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Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/30/2012 9:05:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		So willard praised the health system in Israel............does he know they have a mandate that everyone must purchase insurance in Isreal???????


“Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the G.D.P. in Israel? Eight percent,” he said. “You spend eight percent of G.D.P. on health care. You’re a pretty healthy nation. We spend 18 percent of our G.D.P. on health care, 10 percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, compare that with the size of our military — our military which is 4 percent, 4 percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of G.D.P. We have to find ways — not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to fund and manage our health care costs.”

Israel spends less on health care because of a universal health system that requires everyone to have insurance. Every Israeli citizen has the obligation to purchase health care services through one of the country’s four HMOs since government officials approved the National Health Insurance Law in 1995.


http://forward.com/articles/158550/israels-health-care-outpaces-us/?p=all#ixzz226wrKDeE




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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/30/2012 11:01:11 AM   
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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/30/2012 4:21:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Romney needs to read this. It will show him how a socialised health care plan can work.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/mitt-romney-israel-health-care.php

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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/30/2012 4:41:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Romney vowed to repeal Obamacare but I thought his own voting record suggested that he supports some form of socialised health care anyway?

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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/30/2012 4:45:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dont know about that Anax, but the Israeli system he is praising certainly has a lot of government checks and regulations making things happen. Maybe Mitts wants a bigger government, but only if he is elected. 

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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/30/2012 5:48:44 PM   
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So willard praised the health system in Israel............does he know they have a mandate that everyone must purchase insurance in Isreal???????


“Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the G.D.P. in Israel? Eight percent,” he said. “You spend eight percent of G.D.P. on health care. You’re a pretty healthy nation. We spend 18 percent of our G.D.P. on health care, 10 percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, compare that with the size of our military — our military which is 4 percent, 4 percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of G.D.P. We have to find ways — not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to fund and manage our health care costs.”

Israel spends less on health care because of a universal health system that requires everyone to have insurance. Every Israeli citizen has the obligation to purchase health care services through one of the country’s four HMOs since government officials approved the National Health Insurance Law in 1995.


http://forward.com/articles/158550/israels-health-care-outpaces-us/?p=all#ixzz226wrKDeE





There's vastly more to that 8% figure than meets the eye.

They mandate PE (we stopped doing that decades ago), meaning, their people are healthier.

Ever seen a fat Israeli?

(Neither have I).

Healthier people need less health care, ergo....their vastly smaller %.

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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/30/2012 7:42:55 PM   
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They mandate PE (we stopped doing that decades ago)


Ah, no, we didn't.

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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/30/2012 7:45:00 PM   
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Ever seen a fat Israeli?

(Neither have I).



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/20/miss-large-israel-beauty-pageant-for-fat-and-beautiful-women-weighing-over-176lbs-pictures_n_1612013.html

Now ya have.

You're welcome


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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/30/2012 7:54:27 PM   
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"Mitt Romney seems to be laboring under the impression that whatever he says in a foreign country will—like a weekend in Las Vegas—somehow stay in that foreign country.

Either that or he figures nobody back home is paying any attention."


Whiplash Mitt......that`s a good one.


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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/30/2012 9:52:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's no accident that Romney chose Israel as the location for his latest about face. Some Americans, mostly those on the Right, seem to under the impression that Israel can do no wrong, if their inane defence of Israeli policies and activities is anything to go by. They let the Israelis get away with murder literally and metaphorically.

So poor Mittens is in a tough spot - if he approves of the Israeli health system, he is implicitly criticising his own position on US healthcare, if he disapproves he's being anti-Semitic (by the insane standards used by the Zionist lobby, where any criticism of Israel is seen as de facto proof of anti-Semitism). So. poor Mittens dare not criticise anything Israeli lest his already disaster prone trip becomes a total debacle. Paradoxically enough if the US adopted the Israeli system, the savings might help pay for all the $, political capital and prestige squandered on its "ungrateful ally"(to quote ex US Defence Sec. Gates)?

Thus, it's no accident that Mittens humiliated himself by revealing his hypocrisy and double standards. He's far from alone in his humiliation. Isn't it time to end the constant craven abject postures of US leaders towards this rogue State?

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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/31/2012 8:23:59 PM   
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They mandate PE (we stopped doing that decades ago)


Ah, no, we didn't.


Well, I've read about a bunch of schools that cut it for lack of funding....maybe not all.

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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/31/2012 8:25:06 PM   
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Ever seen a fat Israeli?

(Neither have I).



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/20/miss-large-israel-beauty-pageant-for-fat-and-beautiful-women-weighing-over-176lbs-pictures_n_1612013.html

Now ya have.

You're welcome




Hahahahahaha....I sit corrected :)

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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/31/2012 9:12:31 PM   
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So long as the voters approved.

The majority here never wanted Obamacare and today the majority wants it repealed. Obama is so arrogant he doesnt care about the will of the electorate though Romney is more humble and is willing to be more of a public servant than dictator

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Romney vowed to repeal Obamacare but I thought his own voting record suggested that he supports some form of socialised health care anyway?



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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/31/2012 9:29:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ummmm American voters did approve the ACA......it was in all the papers and news shows at the time......


Recently.....the supreme court of the US confirmed the ACA legal and constitutional......


It was in all the papers and on the news shows......

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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 7/31/2012 9:34:03 PM   
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So long as the voters approved.

The majority here never wanted Obamacare and today the majority wants it repealed. Obama is so arrogant he doesnt care about the will of the electorate though Romney is more humble and is willing to be more of a public servant than dictator

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Romney vowed to repeal Obamacare but I thought his own voting record suggested that he supports some form of socialised health care anyway?








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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 8/1/2012 5:16:18 AM   
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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 8/1/2012 5:41:06 AM   
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So long as the voters approved.

The majority here never wanted Obamacare and today the majority wants it repealed. Obama is so arrogant he doesnt care about the will of the electorate though Romney is more humble and is willing to be more of a public servant than dictator

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Romney vowed to repeal Obamacare but I thought his own voting record suggested that he supports some form of socialised health care anyway?


Personally if I was in the US I would favour some decent form of universal health care. However, in Ireland (with the HSE) and the UK (the NHS) things have been a fucking mess for decades and very expensive ones at that. These things are hard to get right, and not made any easier without broad political support, which Obama wasn't able to court effectively.



BTW Tazzy, I thought the public stance on Obamacare was more mixed than the poll you cite: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/26/12419577-nbcwsj-poll-more-would-be-pleased-if-health-law-ruled-unconstitutional?lite

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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 8/1/2012 6:21:53 AM   
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The majority here never wanted Obamacare and today the majority wants it repealed


Obama campaigned on a promise to implement health care reform to make it more accessible to more Americans. He won the election and therefore has, by any measure, a mandate to implement that promise, given to him by the majority of America's voters at the last election.

It's called democracy.

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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 8/1/2012 4:59:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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So long as the voters approved.

The majority here never wanted Obamacare and today the majority wants it repealed. Obama is so arrogant he doesnt care about the will of the electorate though Romney is more humble and is willing to be more of a public servant than dictator

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

Romney vowed to repeal Obamacare but I thought his own voting record suggested that he supports some form of socialised health care anyway?









And this surprises you because?

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RE: Willard praises Israel's healthcare - 8/1/2012 6:02:44 PM   
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The majority here never wanted Obamacare and today the majority wants it repealed


Obama campaigned on a promise to implement health care reform to make it more accessible to more Americans. He won the election and therefore has, by any measure, a mandate to implement that promise, given to him by the majority of America's voters at the last election.

It's called democracy.



Liz meant the majority of the lunatic fringe.....

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