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Just0Plain0Mike -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/29/2012 6:51:24 PM)
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
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Secondly, where exactly do these 30-40% of unchecked gun sales take place?
Private sales, which include guns shows, for which I was unable to get stats, likely because gun show laws vary by state and it seems like privates sales in states like Texas are not required to be documented.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#Firearms_market
...only 60-70% of firearms sales in the United States are transacted through federally licensed firearm dealers, with the remainder taking place in the "secondary market", in which previously-owned firearms are transferred by non-dealers.[90][91] Most sales to youths and convicted felons take place through the secondary market.[92][93] Access to secondary markets is generally less convenient to purchasers, and involves such risks as the possibility of the gun having been used previously in a homicide or other crime.[94] Unlicensed private sellers were permitted by law to sell privately-owned guns at gun shows or at private locations in 24 states as of 1998.[95] Regulations that limit the number of handgun sales in the primary, regulated market to one handgun a month per customer have been shown to be effective at reducing illegal gun trafficking by reducing the supply into the secondary market.[96] Taxes on firearm purchases are another means for government to influence the primary market.[41]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_shows_in_the_United_States
In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) published the "Following the Gun" report.[18] The ATF analyzed more than 1,530 trafficking investigations over a two-and-a-half-year period and found gun shows to be the second leading source of illegally diverted guns in the nation. "Straw purchasing was the most common channel in trafficking investigations."[19] These investigations involved a total of 84,128 firearms that had been diverted from legal to illegal commerce. All told, the report identified more than 26,000 firearms that had been illegally trafficked through gun shows in 212 separate investigations. The report stated that: "A prior review of ATF gun show investigations shows that prohibited persons, such as convicted felons and juveniles, do personally buy firearms at gun shows and gun shows are sources of firearms that are trafficked to such prohibited persons. The gun show review found that firearms were diverted at and through gun shows by straw purchasers, unregulated private sellers, and licensed dealers. Felons were associated with selling or purchasing firearms in 46 percent of the gun show investigations. Firearms that were illegally diverted at or through gun shows were recovered in subsequent crimes, including homicide and robbery, in more than a third of the gun show investigations."
Umm, ok. You basically put up information that I already answered had you quoted the rest of my post.
Laws for gun shows may vary by state, but every one has to meet Federal guidelines. They can be stricter then the Federal laws, but they can't be laxer. It doesn't matter if it's Texas or New York.
Per Federal law, all handgun sales MUST go through a licensed FFL dealer. There is absolutely no wiggle room here. It's only long-arms that may be transferred without going through a dealer.
Everyone loves to talk about the evils of gun shows, but the whole "gun show loophole" is a myth. Yes, it makes it easier to meet and conduct a sale at a show. Many people walk around with rifles with For Sale signs on the muzzle. If you see one you like, you can buy it. It doesn't go through a background check, because Federal law doesn't require it. But you could do the same through an ad in the paper, on Craig's List, a bulletin board at the store, or any other place where one person is is looking to sell and another is looking to buy. There's nothing special about a sale being conducted at a show, other then convenience.
Now there's nothing stopping someone from selling a gun illegally, other then the risk of prison of course. So yes, a felon could get a gun through a straw buyer, but that's already illegal. So how would more legislation help? Doing a straw purchase is already a mandatory 10 year prison sentence. If you want to make the sentence longer, I'm all for it.
By the way, if someone sees you making an illegal sale at a show, you will be detained and the police called. Around here at least.
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