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Just0Plain0Mike -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/30/2012 3:04:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

Does this mean I can shoot the next Jehovah's Witness that knocks on my door?



Only if they present a copy of the Watch Tower in an antagonistic manner. [8|]




Moonhead -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/30/2012 4:28:39 PM)

How else do they ever present that thing?




subrob1967 -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/30/2012 4:36:18 PM)

Actually mike, in Indiana you don't need to run a check in a face to face sale of a pistol. I can walk next door and sell my neighbor a pistol without any background checks, or FFL involvement.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/30/2012 11:29:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

I think we are missing the IMPORTANT point here!

Does this mean I can shoot the next Jehovah's Witness that knocks on my door?



The Meat Salesmen are worst.

I'd almost have to call this justified homicide. [8D]

Firm




SilverMark -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/31/2012 2:18:31 AM)

LOL Firm, We just got done with a delivery to a restaraunt, and we have these steaks left!

Last time I had one come through I sent my son in law the undercover Detective(6'6 Tattoed up,beard, shaved head, looks like a biker) to answer the door, he growled a the guy, I am pretty sure that one won't be back!




papassion -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/31/2012 7:09:23 AM)


I just looked up "medical error statistics." It said in ONE decade, 8 million deaths were attributed to medical errors. It said that is more than the ALL the casualties of ALL the wars the US has ever fought in! And that is just one decade. Seems to me, hospitals are way more deadly than guns! Lets focus our energy on improving hospitals!




Musicmystery -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/31/2012 7:11:02 AM)

You mean..............

REGULATION??????????????

Like, by GOVERNMENT??????

Involved in HEALTH CARE?????

[sm=nervous.gif]




Lucylastic -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/31/2012 7:42:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: papassion


I just looked up "medical error statistics." It said in ONE decade, 8 million deaths were attributed to medical errors. It said that is more than the ALL the casualties of ALL the wars the US has ever fought in! And that is just one decade. Seems to me, hospitals are way more deadly than guns! Lets focus our energy on improving hospitals!

http://www.justice.org/cps/rde/justice/hs.xsl/8677.htm

Course, you dooooo have a source for that dont you??? because according to the American Association of Justice
your numbers are off, by ooooh quite a bit
http://www.justice.org/cps/rde/justice/hs.xsl/8677.htm

Preventable medical errors kill and seriously injure hundreds of thousands of Americans every year. Any discussion of medical negligence that does not involve preventable medical errors ignores this fundamental problem. And while some interested parties would prefer to focus on doctors’ insurance premiums, health care costs, or alternative compensation systems—anything other than the negligence itself—reducing medical errors is the best way to address all the related problems. Preventing medical errors will lower health care costs, reduce doctors’ insurance premiums, and protect the health and well-being of patients.



The Institute of Medicine’s (IOM) seminal study of preventable medical errors estimated as many as 98,000 people die every year at a cost of $29 billion. If the Centers for Disease Control were to include preventable medical errors as a category, these conclusions would make it the sixth leading cause of death in America.

Further research has confirmed the extent of medical errors. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) found that there were 181,000 severe injuries attributable to medical negligence in 2003. The Institute for Healthcare Improvement estimates there are 15 million incidents of medical harm each year. HealthGrades, the nation’s leading healthcare rating organization, found that Medicare patients who experienced a patient-safety incident had a one-in-five chance of dying as a result.

In the decade since the IOM first shined a light on the dismal state of patient safety in American hospitals, many proposals for improvement have been discussed and implemented. But recent research indicates that there is still much that needs to be done. Researchers at the Harvard School of Medicine have found that even today, about 18 percent of patients in hospitals are injured during the course of their care and that many of those injuries are life-threatening, or even fatal. The Office of the Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services found that one in seven Medicare patients are injured during hospital stays and that adverse events during the course of care contribute to the deaths of 180,000 patients every year."

Anecdotal information suggests medicare patients who have serious falls, due to falling out of bed, confusion, tripping and falling, breaking a brittle bone, is very likely to result in rapid decline in health.
Sending people home too soon after a procedure, or with poor follow up or medical devices inserted, will often result in having to be re admitted with infections, chest infections etc.
Not having enough front line staff to deal with care of wounds, infection, mobility, pressure sores, are a huge problem(that is down to money and getting rid of "medicare" only patients as fast as possible, or released due to insurance running out...
Of course, there is also the problem with people finding objects left inside them and wrong parts being removed or orperated on, ....




Lucylastic -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/31/2012 10:42:30 AM)

a strawman??




thompsonx -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/31/2012 10:47:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

a strawman??


Even a strawman needs an op and at least one other poster.




Moonhead -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/31/2012 10:48:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: papassion


I just looked up "medical error statistics." It said in ONE decade, 8 million deaths were attributed to medical errors. It said that is more than the ALL the casualties of ALL the wars the US has ever fought in! And that is just one decade. Seems to me, hospitals are way more deadly than guns! Lets focus our energy on improving hospitals!

I just read that Robert Heinlein is a better SF writer than Jack Vance or Alfred Bester.
That's bullshit as well.
There's an awful lot of crap on the internet...




Lucylastic -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/31/2012 10:52:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

a strawman??


Even a strawman needs an op and at least one other poster.


[:D][:D][:D][:D]




GotSteel -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/31/2012 11:00:21 AM)

The worst part is that imaginary threats work too. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2717572/miami-dade-issues-ruling-in-stand.html

You do need to be sane enough to come up with an imaginary threat though and it doesn't seem like the shooter in this case will be.




VideoAdminTheta -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/31/2012 11:13:03 AM)

Good Day to you all.

I've removed posts that were personal attacks, off topic and making another poster the topic and those that responded to or quoted either.

Thank you for the cooperation from so many of you and thank you in advance to those of you that will consider it. [;)]




Hillwilliam -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (7/31/2012 12:17:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

The worst part is that imaginary threats work too. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2717572/miami-dade-issues-ruling-in-stand.html

You do need to be sane enough to come up with an imaginary threat though and it doesn't seem like the shooter in this case will be.

1. A bag of car radios being swung at your head isnt exactly an imaginary threat.
2. There was no shooter in this case. He stabbed a thief while the guy was in the act of escaping with his property.




GotSteel -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (8/1/2012 5:27:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
The worst part is that imaginary threats work too. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2717572/miami-dade-issues-ruling-in-stand.html

You do need to be sane enough to come up with an imaginary threat though and it doesn't seem like the shooter in this case will be.

1. A bag of car radios being swung at your head isnt exactly an imaginary threat.
2. There was no shooter in this case. He stabbed a thief while the guy was in the act of escaping with his property.


1. I'm referring to the progression from knife->screw driver->bag until one worked.
2. It's an SYG case. Going back into his place to grab a knife but not a phone and then chasing the thief down and threatening him with a knife until he attacked is an example of the sort of escalation that some are warning against.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Man "protecting his home" shoots & kills door-to-door salesman (8/1/2012 5:40:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel
The worst part is that imaginary threats work too. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2717572/miami-dade-issues-ruling-in-stand.html

You do need to be sane enough to come up with an imaginary threat though and it doesn't seem like the shooter in this case will be.

1. A bag of car radios being swung at your head isnt exactly an imaginary threat.
2. There was no shooter in this case. He stabbed a thief while the guy was in the act of escaping with his property.


1. I'm referring to the progression from knife->screw driver->bag until one worked.
2. It's an SYG case. Going back into his place to grab a knife but not a phone and then chasing the thief down and threatening him with a knife until he attacked is an example of the sort of escalation that some are warning against.

I dont see where he went back into his place to grab a knife. It says he grabbed one. As for grabbing a phone in miami, it's an absolute fucking joke. I lived there 18 years. I once called 911 because a bullet came thru my front window. Response time? 45 minutes and the person that finally showed up was unarmed and wasn't even a cop.
I called 911 once because I saw guns pulled in traffic with descriptions and license numbers and their response was "What are we supposed to do about it?" He chased a thief. The thief swung 4-6# of metal at his head. We have a dead thief.




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