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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/4/2004 12:05:05 PM

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beth referenced those "Rules for Revolution" from a book she purchased from an antique shop she visited in Arkansas. There are some very, very different and somewhat paranoid perspectives in there.

That thing got published all over the place! And entered into the Congressional Record multiple times, when various members of congress were sent copies by constituents. Even now, you can find 239 references to it on Google, and in almost every case it has been posted as factual. I found about 6 pages, in any language, which identified it as an unban legend -- even though the person who coined the term "urban legend" included it in his book. It just won't die.

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If you're interested all send you the publisher and copy right infomation.

Thanks, but I think I'll pass. Sometimes I enjoy reading paranoid material, but I'm pretty picky when it comes to the research behind it, and I doubt that I'd be able to locate a copy anyway. And, should the mood come upon me, I've always got a pile of Cold War era American Mercury magazines in storage. The paranoia level in those is hard to beat.

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/4/2004 11:17:49 PM

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Is that satire too? If it is, it's pretty funny.

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/4/2004 11:20:57 PM

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You think a woman should feel good after an abortion? Even if she felt it was necessary, I would hope she would understand that she has ended a potential life. How would that make anyone feel good?
And saying a man wouldn't understand is just a cop out.

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/4/2004 11:23:48 PM

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sweet, I wonder who those people calling Bush a moron and evil and equal to Hitler? Are they conservatives?

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/4/2004 11:33:18 PM

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Bubble Boys Bubble girls live their life in vanilla swirls,garbage in garbage out voting for Bush is a vote for a louse, A country boy in an alcoholic dream,Became a President with a streak so Mean, no conscience here to direct his way like 3rd Reich trooper he will decieve and prey/pray, Civil rights and civil liberties are only for the wealthy dont you see,The others well,their not fit to proceed, End the programs of those with needs, all except of course BILLION DOLLARS Corporate greed's,Friends! take no bids, Blood is red, Oil is Black we see no conflict in Iraqi,We have Halliburton Mr Vice President Cheney surely you do agree,So for 4 more years and many more to come the policies of injustice has begun, Give a Big MidLand Texas Yippee YI YO KI YA For Georgie is here to stay I know you all feel safer with a Draft Dodger leading the Way, Nice Going,BubbleHeads ,,,Love and Peace BluesMate

You got to cut back on the booze I think. Actually, Bush wasn't a draft dodger. He served in The National Guard. Clinton was the draft dodger.

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/5/2004 12:42:36 AM

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Odd that you should say it wouldnt occur to me to GIVE money to keep clinics open. I do, do you? Not only do I give money, I invest time and waste my breath trying to get MORE help for the working poor. I assist with craft, bake sales, raffles, I work toward the goal of some meager health care for those who DID have health insurance at their min. wage jobs before the cost became too high and the choice of feeding their family or planning for a possible illness had to be made. Gee, I guess I don't talk from ignorance. I listen to the worries and problems that surround the families that were making it, barely before all the nice tax cuts for the high end income people and SCREWED the low income families. Another four years of a alcohol soaked brain running what should be a country bend on caring for its own not forcing its beliefs on another country. Spending millions to feed and house soldiers in a foreign country that just want to come home and care for their own families and needs. Yes, I support our troops, they are not the ones that sit on their asses safe and comfortable spouting unintelligent BS. Sundew

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/5/2004 6:20:37 AM

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Estring: Frankly, I never heard Bush being called all that and, again, it is because I live in west Florida which is very conservative. This is where I hear "damn liberals" all the time. I don't care for Bush myself but would never call the President of our country names.

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/5/2004 7:37:05 AM

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Isn't that due to the policies put in place by the Republicans in prior administarations, and the Democrats rode in on them. Just like the Democrats are blaming Bush for inadequate military forces when they are the ones who made the cuts under Clinton.

Actually, military cuts began under Bush Sr. The reason for the cuts were due to the end of the Cold War and that we no longer needed to have the enormous numbers of troops that we were fielding at that time. Bush Sr. and President Clinton spent roughly the same amounts of money developing military projects. President Clinton was responsible for the largest pay raise to the military in history at that time. (Recently surpassed by Bush Jr.)

Some programs have been introduced by one administration to have the credit taken by the following. This occurs on a fairly regular basis, unfortunately. Bush Jr. had the opportunity to do so when the Department of Homeland Security was suggested by the Clinton Adminisration, however the NSA scoffed at the idea recommended by Sandy Berger(SP?) and decided to run with her own policies. Well...hasn't the Bush administration taken credit for the idea of Homland Security?

This is a problem I see with both parties, but it is far more evident within the current administration. Bush's statements that he inherited a recession, the GOP blaming Clinton for 9/11, that 9/11 is responsible for the rise in unemployment, that Senator Kerry is responsible for the lack of funding and equipment to the troops, that liberals are responsible for the division in this country, etc etc yadda yadda. I have yet to see this administration take responsibility for their decisions. Yes. both parties tend to try and ride the coattails of the previous administration if things are going well and assign blame if things are going to hell in a handbasket, but this behavior seems to be the norm for the Bush administration.

I'm disappointed in the results of the election, especially in the knowledge that many people voted because of "Higher standards of morality". Well friends, we have a standard for morality that the Bush administration fails to recognize. That guide to morality is the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. All of our laws are based not in moral values, but in our rights to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. I have the right to live as I choose, as long as my rights do not infringe on the rights of someone else. If I steal,kill,rape, or in some way harm someone, I have broken the law because I violated their rights, not because I disobeyed God's will.

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/5/2004 8:20:51 AM

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I'm disappointed in the results of the election, especially in the knowledge that many people voted because of "Higher standards of morality".

Thorns,
It is my believe that the "higher standard of morality" argument is a rationalization by the losing party. I hope they don't really believe this, because then there truly is no hope.

A viable Democratic candidate would have won. I was prepared to vote for Dean. His radical approach would have made a difference. Kerry was a liberal Republican in my opinion. If you read the Time Magazine inside the campaign article you'll see that his campaign management was poor at best. He either was too afraid to express his convictions or unsure of them. Instead he looked to acquire niche voters from the disenfranchised. There is no majority coalition among those groups.
Now the Democrats are putting up Hillary Clinton as a potential candidate for 2008. Out of the gate ANY Republican candidate starts the campaign with 240 of the needed 270 electoral votes. Not because of her sex but because of what she represents to the voters of the 'red Republican' states.

More and more the Democrats are seen as rich social engineers from the east coast. To be successful they must break that image. I truly hope they do, but when their 'front people' are Michael Moore, Brad Pitt, P. Diddy, Stephen Baldwin, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda and the rest of the Hollywood elite, they alienate people. I wonder how many votes Bush received from people who were glad to hear that this group would be moving to Canada if Bush won. I imagine their reaction was; "Pull up the bus and we'll pay for the charter!" Ironically these people are not representative of the constituency that they claim to support. It's easy to want to tax the rich when you are at the $10+ Million asset level. But when they define rich as making $125,000 as Kerry did - they are out of touch. Tell a 2 working parent household in urban NY, NJ, MA or CA and many other states that they are rich making that much and they'll be surprised.

Since it was mentioned on another post, it should be know that the great open liberal and free speech Canada does NOT permit Howard Stern to broadcast in their country. All broadcasts, TV & radio, is controlled by the government. More or less freedom?

I did some business with Howard in NYC. He is a great businessman. He has $250,000,000 reasons for going to satellite radio. All the other reasons are fluff. I listen daily to him and will be buying into Sirius when he's on it. But it's a business decision. He's been complaining about the FCC under EVERY administration

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/5/2004 8:47:28 AM

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surround the families that were making it, barely before all the nice tax cuts for the high end income people and SCREWED the low income families.

How exactly did the tax cuts screw low income families? The tax cuts are for people that actually pay taxes. Most low income families don't pay taxes. And do you think it's a good idea to have a family if you are only making minimum wage in the first place? Sounds like bad life choices to me. And of course we taxpayers pick up the tab.
The fact that you donate to causes you admire is great. If the government quit taking so much of OUR money, many more could do the same.

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/5/2004 8:53:34 AM

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That guide to morality is the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. All of our laws are based not in moral values, but in our rights to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. I have the right to live as I choose, as long as my rights do not infringe on the rights of someone else. If I steal,kill,rape, or in some way harm someone, I have broken the law because I violated their rights, not because I disobeyed God's will.

Where do you think those ideas came from? The Founding Fathers put together a constitution that is very moral. A document that was based on the Judeo-Christian values that most of them believed in.

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/5/2004 8:58:38 AM

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/5/2004 11:03:24 AM

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That guide to morality is the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. All of our laws are based not in moral values, but in our rights to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. I have the right to live as I choose, as long as my rights do not infringe on the rights of someone else. If I steal,kill,rape, or in some way harm someone, I have broken the law because I violated their rights, not because I disobeyed God's will.

Where do you think those ideas came from? The Founding Fathers put together a constitution that is very moral. A document that was based on the Judeo-Christian values that most of them believed in.

Very true, EString. The values that the Founding Fathers had were based in Christianity and their decisions are rooted in their belief system. But, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights can apply to all faiths. It is written in a very neutral form, as I believe it was intended to be written. Most religions have a standard Code of Conduct that is basically "The Golden Rule" of treating others as you would like to be treated. The basic civil rights provided to Americans follows the same principle. It was not designed so that one religious group could influence legislation to suit their particular desires.

Abortion, in my mind , is an individual moral decision. It should not be left up to the collective to determine what is morally correct for the individual.

To Merc, I must say that my comment regarding the "..need for higher standard of morality..." was based on information gleaned from the exit polls by Bush voters as to why they voted for President Bush. I didn't like Kerry either and was also disappointed that Howard Dean didn't win the Primary. For me, it boiled down to the lesser of two evils, as it did for many voters. In regards to Hilary running in 08, I would rather see her run along side someone as VP first.

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/5/2004 11:58:33 AM

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I must say that my comment regarding the "..need for higher standard of morality..." was based on information gleaned from the exit polls by Bush voters as to why they voted for President Bush. I didn't like Kerry either and was also disappointed that Howard Dean didn't win the Primary. For me, it boiled down to the lesser of two evils, as it did for many voters. In regards to Hilary running in 08, I would rather see her run along side someone as VP first.

Thorns -
I also was very disturbed when the morality issue was identified as a reason for Kerry's defeat. Even though the candidate I voted for won (MY lessor of 2 evils) I believed that if morality really was the issue more was lost for our lifestyle. As a result I did a bit more research and web surfing. Yes, morality was the #1 issue sited by voters, but the exact quote was this. "CNN's analysis of the exit data showed that morality was cited as the number one concern by 22 percent of voters."

Twenty-two percent is not a majority or even close to it. Consider that of that number 80% voted for Bush and "morality" only accounted for less then 18% of Bush's votes. That's not the cause for the lose. If the Democrats site this and try to re-create themselves to go after these votes they will lose more voters then can ever gain.

The Dems made some fundamental mistakes. Why put a potentially volatile issue like gay marriage on the ballot when you were trying to elect a president? That single issue alone may have cost Kerry the election. As much as I support gay marriage, I think I would have fought that battle AFTER changing the government. And I wouldn't have established it by decree, like the mayor of SF. That scared the hell out of the heartland. I would have educated and enlightened the voters by pointing out that this was, in its basic form, a moral positive. The quick action to put it on the ballot in 10 states mobilized and created a one-issue voter.

I think Hilliary is an intelligent an potentially good candidate. Her baggage and the perception that she is just another 'radical liberal socialist' will be a substantial hurdle even if she is in second position on the 2008 ticket. Interestingly enough her votes in the Senate are not as liberal as you would think. She is very much like her husband and MUCH MUCH smarter. She votes conservative and talks liberal. She not only voted for the Iraq war, but was one of the sponsors of the war funding initiative. She is also the #1 rated senator for bringing federal tax money back to the state she represents.

Nationally the Democrats may go the way of the Bull-moose party if they maintain status quo. They need a preemptive candidate. They can't win by saying yes to special lifestyle issue people such as the gays or generating single issue voters of any type. By definition, gays, BDSM'ers, blacks, and those on the public dole are MINORITIES. Not only that, but they are minorities who have adversarial MAJORITIES. Every vote they gain from a published position to any of these groups gets more fat asses out of the churches to mobilize against them. That's why I'm hoping they don't buy into the 'morality' excuse.

Look to the Libertarians for the example of pragmatic government. Unfortunately for the time being they are pragmatically invisible because they don't have $3 Billion to run a national presidential campaign as each of the two parties spent on this election.

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/5/2004 3:32:07 PM

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It was not designed so that one religious group could influence legislation to suit their particular desires.

I couldn't agree with you more Thorns. But why is it when Clinton or Kerry appear at Black churches and the ministers in these churches actively campaign for these men, they are not accused of the same things?

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/5/2004 5:33:25 PM

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EString,

They should be accused of the same things. Just as I don't want religion influencing my politics, I don't want politics influencing my religion.

The primary difference I can see between Kerry and Bush in regards to religion is (And Kerry mentioned this is the debates) that Kerry has the ability to separate his individual values from collective legislation. Bush has displayed that he is in many ways unable to maintain that separation.

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RE: Damn Liberals! - 11/10/2004 1:56:32 PM

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you mean like how (some) people automatically think you are a bible thumping, woman/black/minority hating, money grubbing, dont care about the planet we live on, union busting, warmongering, disciminating person if you identify as a conservative?

so true Estring.

quotes, some of these are quite funny, and so very true! lol:

liberal is a man with both feet planted firmly in the air. - Winston Churchill

You don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. - Winston Churchill

Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains. - Winston Churchill

"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers We are the
president."
-- Hillary Clinton.

Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and cutting hair.
-- George Burns

When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it.
-- Clarence Darrow

Based on what you know about him in history books, what do you think Abraham Lincoln would be doing if he were alive today?
1) Writing his memoirs of the Civil War.
2) Advising the President.
3) Desperately clawing at the inside of his coffin.
-- David Letterman

As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy.
-- Abraham Lincoln

Jimmy Carter as President is like Truman Capote marrying Dolly Parton. The job is just too big for him.
-- Rich Little

The man with the best job in the country is the Vice President. All he has to do is get up every morning and say, "How's the President?"
-- Will Rogers

America's one of the finest countries anyone ever stole.
-- Bobcat Goldthwait

The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.
-- General George Patton

A man's feet should be planted in his country, but his eyes should survey the world.
-- George Santayana

Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born.
Ronald Reagan
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
Ronald Reagan

How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
Ronald Reagan

I know in my heart that man is good.
That what is right will always eventually triumph.
And there's purpose and worth to each and every life.
Ronald Reagan

To sit back hoping that someday, someway, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last--but eat you he will.
Ronald Reagan

Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Ronald Reagan

We've heard a great deal about Republican "fat cats," and how the Republicans are the party of big contributions. I've never been able to understand why a Republican contributor is a "fat cat" and a Democratic contributor of the same amount of money is a "public-spirited philanthropist."
-- Ronald Reagan

"Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, but the Democrats believe every day is April 15."
--Ronald Reagan

"We will bring the terrorists to justice; or we will bring justice to the terrorists. Either way, justice will be done."
-- George W. Bush

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