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RE: Lacking a Self - 8/26/2012 9:12:12 AM   
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Yup. I was abused for most my life, from baby till 19. Sexually, emotionally, verbally, and physically. It was all there at one point or another. There's large parts of me that are emotionally stunted or just plain fucked up. Maybe even beyond repair. Its a huge part of why I am an inner child, and why I still have needs and enjoyments typical of a baby. I also don't care enough to do certain things for myself, but if I had a partner who demanded it, I would for them if the enforced it. Once they stop enforcing it I stop. Cuz I feel if its not going to be important to them why should it be important to me. I just don't have any pride or self esteem in myself my looks or my surroundings, and yes I have been to therapy for many years on and off and not it has not helped, and no I do not know how to fix these things.


Yes sometimes it causes depression for me.
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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

I had been pondering asking the following questions for several days, but have been very hesitant.

Is there anyone who feels single or multiple parts of themselves (mentally, emotionally and/or socially) did not develop as they should have? Does anyone feel as though nearly their entire SELF is absent, and they only have a life in response to other people.

I have only acquired the courage to ask this after seeing two of LadyHibiscus' posts on the ECT thread, lines from which follow:

I create my reason for living based entirely on other people. I wish I could focus on doing things for myself, but it's really not there, and might never be.

Being other-centered means that I lived a lot of my life to make other people happy, and while that was not a bad thing, it's my turn now.


Of any who feel this may be the case for them, do you find there may be a correlation between it and depression?

For those feeling/believing they are in this way, to whatever degree, have you any clue why it is you are so? Have you managed to change or improve upon this? If so, how?


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RE: Lacking a Self - 8/26/2012 9:31:33 AM   
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I would like to believe you are correct. On occasion, when I take the time to contemplate it though........I have to wonder "Maybe I am just really REALLY fucked up!"


I think that those of us who think we are severely fucked up are more sane than the ones who think they are "normal".

I have always felt like a lot of shit in me doesn't fire off of all cylinders. Just because of the stuff I did when I was a teen that no one else I know did.

I wonder why I am not still married to the person I fell in love with at 17, and all that stuff that we are led to believe is normal.

But, hitchhiking all over, learning to drive a truck so I only had to fuck the ones I wanted to fuck, Army, sex drugs and rock n roll all brought me to where I am. I seriously think that being in a bad marriage destroyed part of my self.

After you are told your opinions don't mean anything except that you are crazy, ya begin to believe it.

It has taken me 10 years single to be over most of the negativity in my head.

I also went to the porch, so, if this makes no sense at all, it aint my fault!


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RE: Lacking a Self - 8/26/2012 11:20:27 AM   
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I used to have a lack of self, but that is not a problem for me anymore. I am going to answer these questions with how I was until five years ago, and then talk about who I have been for the past 4 years, and how I got there.

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Of any who feel this may be the case for them, do you find there may be a correlation between it and depression?


For me it was a history of clinical depression and a history of trauma. I dealt with severe clinical depression from age 15 (year diagnosed) until I was 25. I also had a diagnosis history of post traumatic stress disorder heavy with dissociative traits. I did not have any memory of my life before I was 10 until I was 17, and what I do remember feels foreign and are either reconstructive narrative through flashbacks and family, or are vivid and regained through rexperience. I was completely screwed for years, and had an application for social security income right next to my FAFSA and grad school application.

For years I could only be with permission. I would feel intense shame exhibiting personality traits, interests or thoughts of mine unless I had consent to from other people. I wasn't quite the selfless type. However, I spent all my time on other people, or figuring out how to destroy myself.

I still did things for myself, but it was secretive or shameful unless other people enjoyed it or got something from it. If on just one or two occasions if I tried to be funny and people didn't laugh, I would stop trying to be funny altogether.

If I participated in a group, I likely was a major volunteer in it as well. I felt like I had to give vast amounts of time in order to earn my place.

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For those feeling/believing they are in this way, to whatever degree, have you any clue why it is you are so?


My life experiences and history of depression left me with no positive sense of self. I was worthless, and the best I could hope for was that if I gave enough I would not be in the way. I did not view myself as having many positive traits, and I did not view myself as having an inherit value, only value was what I could give.

Also, depression made most things in life impossible to enjoy. So there was little impetus for me to seek out my own joy.

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Have you managed to change or improve upon this? If so, how?


I like to think I have completely reversed it!

I began to realize that I was only as powerless as I allowed myself to be. Essentially the lightbuib sparked on that everything I thought about myself, everything I felt about myself, and everything I did in my life was a choice.

I realized I was as strong as I wanted to needed to be.

I realized that by virtue of surviving my demons I was already stronger than them.

That my terror, my fear, my sense of self worth, my shame were all in essence optical illusions, fun house mirrors, and ghost stories to keep me in my place. None of that shit was real, or at least it wasn't anymore. It might still feel real, but I could withstand that so long as I believed that I could.

That last point is very important because making healthier decisions about myself unleashed all my demons. I dealt with crippling flashbacks, incredible guilt, and to get where I needed to be I had to upend everything in my life. I left my marriage, left two jobs, left two organizations I had been involved with for over 3 years, fired tons of friends, learned to support myself, and live for myself. I also fired all my mental health professionals. I stopped listening to advice and caring about other people's opinions.

In all that I also had to learn to survive my own tears. I had to learn to survive the torrent of emotions that had been held at bay for years. I had to learn that these same feelings that had caused me so much pain, were are the source of my essence and desire.

I'll close out with the four paragraphs I wrote that changed my entire life. They are from an essay I wrote about processing my guilt from my divorce.

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Absolution - a formal release from guilt

That's the formal definition, I know I just looked it up, and I've got to say that I agree with it. The question is who is going to provide me that formal release.

No one person can do it, no one will ever know me well enough, human communication is so incredibly flawed. No group of people can collectively do it either. It can't be found in an object. It can't be gained through faith. Really the only thing that I could find that could ever possibly provide me with that kind of absolution was me.

Me, who has such a deep and painful history with guilt. I, who give myself the blame for everything. Who, even feels guilty about the selfishness of guilt itself. Guilt which has reached such epic proportions that it has split my mind, split my life, in the vain hope of managing its own growth.

Really the only thing I have to feel guilty for, is my feelings of guilt. That's the only thing that comes even close to being solely my blame. Which really does make it my mess to clean up, mine and solely mine.


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RE: Lacking a Self - 8/26/2012 1:22:10 PM   
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I create my reason for living based entirely on other people. I wish I could focus on doing things for myself, but it's really not there, and might never be.

Girl... you are preaching to the choir here! lol I don't know how you were raised but seriously look into how you were rewarded by your actions, good and bad. For me bad or looking only to my own wants meant I was non existant, not a good place to be at all. Once I looked over my life training which begins at a young age, I was able to develop SOME selfishness about my own needs. I still cannot turn it off once I submit, but it at least kept me from giving all to everyone.



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Of any who feel this may be the case for them, do you find there may be a correlation between it and depression?

Oddly... I am rarely depressed. I get annoyed, angry, and yes, SAD.. unbelievably sad and it can last, BUT, it doesn't seem to be depression as defined by most. I am able to refocus and take my mind off things for a time, and think about things that made me joyously happy and I can smile again. When I was very much younger I did get depressed, that looking longingly at the cliff overlook type of depressed, and I even attempted suicide a few times, or took risks meant to be my exit point. And then... I had a strange encounter with what I can only assume was supernatural. I have always believed in God. After that incident, I knew I believed in angels. It was after that, that I never tried to take the easy way out again. Sure I still get sad, but its not constant, EVEN when fresh. It ebbs and flows and I can live with that.




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RE: Lacking a Self - 8/26/2012 2:08:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

I create my reason for living based entirely on other people. I wish I could focus on doing things for myself, but it's really not there, and might never be.


Girl... you are preaching to the choir here! lol I don't know how you were raised but seriously look into how you were rewarded by your actions, good and bad. For me bad or looking only to my own wants meant I was non existant, not a good place to be at all. Once I looked over my life training which begins at a young age, I was able to develop SOME selfishness about my own needs. I still cannot turn it off once I submit, but it at least kept me from giving all to everyone.



Misskys, the quote I've colored actually belonged to another, and not myself. I get what you mean, though.

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RE: Lacking a Self - 8/26/2012 2:27:40 PM   
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Anhedonia- the inability to experience pleasure from activities usually found enjoyable.

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhedonia

Pam



That word entered my life a few months back when I received a copy of my psychological review (mandatory step before my SRS). I never knew what it was or that I had it but once a face has been put to the name; per say, I recognize it in my life now. I see parts of me that should enjoy games or hobbies but while I partake in those activities I come away from them empty.

Fortunately I have my first (of many I'm sure) counseling appointments this Thursday so maybe I'll improve ^^

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RE: Lacking a Self - 8/26/2012 2:56:33 PM   
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Fortunately I have my first (of many I'm sure) counseling appointments this Thursday so maybe I'll improve ^^


Good luck.

Last winter I thought I was becoming schizophrenic. Apparently I'm not, or at least that's what my counselor thinks. I've been seeing her since February. Although she could be wrong. She's not a medical doctor, although I'll be seeing a medical doctor soon.

The people at Merced Mental Health said it's just anxiety. I wonder if they know what they're talking about. Sometimes I wonder if there really is anything wrong with me, or if I just really like feeling sorry for myself. Other times I'm sure that there must be something wrong with me. So far, counseling hasn't done much more than convince me that I'm not insane. Which is reassuring, but still doesn't really help me with my problems.

Anyway, like I said, good luck.

Pam




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RE: Lacking a Self - 8/26/2012 3:02:36 PM   
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I probably can.

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RE: Lacking a Self - 8/26/2012 3:13:12 PM   
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Naw, I think I better try and overcome them myself, if I can.

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RE: Lacking a Self - 8/26/2012 4:46:20 PM   
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A big thanks to you, Aswad, for furnishing your last post.


I second this. I wish I had not lost track of this thread several weeks ago.

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