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The temperatures are rising globally because black bears are shifting north! When they get on the ice fields, sunlight is no longer reflected into space by the ice, but instead it is being absorbed by the black bears. This causes the air around the black bears to heat up, which in turn melts the nearby ice.

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So the fact that the evidence is overwhelming in favor of AGW means there is no AGW? Are you really trying to argue that?

It seems there is controversy within the Scientific Community . . . however much the alarmists proclaim the "science is settled." Ask Dr Curry if you are interested.

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The temperatures are rising globally because black bears are shifting north! When they get on the ice fields, sunlight is no longer reflected into space by the ice, but instead it is being absorbed by the black bears. This causes the air around the black bears to heat up, which in turn melts the nearby ice.

Wouldn't the hot air from the warm bears just rise, leaving the ice below them chilled?

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In this case the data is in, the planet is warming and its happening quite quickly. The only viable culprit is anthrogenic CO2.

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If someone was reaching the correct conclusion because of an incorrect hypothysis, that has little bearing on whether the resulting truth of the end conclusion, that man made global warming is in fact the largest confidence game pulled off in the history of the world! It's being used to seize control of vast portions of the economies of virtually every industrialized nation, and woe be to the one who DARES to point out the Emperor has no clothes! Take a deep breath, get a grip, and try not to be quite so impressed with yourself.

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To my mind, this is where the case against AGW collapses completely. The idea that almost all climate scientists are engaged in some sinister conspiracy to "re-distribute wealth", or to "seize control of vast portions of the economies of virtually every industrialized nation" is so far-fetched it invites ridicule. To date, no evidence of any sort has been advanced to support this claim.

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We will be totally self sufficient energywise and those people in the mid east who have been buttfucking us over an oil barrel for the last 60 or so years can go back to eating dirt and rocks and happily slaughtering each other as they have for centuries.

While I agree with you on the need for self-sufficiency I wonder if you don't give too much concern to the MidEast. Don't we get the greatest amount of our oil from Canada and Mexico? And weren't we net exporters this past year? Just askin . . .

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The temperatures are rising globally because black bears are shifting north! When they get on the ice fields, sunlight is no longer reflected into space by the ice, but instead it is being absorbed by the black bears. This causes the air around the black bears to heat up, which in turn melts the nearby ice.

Wouldn't the hot air from the warm bears just rise, leaving the ice below them chilled?

That may very well be the case. It all depends on whether there is wind or no wind and in the latter case on how the microcirculation of the air is directed.

Since this hypothesis may be crucial to our understanding of global heating, it is imperative that several independent experiments using fake black bears on the polar ice are conducted.

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If someone was reaching the correct conclusion because of an incorrect hypothysis, that has little bearing on whether the resulting truth of the end conclusion, that man made global warming is in fact the largest confidence game pulled off in the history of the world! It's being used to seize control of vast portions of the economies of virtually every industrialized nation, and woe be to the one who DARES to point out the Emperor has no clothes! Take a deep breath, get a grip, and try not to be quite so impressed with yourself.

To my mind, this is where the case against AGW collapses completely. The idea that almost all climate scientists are engaged in some sinister conspiracy to "re-distribute wealth", or to "seize control of vast portions of the economies of virtually every industrialized nation" is so far-fetched it invites ridicule. To date, no evidence of any sort has been advanced to support this claim.

Advancing a conspiracy theory that directly contradicts the empirical data is the hallmark of nutcases. Unless climate change deniers can come up with a credible explanation of why almost all of the world's climate change scientists agree that human-caused climate change is a scientifically valid conclusion, they remain mired in the same muck as 'birthers' and the like.

As the evidence overwhelmingly supports the scientific consensus, this would appear to be a problem of insurmountable proportions for those arguing against human-caused global warming.

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But since black bears hibernate when the weather is cold, they would not be a significant factor in an arctic environment.

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Indeed we get more oil from Canada than anywhere else and our biggest export is petroleum.
Our problem is that the instabilities of the mideast are driving prices way out of proportion to their actual worth.
If we weren't dependent upon petroleum, then their power over our wallets as well as their importance on the world stage would totally disappear.

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Indeed we get more oil from Canada than anywhere else and our biggest export is petroleum.
Our problem is that the instabilities of the mideast are driving prices way out of proportion to their actual worth.
If we weren't dependent upon petroleum, then their power over our wallets as well as their importance on the world stage would totally disappear.

You make a good point but if we are net exporters than we are not so dependent, are we? And lets have a look at where the pricing occurs . . . in the speculative commodity exchange pits in Chicago and other places on a 10% margin. Maybe raising margins on the gamblers would put a drag on speculation and calm the costs, although I realize there are some such as airlines that must of necessity hedge with futures contracts. At any rate, it would be good to reduce the environmental pollution caused by deep sea drilling and such. A pipeline welder I met said to me "There is nothing I can make that Nature cannot break." There isn't a pipeline that hasn't fouled the land somewhere. Running a pipeline across the water reserves of Nebraska is madness imo. And the welder questioned the risky business of deep sea drilling since there are such great amounts of oil to be had in Canadian shale, although the drilling/fracking/cracking/whatever is devastating the land. The same to be said for shale harpooning in Pennsylvania and New York despite the TV propaganda of 'clean' drilling below the aquafers. It would be helpful if we could get past the age of petroleum, although there have been many benefits gained, and although I can't imagine how airlines and a powerful Military could function. Then maybe we shouldn't have so powerful a Military, hey?

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To my mind, this is where the case against AGW collapses completely. The idea that almost all climate scientists are engaged in some sinister conspiracy to "re-distribute wealth", or to "seize control of vast portions of the economies of virtually every industrialized nation" is so far-fetched it invites ridicule. To date, no evidence of any sort has been advanced to support this claim.

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Advancing a conspiracy theory that directly contradicts the empirical data is the hallmark of nutcases. Unless climate change deniers can come up with a credible explanation of why almost all of the world's climate change scientists agree that human-caused climate change is a scientifically valid conclusion, they remain mired in the same muck as 'birthers' and the like.

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If the civilized world doesn't need mideast oil, that volatility doesn't happen.

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Dr Curry is suggesting (my words) that the data may be based on a specious assumption that there is a linear causal relationship between CO2 and a dynamic, chaotic atmosphere/ocean climate machine.

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Dr Curry is suggesting (my words) that the data may be based on a specious assumption that there is a linear causal relationship between CO2 and a dynamic, chaotic atmosphere/ocean climate machine.

It certainly is your words becaus Curry woud know better. Muller made no such assumption. You even complained about it previously in this thread.

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I think we'll need petroleum for long distance transport but that's a tiny fraction of our use. Alternative energy would first affect the electricity markets. That demand drop alone would crash prices. There is the problem. Big Oil knows that. They spend a lot of money behind the scenes to convince the American people that alternative energy is a waste of time. Fusion will be practical. Solar is now practical and will become more efficient.

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Obvious – but wrong. Thanks in part to technologies like horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracking, we are entering a new age of abundant oil.