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 11:56:45 AM   
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Hmmm...

Well I suppose that my view is this... I said I would become her property and her "slave" which I take seriously... My dedication is my gift, and I am working hard to serve her well..
Everyday I make dozens of little decisions, which I am glad she know controls for me... Where or if i get a morning coffee, what we have for dinner... So I just feel like I don't get to choose when I will obey or not just because it is a more important life choice or belief...


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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 12:06:06 PM   
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Certain things are very important to Me, regarding like-mindedness.
For example, I would not take a boy as a primary slave if he abhorred theater.  Live theater, that is.  I like to attend, and I also work with a theater group.  I would want to share this. 
I also do not wish to sit and watch a ball game or certain movies.  If the evening plans are for a massage while I watch a movie, it will the chick movie I will enjoy.  If we are in the car it is the radio station or CD I prefer to hear.
Books are a big thing for Me.  Although I would not force a boy to read authors that bore him, if there is a book with information, education or a particular theme I want to share, I would expect that directive to be obeyed.
But we all must have a certain amount of separateness.  As long as it doesn't disturb Me, and the other matters I need and want have been attended, there is always (and should be) space to enjoy individual pursuits.

**Edited to add:  So it is less important to feel you are giving up, as much as you are willing to compromise, and the Domina is flexible enough to allow you the leisure time activities that will feed your soul.  Soul food is important.  How much soul food is necessary is up for debate within each relationship.

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 12:31:55 PM   
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Rather than asking someone to give up his interests for me, I try and take the time to get to know someone well enough to see that we have a great deal of overlap in those areas that are important to me and my household.

Wanting my slave to go to movies I want to see and watch tv with me is one thing, telling him that he can't see movies, tv shows, read books or other things he likes that I don't seems a bit petty to me. I mean, I don't chose folks I don't like and I think asking him to give up things he likes suggests he must change.

I'd rather he had new experiences and learned to like things I do on his own if he didn't like them to begin with. I want a slave who can expand with me not fold under me. Does this make sense?

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 12:47:26 PM   
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Dusty and Tammyjo said it much better than I was attempting to.

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 4:55:01 PM   
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I have owned subs in the past with radically different political views, and W/we agreed to disagree.  Most of the time I just state that I do not care for political discussions and leave it at that.

However, when their boy (the one THEY elected into office that I did NOT vote for) says or does something not to My liking (which is fairly often), I have been known to take it out on a sub who voted for him. 

Likewise, I leave religion pretty much alone.  I think that a submissive's spirituality is something a Dom/me can't ever really own.  Some of My past subs  have belonged to religious denominations that IMO have discriminatory attitudes toward Women.  Nonetheless, I did not interfere with their religious practices (prayer, going to church or temple, eating restrictions, etc.)  The main thing was that they treated Me like a Queen, and that's what was important to Me. 

As far as TV viewing goes, when a sub is with Me, W/we watch what I want to watch.  However, when W/we are not together, he can watch what he wants, as long as it does not interfere with his completion of the duties I assign to him.

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 6:06:45 PM   
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Greetings,

Control is pretty strict in regards to my Household, but then again I tell them that this will be the case when they first apply. Everything is limited and somewhat controlled but there are still ways for individuality to shine and for those who I own to persue *some* of their own interests. This could include book rentals from the library, various individuals in my household getting to take turns choosing movies or videos, and of course individual chances for explorations of arts and crafts during off times. But first and foremost, the most central theme will always be that they are owned and I am the Owner, and they would not have it any other way. Of course before one lives in my house they still have various restrictions, but they still have ways to make some of their own social decisions. (Example -- they would not be permitted to watch TV 4 hours a night, but might get to choose WHAT they watch when they do).

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 6:18:44 PM   
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NO!!!

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 8:20:47 PM   
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As far as TV viewing goes, when a sub is with Me, W/we watch what I want to watch.  However, when W/we are not together, he can watch what he wants, as long as it does not interfere with his completion of the duties I assign to him.


Live I watch what I want. I will however allow Tivo of his programs for viewing at a later time. As far as sitting through sports...not bloody likely!!

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/9/2006 8:33:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HappyMinion

Hello all,

Firstly I want to thank everyone for the wonderful input I often get from these forums :)

A while back I offered myself to my Mistress and ask that I be taken into complete ownership. She gracefully accepted my offer and we have been enjoying a relationship where she is in control ever since. However we have come across a few things where accpeting my new role causes her some concearns. For instance she and I don't enjoy the same music... I have now sacrificed my preference for hers (tough but worth it for her) :)

However, now we have discussed other areas like politics, religion, why even the TV shows we watch?

My question is how do Dommes feel about this level of control...?

Thank you,
robby.


this is not a question of whether any one of us would want this type of control, ask for this or require this from our sub/slaves or how we feel about this type of control

you offered it
she accepted it
you have to live with it

or you walk away

So why is she having concerns with it?

I for one feel a negotiated dynamic has a much better chance for long term survival than the black/white option... but hey... that's just me

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/10/2006 1:58:19 AM   
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NO!!!
Well OK, there's your answer on what mistresses should be allowed!  Tha Man has spoken!
        Too funny.

Seriously though, to the OP, TammyJo and GoddessDustyGold (and perhaps others I haven't read) have pretty much covered my sentiments on the matter.  Hopefully you found someone with whom your interests overlap some, so that your being her slave doesn't become a burden only you bear, because I don't think that would work long term anyway.   Yes obey, but have conversations about what makes you content as a human being and how that can be incorporated into your lives.
Good luck,   M

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/10/2006 2:06:27 AM   
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When you give yourself over to another with "complete control", the keyword is complete. It is up to your Owner as to what you can and cannot do. Some Mistresses like to micromanage everything that you do and some do not.
Personally I want him to do his domestic chores, handle his own finances (if he is capable), satisify me completely and with his free time he can do whatever he wants as long as its within the rules of my house. If I give him a book to read he should read it, because not to do so would displease me and he doesn't want me displeased. You know the saying "If Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody going to be happy." Well insert the word "Mistress" for Mama.
On my TV I'm going to watch what I want to watch, if he wants to watch something else he can go to his room and do so as long as it doesnt interfere with our cuddling time. NOTHING intereferes with cuddling time. He likes rap, I hate it. When we are together he cannot listen to rap, but what he listens to on his own time, I could care less.
Each house has its own rules and when you agree to join them you have to abide by them or leave, its as simple as that.

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/10/2006 2:33:07 AM   
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Greetings,
Again my view only but i would like to think that Once You have established a bond of trust in a Domme and given Her Your submission, The Mistress should have the total control and authority to decide All within Her realm. By placing All your trust in Your Mistress to keep you out of harms way, then the Mistress would be comfortable and responsible in a good way.

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/10/2006 8:17:47 AM   
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I’m curious if you two are living together.
I can give a few examples of how I worked these things out with my most recent boy.
I’ll be honest in saying up front that I expected him to compromise more than I. That was just par for the course in my D/s relationships. However, I didn’t expect him to give up everything that made him…. him.

He liked heavy rap music. I’m more an ambient lover. Around my house, it was more ambient. In his car (and we both usually rode in his car) it was more rap. I usually made it through about a song and a half with him jamming to really loud rap music. Then I would turn it down so we could talk. On longer trips, he had a few mix tapes with music we both liked, or we would listen to a few songs on his CD and then a lot of songs on mine.

As for TV, we enjoyed a lot of the same shows. I’m big into crime-drama and cartoons. He liked watching the news. If he totally couldn't stand what I was watching, he would go to the bedroom and watch TV. There were times when I’d take the remote from him. I really didn’t care what we were watching, but I couldn’t stand the channel surfing.

As for politics, he was an avid right-wing Republican. I am a firm fence sitter.
In religion, he was Catholic, and I’m more Native American Spiritualist oriented.
It made for interesting conversations about current events and social problems.
We would occasionally joke and razz each other. "Oh well, you know how those bleeding hearts are." or "Weren’t we nice for giving the Indians some of our land." or "Honey, I told you to stick to Protestants and Pagans." – all said with a wink and a smile. We always knew the other was kidding.
I would have never expected him to vote at the polls for anything other than what he believed in. I invited him to my firesides (which he declined), but never told him he had to convert or give up his own religion.

I do have some strict rules that I refuse to bend on. Like, no one shall play country music near me lest they be bludgeoned to death with a banjo. I’m not about to miss Monday night RAW on TV so that my submissive can watch something else. My son and I have been watching wrestling together for many many years and it’s become a ‘family night’ of sorts for us. I can only think of one incident where the D/s was put on the line. He had a Republican dinner to attend and wanted to remove his collar to attend it. I feel very strongly about this and told him that if the collar came off for the dinner, it stayed off for good.

Overall, I don’t want my submissives to be me. I want them to be themselves and serve me. Converting to my religion or political party doesn’t show me commitment. It comes across like jello looking for a mold. Now if after 5 years together, a sub has slowly learned about my religion and has begun embracing it because it’s something they truly believe in on a personal level, I’m happy to find them an elder. But I personally wouldn’t be their elder. It would seem like a conflict of interest or something.

I don’t want a submissive who expects me to make all of their decisions for them under the guise of commitment and trust. I would bore quickly with "What do you want me to wear? What do you want me to eat? What do you want me to watch? What do you want me to read? What do you want me to think? What do you want me to be?"

More important than being like me, or agreeing with me, is knowing me. If I say "Run me a bath, with lights and music." I want him/her to know that I want bubbles, and ambient music, and candle light. If we’re packing for a trip, I want my sub to automatically grab some of my music to listen to along the way. You don’t have to live my doctrine, but remind me that I have a fireside coming up that week. You don’t have to enjoy cross-stitching, but a new X-stitch kit is a nice gift for me. Don’t take my medications, but bring me mine. You don’t have to smoke, but light my cigarettes for me.
You don’t have to drink coffee, but serve me mine in the morning the way I like it.


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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/10/2006 8:37:03 AM   
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So why is she having concerns with it?

I think it's a matter of the extra time and effort that goes into micromanagement on the level he's asked for. My last boy had the idea initially that I needed to pick his clothes, food, music and tv too. A couple times of me leaving the room while he was watching wrestling and flat out changing the channel he got annoyed and it lead to the conversation of the management duties that I actually desired.
To me delegation is one of the main benefits of a sub, when they are trying to delegate things to me that they should be able to handle (showering, dressing from their own closet day to day [I remove offending items from the closet], designated grooming/ waxing on a regular basis) to me it gets tedious. I want to know that things have been straightened in the house while I was gone, that dinner preparations have begun and that they paid attention when I listed likes and issues the first time.
The idea of coming home and finding my boy at the door with the first issue to deal with of mistress what should I eat, mistress what should I wear, mistress may I please pee now...I have poodles that are capable of handling these types of things by themselves (even picking their own sweaters & leashes) I expect no less from my boys.  

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RE: Should Mistress decide all... - 6/10/2006 9:03:33 AM   
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As always, Proprietrix summed things up nicely.  I agree. I would most definitely not get along in a D/s relationship with a clone of me.  What attracts me to a submissive is that in so many ways, he is nothing like me... yet there are enough common interests to enjoy together to make things work.

I view the submissive as being the one to have to forgo more 'rights'.  It's the nature of the relationship.  However, I do not want to make him 'me' when I was attracted to 'him' for a reason.  I often want things my way, but 'my way' does not always mean 'not his way'.  With my former submissive, things lead to my making many day to day decisions regarding his clothing, sleeping positions, food, etc. It lead to this as it was right for both of us.  Communication was always open.

I learned to appreciate wine, enjoy certain books, movies, music, food, and bdsm activities from a submissive.  I learned to hate certain TV shows as well..  Country music, nascar, and wrestling (sorry Proprietrix) are banned with me... so at any time, those activities will have to be enjoyed outside of my presence.  One male I was seeing gave up wrestling (entirely) on his own, after learning of my dislike for it,  which I thought was a very sweet gesture, but if he gave up everything he enjoyed, that wouldn't have worked.  I love it when I am interested in something, and he makes an effort to learn what he can about it.  I find myself doing the same regarding many of his interests.  My submissive doesn't have to be me, or love everything I love, but he should accept every part of me, and do the things he does for me in the way he knows I like it. 


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