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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/1/2012 8:21:25 AM   
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Erm just to share with you all what i'm thinking of the book so far.

*droolsssssssssssss *

thanks.


Does it count that Baen said that it was no good?

They are sci-fi and published John OH GOD NO Ringo's series.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/1/2012 9:07:32 AM   
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I've renamed it 50 shades of shite.

Pile of stinking, rancid worm vomit.

Christian Grey needs to be stabbed through the eye with a rusty pencil and Anastasia Steele should be tied to a rock at low tide and left to drown slowly, but thoroughly.

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I used to take my lunch break with our book reviewer some years ago, he used to say "Most people have a book in them and that's where they should keep it" - after having read 50 shades of bad writing, I fully understand and appreciate his comment

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/1/2012 9:21:07 AM   
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Well, i'll know now what to do when i enjoy a book of fiction about bdsm.... keep it to myself or i'll be shredded to tears by the forum of collarme!!!


Probably all of us missed that you joined yesterday, and so you haven't seen the numerous threads on this topic. Why don't you head over to Introductions so we can greet you properly?

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/1/2012 5:44:09 PM   
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Kalikshama, i did introduced myself in the Introductions section. * Hello, new comer here from Montreal* : search again.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/1/2012 6:41:02 PM   
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@ Delilya, it seems like a good novel. Thank you i will look into it : )

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/1/2012 10:46:49 PM   
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If people do not want to hear about the book then here is a crazy idea, go with me on this ok, right when you see a thread called 50 shades of grey how about you don't read it?


I feel the need to come onto every new thread and give a PSA:



Not sure why it was quoted to me though.

Again people read it differently, I was mildly annoyed by the idea that they were all a little messed up, but then Ana wanked the kink as much as anything, she craved it. The book has encouraged people in this country at any rate to talk about BDSM in a new way, not as a dirty secret but a valid fantasy. Sure the book is being mocked from here to sunday, but the practice is not, seriously I think its frigging awesome.



Maybe in your world but where I am and the women I know who have read the book, do not want to talk about bdsm and there is a negative vibe from them reading the book. Those I know who have read it either said it was really bad writing or they were shocked by the bdsm and saying that the characters were abused and they don't want it anywhere near their libraries or anywhere else because it's too far out there and it's just smut.

Yeah there are a few women I know who found it hot and fun but they're also the same women who get turned on Johnny Depp in the Pirates movies and like to talk about the new Harlequin romance to hit the shelves.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/1/2012 11:08:26 PM   
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I just want to thank whoever put this thread in the right section, whether that be the OP or the Mod that was smart enough to move it here. That's all.



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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/2/2012 7:09:42 AM   
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*SPOILER* at the end of the first book (there are three) she walks out after the Dom character gives her a very hard spanking. On her bottom. With his hand. No paddle, no blood drawn, just a fucking spanking that left her bottom sore. Oh - and she had the option of safewording. Instead she cries and runs away. Maybe I'm really out there, but it didn't get anywhere close to kinky for me.


I'm reading the original - Master of the Universe - which is 85% similar, but not identical. Mostly names have changed.

In the scene you describe in MOTU, he used a belt, not his hand.

Beforehand, she says, "Show me how much it can hurt...Punish me. I want to know how bad it can get."

...He says, "I'll show you how bad it can be...and you can make your own mind up."

After he does, she realized that he's been going easy on her and "he has needs which I can't fulfill...I don't want him to hit me like that again...ever....he won't want to be with me if I can't give him this."

Did this scene get completely rewritten in 50 Shades?

I once received a caning like this - no warmup - never scened with the guy again, and avoided canes for years.



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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/2/2012 5:35:49 PM   
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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/3/2012 1:47:38 AM   
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Maybe in your world but where I am and the women I know who have read the book, do not want to talk about bdsm and there is a negative vibe from them reading the book. Those I know who have read it either said it was really bad writing or they were shocked by the bdsm and saying that the characters were abused and they don't want it anywhere near their libraries or anywhere else because it's too far out there and it's just smut.

Yeah there are a few women I know who found it hot and fun but they're also the same women who get turned on Johnny Depp in the Pirates movies and like to talk about the new Harlequin romance to hit the shelves.


Well we do live in the same world, I do think James was caught between a rock and a hard place because most of the comments I have read on boards and have heard from friends etc is that the BDSM was too tame, so clearly she couldn't win in that regard.

Mind you I get turned on by Johnny Depp dressed as a Pirate (have no idea what Harlequin romance is) but certainly had one or two moments when reading 50 shades, as unpopular as that is and as pathetic as it makes me. Its all personal opinion isnt it.


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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/5/2012 3:37:20 AM   
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I bought this book and got 50% through it before sending it up to the cloud. It's some of the worst writing I have ever experienced. So much lip-biting and blushing, unbelievable. But what should we expect from a crappy piece of Twilight fan fic?

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/5/2012 11:29:16 AM   
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Hehehe-one of the senior ladies at work just finished reading the trilogy. Now she's going around guessing whether the other employees are deviant or nilla....and she tagged me nilla.
I laughed so hard...


Not surprised.

My coworkers and clients think I am soooo mundane. Co-workers who have known me for awhile know there is some kinda edge there, but it makes their brain hurt to think about it. For the longest time they thought I didn't drink alcohol. It's so hilarious. They know I'm bi, my partner's career is body modification, and that I curse a lot. Yet, somehow they get this idea that I'm in bed by 9pm. All the girls freak when I'm wearing eye shadow (which I had to put on because of the night before). All by design muhahaha. I'm nerdier than Clark Kent.


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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/5/2012 1:15:31 PM   
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I've only read Masters of the Universe, and only to the point which I think is the end of the first book - where she leaves him in horror after the spanking.

I just can't build up the strong feelings on this, either way. It didn't excite me - they were lightweights even by my standards, and my standards are tame, and the angst was a bit too much like twilight for me. I'm more surprised than anything by the way it's caught people's imaginations - it's not so different from the romance novels my grandma had stashed all over the house. I think Twilight itself has more damaging messages and is aimed at a more delicate age group.

My mum was recently given this book by a friend. She told me she thought it was really silly. 'He wants to be all dark and dominating and buy her lots of presents.' Her review 'maybe it would be good if I was 18 and had never heard of any kinky stuff'. Go mum.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/5/2012 1:24:33 PM   
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If people do not want to hear about the book then here is a crazy idea, go with me on this ok, right when you see a thread called 50 shades of grey how about you don't read it? I know it is a bit out there I get that but seriously give it a shot yeah?

OP, I finished the last book yesterday morning, I completely see the appeal and it does what it says on the tin. I could rip into its flaws but everyone else has done that. I like to be a rebel, you know go against the grain of popular consensus a bit like 90% of the people on these sites who say how crap it is even though they haven't read them. Its not a shock though really, people hate success more than anything else, the same comments came after the popularity of Twilight and The Da Vinci Code.

The book is a middle aged womans fantasy, hence the plot is fantastical. It was fanfiction written because she loved to write, it was published by a small print on demand company and it took off. Most people can get their work published with companies like that so the idea that these are books that shouldn't be out there is a bit strange, one of the best things about the prolifiration on e-books and the web is that all sorts of books can get into the public domain, we get more choice.

Its a book that taps into a clear female fantasy, the idea of this beautiful, strong and rich man who everyone wants but he goes for the clumsy mousy bookworm, only she captures his heart and makes him change his isolated ways. Seriously its age old and people still love it. This was not a woman writing as the font of all BDSM knowledge, she didn't know it was going to be popular she didn't have a responsibility in that regard, its fiction, a story. Most people read fiction for what it is, and with this one they may well read and then buy some handcuffs once they have done.

About the intensity of Kink I just noticed mentioned above, everyone has different tolerences of kink. It seems as though because it is in a book people suddenly feel they can belittle that. I ask you to remember again, middle aged woman writing HER fantasy. She doesn't claim its a hardcore book with page after page of edgeplay, its a romance which involves some bondage and a little bit of spanking. There are kinky bits, but its about the exploration of her sexuality more than 'right how many fists can we get in her'

It is very easy to attack someone without adding anything of real value to the world, if people do not want to read the book but have time to wander around saying how crap it is, why not use that time, write somethine better, go on I dare you.


Thanks for that. I think it is absolutely ludicrous how many people are freaking out over this book and putting it down. I have read hundreds of books in my life and guess what? If something is not well written I actually did not die, get ill, have my mind rot, nor was my life adversely affected a millisecond as much as most of those putting the trilogy down.

I am astute enough and amused enough to know good writing from bad and above all, I know that my taste is not everyone's taste, yet I don't try to tell people what to read and not read. I like to recommend good books to my friends and this book is having it's 15 minutes of fame.

So get over it.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/5/2012 1:34:08 PM   
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yeah well.....i've finished the first book and i'm wishing i hadnt started the thread in the first place. The book had started out good enough and was full of promises of good moments to have. annnnnd....not.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/5/2012 1:38:13 PM   
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yeah well.....i've finished the first book and i'm wishing i hadnt started the thread in the first place. The book had started out good enough and was full of promises of good moments to have. annnnnd....not.



I'm curious, you didn't like it in the end then?

I haven't read it, most likely won't, as I'm not big into romance or erotica.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/5/2012 1:41:21 PM   
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I think if you accept it as bad harlequin romance boddice-ripper meets bad bdsm erotica then you will be able to get many laughs from it.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/5/2012 1:55:41 PM   
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In my opinion, it was only a surface only kind of erotica writing. The writer wanted to gets her rocks off in her fantasy. There were no deep introspection from Ana about her love for someone controlling her (and i would like to see, as she was questionning herself, maybe some slight responses into her psyche as well). I love getting to know characters and their insights in a book and it was only on the surface. That was frustrating. I like having answers to the questions that arises during a reading.

I saw Christian as unsure of himself emotionnaly (was it because of the uncertainty of Ana herself? i dont know )and as i reader, i was unsure of the plot (and where the writer wanted to guide me through the story).

I like stories to have a closure and if there is not, i love to question to myself the whys and the hows of the not closure thing. Sometimes it's part of what the writer is planning for the reader to feel. Maybe it was because it's a trilogy, i'm not sure if i'm going to keep going, maybe for the sake of curiosity, but i'll definately be more wary of the enjoying part of it.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/5/2012 1:59:13 PM   
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Can anybody see any earthly reason why it was written as a trilogy in the first place?
It's not like there's three volumes' worth of plot or character development on display, after all.

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RE: 50 shades of grey - 8/5/2012 2:19:28 PM   
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Can anybody see any earthly reason why it was written as a trilogy in the first place?
It's not like there's three volumes' worth of plot or character development on display, after all.


But there was 3 volumes of poorly written kinky sex!

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